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Just a lighthearted comment................RUN HARLEY FLAT TRACKERS ON THESE CIRCUITS....I would love to see that!!! Back to reality.......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Oct 31 2009, 05:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That is a true statement but
If the fan wants it,and the drivers like it,it should be a no brainer.

I think the Newman crash at Talladega answers your question. As soon as the COT gets backwards it takes flight. When they have a better car they can speed the sport up.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Nov 1 2009, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think the Newman crash at Talladega answers your question. As soon as the COT gets backwards it takes flight. When they have a better car they can speed the sport up.

Apparently it happened again yesterday: more flying cars. So, what now?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Nov 1 2009, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think the Newman crash at Talladega answers your question. As soon as the COT gets backwards it takes flight. When they have a better car they can speed the sport up.
Not that i want to see riders or drivers die,but if hadnt been for the last 25 laps and the crash,people would have asked for their money back. I wasnt even there and felt like they owed me money for sitting thru that snorefest. When you have drivers asking on tv for somebody to talk to them so they dont fall asleep,you know you have boring racing.The response from the CC was interesting as well. He said fans had signs that read "no doze for sale".Racing organizations dont seem to realize that there is a cause and affect theory when it come to racing. They stick restrictor plates on cars that zaps them of HP, bunchs them up and creates a scenario where you have to have 3-4 cars literally pushing each other to make a pass. Then you tell them thats not allowed. WELL WELL,what do the drivers do to avoid penalty,they drop to the rear of the field,run nose to tail for 3 hours and then with 25 laps to go, they revert back to the only thing that works with these stupid ... rules and viola,you have a wreck.They slowed them down because of Edwards,do they slow them down again because of Newman.Before you know it,they will be running a 170 mph on a 2.6 mile track. The number of wrecks and severity of wreck has gotten worse since the restrictor plates. Give them HP so they can seperate themselves and can make moves without having 4 cars latched to their tail,and build taller and stronger fences.It will also seperate the true drivers from the wannabe's.Thats what the fans and drivers want and Nascar is to stubborn to see it. The restrictor plates were born because of Allisons crash and to this day,they still have the same problem.They can either drop those 2 tracks from the schedule,[that isnt going to happen since Nascar owns both] or they can give the fans what they want,OR suffer the consequences of ...... slow racing on a Superspeedway.

Or they can flatten the turns. Might not be popular with fans, but speeds would be kept down without restrictor plates. It would be a challenge too!

I've never understood ovals where the only driver input that is needed is to floor the gas pedal all the way. Then again I never liked oval racing that much anyways, although when CART was around it was pretty entertaining to watch.

IndyCar sucks.... bring back CART !!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Nov 2 2009, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've never understood ovals where the only driver input that is needed is to floor the gas pedal all the way. Then again I never liked oval racing that much anyways, although when CART was around it was pretty entertaining to watch.

IndyCar sucks.... bring back CART !!

....! This is something I can agree with you about.

Even with CART, speeds at tracks like Fontana and MIS reached a point where you had to lift to enter the corner. And tracks like Loudon, Milwaukee, Nazareth, you actually had to use the brake pedal to slow the cars.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Nov 2 2009, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>....! This is something I can agree with you about.

Even with CART, speeds at tracks like Fontana and MIS reached a point where you had to lift to enter the corner. And tracks like Loudon, Milwaukee, Nazareth, you actually had to use the brake pedal to slow the cars.

Actually, CART drivers ran flat out at the super speedways. I remember a 1996 TLC documentary that focused on the Tasman team; Andre Rebiero was putting both feet on the gas pedal to make sure he kept it held down during his qualifying run. The stagger and aero allowed the drivers to keep it wide open in the turns.

This was in '96, though. I'm not sure if the cars gained so much power in the next few years that lifting was required in the turns. I know that mechanical failures were high in those 500 milers. Perhaps some eased off on the throttle in spots during the race for the sake of reliability?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Nov 2 2009, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Actually, CART drivers ran flat out at the super speedways. I remember a 1996 TLC documentary that focused on the Tasman team; Andre Rebiero was putting both feet on the gas pedal to make sure he kept it held down during his qualifying run. The stagger and aero allowed the drivers to keep it wide open in the turns.

This was in '96, though. I'm not sure if the cars gained so much power in the next few years that lifting was required in the turns. I know that mechanical failures were high in those 500 milers. Perhaps some eased off on the throttle in spots during the race for the sake of reliability?

That was during qualifying, but in the races, due to the draft, you had to let up and drop 10-15 mph to keep your line.

I know that towards the end of 1999, through 2000, the Ford-Cosworth was rumored to have upwards of 1000 hp for the ovals.

Before restrictor plates,they most definatley had to lift thru the turns at Daytona and Talladega. Cars were exceeding 230 in the straights and tri oval but could only hold around 200 in the corners. AHHH the good old days. I used to enjoy going to qualifying at Talladega as much as the race. One car on the track, the notes a honking V8 can put out at 9500 rpm's is beyond cool.When there are 43 cars on the track,you didnt hear them hopping out of the throttle,set the car and start to feather back into it,then winding push rod engines past where you know its going to blow. Now its a 7500 rpm,foot to the floor drone,and people wonder whats wrong with attendance.Here in about 25 more years,those of us who witnessed real racing in Nascar will be dead and they can sell this .... to the Lex's of the racing world

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 2 2009, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Before restrictor plates,they most definatley had to lift thru the turns at Daytona and Talladega. Cars were exceeding 230 in the straights and tri oval but could only hold around 200 in the corners. AHHH the good old days. I used to enjoy going to qualifying at Talladega as much as the race. One car on the track, the notes a honking V8 can put out at 9500 rpm's is beyond cool.When there are 43 cars on the track,you didnt hear them hopping out of the throttle,set the car and start to feather back into it,then winding push rod engines past where you know its going to blow. Now its a 7500 rpm,foot to the floor drone,and people wonder whats wrong with attendance.Here in about 25 more years,those of us who witnessed real racing in Nascar will be dead and they can sell this .... to the Lex's of the racing world

I'm sure they did! 3400lb sedans with only a 4 inch high rear spoiler had to have been a nightmare, in a fun way, that is.

Hayden and I were referring to CART.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Nov 2 2009, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm sure they did! 3400lb sedans with only a 4 inch high rear spoiler had to have been a nightmare, in a fun way, that is.

Hayden and I were referring to CART.
Yea, i know what you guys were talking about.I was refering to SS56. He probably isnt old enough to remember non restrictor racing at Talladega and Daytona. It was exciting at one time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 2 2009, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yea, i know what you guys were talking about.I was refering to SS56. He probably isnt old enough to remember non restrictor racing at Talladega and Daytona. It was exciting at one time.


Did I hear someone say Ricky Bobby? Still haven't seen that movie yet, I bet you liked it though huh povol? I've seen that stupid CART movie 'Driven' though.... what a horrible, horrible film.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 2 2009, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yea, i know what you guys were talking about.I was refering to SS56. He probably isnt old enough to remember non restrictor racing at Talladega and Daytona. It was exciting at one time.

Sorry Pov.

I'm not old enough to have appreciated it when it was done, but I have seen footage and am amazed. Makes me appreciate seeing the CART missiles in their prime.

NASCAR used to be fun as recently as the very late 90s. Now it seems as though three quarters of the tracks are the same 1.5 D-oval design. No North Wilkesboro, The Rock is gone, one race at Darlington...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 2 2009, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yea, i know what you guys were talking about.I was refering to SS56. He probably isnt old enough to remember non restrictor racing at Talladega and Daytona. It was exciting at one time.

I don't either, outside of some VHS tapes a buddy sent me. 1985 Winston 500 at Talledaga was an actual race. Bill Elliott averaging just over 186 mph for the whole race. That was a race speed record until the early 2000's when CART averaged over 200 mph at Fontana, and the IRL also at Fontana average the same pace.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Nov 2 2009, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't either, outside of some VHS tapes a buddy sent me. 1985 Winston 500 at Talledaga was an actual race. Bill Elliott averaging just over 186 mph for the whole race. That was a race speed record until the early 2000's when CART averaged over 200 mph at Fontana, and the IRL also at Fontana average the same pace.
I was at that race and witnessed one of the most incredible feats of speed EVER. Elliott sat on the pole, was cruising along when he had a mechanical issue with the car.Came in to the pits under green, lost 2 laps on a 2.6 mile track and made it up without caution flags or any of this ........ lucky dog crap they have today. He simply went out and blitzed the field. No one thought anything about it when he was a lap and a half down,once he caught the field,blew thru it and passed the leaders to get back on the same lap,the crowd realized there was plenty of time to do it again and they were going nuts. They didnt give a .... that his car was 7-8 10ths faster than everyone,this mother ...... was flying and thats all that mattered. Fans want speed,the more the better and dont really care if someone gets it right and kicks the .... out of the competition.Fans have caught on to manufactured racing and they dont like it. If racing wants to survive,they had better get back to the business of speed and performance that defies peoples imagination,not this choreagraphed 'SHOW' they are putting on for fringe fan who may or may not hang around.