I just noticed that if Stoner wins at Valencia...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 29 2007, 11:35 AM) [snapback]97545[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think with the right man on board any of the factory bikes this year were capable of the world title, its pretty close these days.


I don't think god (even if he/she is separable from valentino in a motogp context ) could have beaten a sufficiently good rider on the ducati/ bridgestones with only the current yamaha on michelins at his disposal. Babelfish's argument that the yamaha doesn't have enough power for traction control to benefit rossi as much seems plausible to me. I think valentino did about as well as anyone could do, and even his mistakes were due to pushing things in an unequal battle. I don't know that he would have beaten stoner if he had also been on the ducati, especially as the ducati/bridgestones seem peculiarly suited to casey, but it seems likely it would have been pretty close.

However, as others have said, I think you can argue about whether valentino rode quite at his peak last year, particularly in the last race.

I think that all these folks who can't stop saying how Casey wiped the floor with Rossi and how Rossi is essentially worth nothing need to hold all their excitement in check until Casey has notched up his 6th premier class world title. Only then will casey (with all due respect to him...I think he's a GREAT rider) have wiped the floor with Rossi/ kicked his ... etc etc

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 29 2007, 12:35 PM) [snapback]97545[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think with the right man on board any of the factory bikes this year were capable of the world title, its pretty close these days.


What you say, if accepted, would lead us to the logical conclusion that the only "right man on board" is Stoner... hard to believe, however right he indeed is.

I would rather put it the other way round - more than one of the factory riders this year would have been capable of winning the world title, with the right package under them

lol, so caparossi's package wasnt good enough eh? hahhaha what a crack up

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(masterridley @ Oct 27 2007, 10:03 AM) [snapback]97278[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
...he'll have 372 points at the end of the championship ,that is he'll set the record for most points in a season


cool

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Oct 29 2007, 07:47 PM) [snapback]97610[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
What you say, if accepted, would lead us to the logical conclusion that the only "right man on board" is Stoner... hard to believe, however right he indeed is.



I am saying that Stoner worked better with his package this year than anyone else did with theirs, however i don't feel like he necisarilly had the best package.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Oct 29 2007, 10:20 PM) [snapback]97625[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
lol, so caparossi's package wasnt good enough eh? hahhaha what a crack up


I dont think Capirossi this year, for what he has shown, was among the riders who could have won, given the right package. But Rossi and Pedrosa... Yessss sir. They would have been battling it out with Stoner until the last race.

i can say for certain the following riders in motogp will never win a WC even if they had the "right package"

Tony Elias
Caparossi
Colin Edwards
nakano
west


a few more but i wont say as i may offend

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Oct 29 2007, 09:53 PM) [snapback]97631[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i can say for certain the following riders in motogp will never win a WC even if they had the "right package"

Tony Elias
Caparossi
Colin Edwards
nakano
west
a few more but i wont say as i may offend


so it doesnt matter if you offend these riders' fans then...? lol

i am inclined to agree with you here though

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Oct 29 2007, 11:46 PM) [snapback]97628[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I am saying that Stoner worked better with his package this year than anyone else did with theirs, however i don't feel like he necisarilly had the best package.


Really?
So who exactly had the best package in your opinion? Because that ducati went like the wind on amphetamines and those bridgestones really got it right. And Livio Suppo is practically in love with Casey.
And YES before the stoner brigade pipes up...Stoner could do no wrong either...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bikergirl @ Oct 30 2007, 11:56 AM) [snapback]97641[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Really?
So who exactly had the best package in your opinion?


Well I'm assuming Rossi has the best "package"!! ...

as earlier you stated that you would love to wear it out !! .......

And I quote:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bikergirl @ Oct 30 2007, 02:54 AM) [snapback]97586[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
What I wish for is something else of course ie Vale to be so tired out from his night of romping with me that he won't be able to get into the saddle!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Oct 29 2007, 09:53 PM) [snapback]97631[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i can say for certain the following riders in motogp will never win a WC even if they had the "right package"

Tony Elias
Caparossi
Colin Edwards
nakano
west
a few more but i wont say as i may offend

last year stoner would have been on that list. theres only one thing that is "certain" in motogp and thats nothing is certain !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 30 2007, 10:39 AM) [snapback]97661[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
last year stoner would have been on that list. theres only one thing that is "certain" in motogp and thats nothing is certain !

Quote me,why don`t you!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DRILL666 @ Oct 30 2007, 10:47 AM) [snapback]97665[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Quote me,why don`t you!!

yeah, you me and 99.9% of motogp followers

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Oct 29 2007, 10:53 PM) [snapback]97631[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i can say for certain the following riders in motogp will never win a WC even if they had the "right package"

Tony Elias
Caparossi
Colin Edwards
nakano
west
a few more but i wont say as i may offend



Ahemmm---- Are you speaking of Motorcycling Grand Prix World Championships?
Capirossi is a 3-times world champ in this sport...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Oct 28 2007, 08:26 AM) [snapback]97384[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
stoners 2007 season is as dominate as rossis 2001 season. a little bit off rossis 2002, 2003 season.

either way its still an ... whooping hes handed out.

especially to his teammate.


you got it all wrong mate, Ducati and Bridgestone won the championship, it could have been anyone in the saddle, Stoner was lucky to be there

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Oct 27 2007, 01:42 PM) [snapback]97306[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
the level of competition and that rossi winning by 100+ points was boring.


No, Rossi didn't just go off and lead the whole race. That's BORING. Rossi battled with Biaggi and Gibernau a lot.
Fair play to Stoner for the championshipn though, he really deserved it. But to be honest, this season has been the most boring one of my entire time watching it and that's not because Stoner came out as champion. I really don't like Nicky Hayden, but last year was SO much better!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Evolution @ Oct 30 2007, 06:24 PM) [snapback]97733[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
you got it all wrong mate, Ducati and Bridgestone won the championship, it could have been anyone in the saddle, Stoner was lucky to be there


I agree that Bridgestone and Ducati did well this season, but you didn't see Capirossi taking the lead all season did you? It's unfair to say that he won it just because of his bike because he rides the Ducati naturally and races with it very well. Yeah the bike is the thing that gets you the wins, but nothing is automatically done for him. Stoner's the one responsible for going out on the track and guiding it to a win. And so he did.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 30 2007, 01:03 PM) [snapback]97683[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
yeah, you me and 99.9% of motogp followers

+1

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Oct 29 2007, 09:20 PM) [snapback]97625[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
lol, so caparossi's package wasnt good enough eh? hahhaha what a crack up


Capirossi is a top rider who has years and years of experience yet he gets ... whipping from Casey in his second season in motogp.

Its not really that Casey is that damn good (looking back at his career), its just the bikes are alot different i would use the word 'easier' to ride nowadays.

If Casey was around 10yrs ago his mindset would be completely different. Its sometimes easier being new to things because old habits die hard.

I still think Capirossi is right to ride the bike how the years of experience has taught him, its not his fault the rules change for the worse of the sport.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Evolution @ Oct 31 2007, 05:24 AM) [snapback]97733[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
you got it all wrong mate, Ducati and Bridgestone won the championship, it could have been anyone in the saddle, Stoner was lucky to be there



yep anyone... so true anyone could of won on a ducati, dont you mean anyone except loris caparossi?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Louise @ Oct 31 2007, 06:33 AM) [snapback]97742[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
No, Rossi didn't just go off and lead the whole race. That's BORING. Rossi battled with Biaggi and Gibernau a lot.
Fair play to Stoner for the championshipn though, he really deserved it. But to be honest, this season has been the most boring one of my entire time watching it and that's not because Stoner came out as champion. I really don't like Nicky Hayden, but last year was SO much better!
I agree that Bridgestone and Ducati did well this season, but you didn't see Capirossi taking the lead all season did you? It's unfair to say that he won it just because of his bike because he rides the Ducati naturally and races with it very well. Yeah the bike is the thing that gets you the wins, but nothing is automatically done for him. Stoner's the one responsible for going out on the track and guiding it to a win. And so he did.



yeah next time please advise stoner to sandbag during the race so he can give the others a chance.

stoner has done what doohan did for half a decade.

and that is not to give any of the other riders a chance. just ride as hard as you can in the first half of the race, build up a gap, and then manage the gap till the finish.... thats just plain smart... it demoralize the opposition for that race and the rest of the season

and it seems hes already got rossi beat for next season already, at least in the mind