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I just noticed that if Stoner wins at Valencia...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 28 2007, 12:37 PM) [snapback]97397[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
ducati on race bridgestones is obviously the fastest bike, but not necessarily easy to ride fast.


it looks alot easier to handle now but their 990 was crazy.

i think dorna changed too many rules and theres alot of 'what if's'

if stoner would be going so well on the 990 ducati beast
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he certainly would have had more fight from vale as the michelins worked better on the 990 and their bike was more right because they had many seasons of working on it.

well at least yamaha's bike can only get better next year.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Oct 28 2007, 12:37 PM) [snapback]97401[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
it looks alot easier to handle now but their 990 was crazy.


My theory is that capi's gut, trained by many years on non tc bikes, tells him he is about to lose the bike before that point is actually reached on a bike with the current tc.

I still think casey in his dominant performances rides the bike very close to the edge; livio suppo's comments on the TV coverage towards the end of the PI race would seem to indicate he agrees with me.

I agree with you and others that at least one too many rules was changed.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 28 2007, 11:37 AM) [snapback]97397[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I actually agree with this. I personally believe stoner is at least a very,very good rider, and better at age 21 than capi at age 34. However it seems inconceivable that he could be usually a second a lap faster than a rider who was well in contention for the world championship last year. I don't go for the ducati favouring stoner theory, as the difference was even more pronounced at the start when they had no reason to favour stoner; in fact as we now know they had already signed melandri and presumably would have punted stoner at the end of this year if there was no reason to do otherwise.

It is easy to speculate about psychology but I certainly would not dismiss the fatherhood theory, although it didn't seem to bother michael schumacher etc. I think the most likely thing is what you have already mentioned; the bike with traction control etc needs to be ridden in a different fashion which does not fit with his instinctive way of riding after over a decade at the top levels of GP racing. Comments from both him and casey stoner during the year about the differences in the way they ride would seem to support this. As I have commented previously the ducati on race bridgestones is obviously the fastest bike, but not necessarily easy to ride fast.

if i remember correctly, wasn't stoner on a screamer config but capi didn't like it so chose to have his a big bang config ?
i dont believe the 2 ducs are that similar under the plastic and 1 sec a lap pretty much prove's this imo.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 28 2007, 01:29 PM) [snapback]97403[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
if i remember correctly, wasn't stoner on a screamer config but capi didn't like it so chose to have his a big bang config ?
i dont believe the 2 ducs are that similar under the plastic and 1 sec a lap pretty much prove's this imo.

I think you are right. I think capirossi asked for even the engine to be changed.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 29 2007, 12:29 AM) [snapback]97403[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
if i remember correctly, wasn't stoner on a screamer config but capi didn't like it so chose to have his a big bang config ?
i dont believe the 2 ducs are that similar under the plastic and 1 sec a lap pretty much prove's this imo.



Both had the screamer at the start of the season and Loris couldn't come to terms with it. They changed to a different engine for him which Casey decided against using. The new engine didn't really help him either. If you look at comparable top speeds there is basically no difference but I think Casey gets out of the corners and on to the power quicker. It will be interesting to see how Melandri handles the bike in 2008. These 2 should have a fantastic battle next season and I for one am looking forward to it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 28 2007, 01:50 PM) [snapback]97402[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
My theory is that capi's gut, trained by many years on non tc bikes, tells him he is about to lose the bike before that point is actually reached on a bike with the current tc.


good point.

also i feel some people are quick to say this rider is finished purely because hes being outperformed by the new guys.

i think Loris is brainwashed compared to Casey and the other newer riders to Motogp who have learn't how to ride these bikes the best way.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Oct 27 2007, 02:42 PM) [snapback]97306[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
remember this, rossi has still had a decent year this year. if it were not for stoner, rossi would have 260+ points this year already. and would of been enough in most years to win the WC.

only this year stoner is here and has anialated not just rossi but the rest of the field.

its really great when someone dominates then the rest of the field wants to change the rules.

it happens in nearly every sport. tall popy syndrome.

yet rossi when he was dominating on the best machine, best tires, best engineers, biggest budget, there was not one word from rossi regarding the level of competition and that rossi winning by 100+ points was boring.


weesht little pink man

yamaha were nowhere when he joined that team and he smoked everyone!

Stoner was the man this year, everyone knows it, quit Rossi bashing coz your getting a tad boring!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 28 2007, 01:50 PM) [snapback]97402[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
My theory is that capi's gut, trained by many years on non tc bikes, tells him he is about to lose the bike before that point is actually reached on a bike with the current tc.
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The fact that he asked for a more tractable engine mapping seems to indicate he in fact still wants to control the bike the old way, with the right wrist - this seems to confirm he cannot trust the TC blindly, because it goes against his gut feeling. If that si the case then Capirex is really a dinosaur, ironically, and will not be at the top again unless they change the rules and take out TC (unlikely).

But is this really the answer? We'll know better when we'll see what he can do on a Suzuki. I'm also curious to hear what he'll say as soon as he's free from the Ducati contract (which is very restrictive on what a rider can say publicly). I have a feeling he'll speak out a little more.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 28 2007, 10:37 PM) [snapback]97397[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I don't go for the ducati favouring stoner theory, as the difference was even more pronounced at the start when they had no reason to favour stoner; in fact as we now know they had already signed melandri and presumably would have punted stoner at the end of this year if there was no reason to do otherwise.


Well I think Duc.'s policy has changed now ..... during the celebrations at the factory, when Casey won the title, one of the exec.s said "well now we know to win a championship we must have an Australian and an Italian
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It was a comment in mirth and happiness with Bayliss and Stoner, but gee history does make it look like that ..... So there is a bit of favouritism straight up!!
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so ensentially what everyone is saying is caparossi cant ride the new 800.


suits him or not, its definitly a machin capable of dominating a WC with a capable rider, either way hes had a can of whoop ... handed to him.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Oct 29 2007, 03:01 PM) [snapback]97512[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
so ensentially what everyone is saying is caparossi cant ride the new 800.
suits him or not, its definitly a machin capable of dominating a WC with a capable rider, either way hes had a can of whoop ... handed to him.


Now Now ! ...... I'd also say Capi had a lot to do with Stoners great year ..... on just one reason alone ..... Capi. never made Stoner fell like .... over the situation ... he has allways seemed to have a good word for him and seems very supportive of Casey.

Cosuld have been a lot worse a year .... there are a few riders out there who would have made it "hard off track" for Stoner after the first win, had they been on his team.

No I like Capi even more after this year.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Oct 29 2007, 02:19 PM) [snapback]97517[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Now Now ! ...... I'd also say Capi had a lot to do with Stoners great year ..... on just one reason alone ..... Capi. never made Stoner fell like .... over the situation ... he has allways seemed to have a good word for him and seems very supportive of Casey.

Cosuld have been a lot worse a year .... there are a few riders out there who would have made it "hard off track" for Stoner after the first win, had they been on his team.

No I like Capi even more after this year.


I totally agree with you Barry. Casey has had nothing but good things to say about Capirex ... and vice versa I might add!

CV must be happy!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Oct 29 2007, 10:43 AM) [snapback]97494[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'm also curious to hear what he'll say as soon as he's free from the Ducati contract (which is very restrictive on what a rider can say publicly). I have a feeling he'll speak out a little more.
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While I agree with you that the riders are restricted by the team on what they can say, I can't see Capi saying (in public) a bad word about Ducati after he leaves. I don't think he is that type of person.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Oct 29 2007, 04:01 AM) [snapback]97512[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
so ensentially what everyone is saying is caparossi cant ride the new 800.
suits him or not, its definitly a machin capable of dominating a WC with a capable rider, either way hes had a can of whoop ... handed to him.


Why all the negative waves? He has won one more GP this year, and 9 more in total than you or me or indeed half the riders on the grid. I am sure casey stoner would be happy to be still winning GPs at age 34.

He has contibuted greatly to ducati's build up to their current status, and as others have said has been an exemplary team-mate to casey with whom he appears to have remained on very good terms. Suzuki also seem to think he still has something to offer, at least as a development rider, as I am sure there was no shortage of other candidates for his suzuki ride next year.

I don't get why some stoner fans feel the need to demean capirossi, let alone rossi, as logically this diminishes casey's achievement in beating them.
 
i know stoners acheivement has been great.

however people always seem to say that he is on the best bike, but then the SAME people then also say caparossi is on an inferior bike because he can in no way be 1 second a lap slower than stoner, if they were the same machine.

some logic there.

end of day loris a a great rider. however stoner has just shown how far ahead of loris he is.

end of day he's won 10 races this year. hayden won 2 last year. stoner deserves the win and the credit, hes hardly made a mistake this year and has withstood everything rossi has thrown at him, and in fact one may say stoner has broken rossi, rossi has pretty much conceeded he wont win next year on michellins.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 28 2007, 10:37 PM) [snapback]97397[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
It is easy to speculate about psychology but I certainly would not dismiss the fatherhood theory,


Ok speculation on fatherhood you say ..

I can do that:

I speculate that Mrs Stoner will have a .... ....

They will name her Bridgette

and her name will be shortened by her schoolmates to:

Bridg,Stoner ....

ok ... bed time for me you say
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 29 2007, 06:05 AM) [snapback]97522[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Why all the negative waves? He has won one more GP this year, and 9 more in total than you or me or indeed half the riders on the grid. I am sure casey stoner would be happy to be still winning GPs at age 34.

He has contibuted greatly to ducati's build up to their current status, and as others have said has been an exemplary team-mate to casey with whom he appears to have remained on very good terms. Suzuki also seem to think he still has something to offer, at least as a development rider, as I am sure there was no shortage of other candidates for his suzuki ride next year.

I don't get why some stoner fans feel the need to demean capirossi, let alone rossi, as logically this diminishes casey's achievement in beating them.

that had to be said ! spot on mate
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Im not a stoner fan but he has done an amazing job this year and Im sure he'll continue doing so. Its been his year but as the others catch up, he'll have to dig deeper, which will only make for better races. But lets not forget about an issue which I think derserves attention.
When is Stoners missus gonna get her .... out?, she is seriously cute !!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Oct 29 2007, 04:01 AM) [snapback]97512[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
suits him or not, its definitly a machin capable of dominating a WC with a capable rider


I think with the right man on board any of the factory bikes this year were capable of the world title, its pretty close these days.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Oct 29 2007, 06:54 AM) [snapback]97523[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i know stoners acheivement has been great.

stoner has just shown how far ahead of loris he is.

end of day he's won 10 races this year. stoner deserves the win and the credit,

do you actually no anything about motogp or is your whole knowledge based around stoner.
damn, your like one of those creepy stalker types.
 

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