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I just noticed that if Stoner wins at Valencia...

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masterridley451

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...he'll have 372 points at the end of the championship
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,that is he'll set the record for most points in a season
For those who don't know,the current record is held by Valentino Rossi with 367 points(2005 season which he dominated although he had at least 2 other seasons with ~350 points)
But the bad news (Rossi fan-wise
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)don't stop there.By winning Stoner will bring his total tally of wins to 11 just as many as Rossi had in 2001,2002 and 2005.

This makes me think that both drivers will have the incentive to win the season-ender and also that maybe we're witnessing the beginning of the Stoner era
(we'll have to see what mr. Lorenzo says about that)
 
yeah it could be one of the best final rounds of all time .... there is some pride at stake with this one.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Oct 27 2007, 12:10 PM) [snapback]97283[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
yeah it could be one of the best final rounds of all time .... there is some pride at stake with this one.

It had better be with what I'm forking out to go watch it!!!!
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This shouldn't be a surprise...Stoner is the BEST rider in the world...he's been kicking ... and winning championships for years....
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Well, he has won the only title that is important this year! So, there can be no argument ... he is the best rider in the world!
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Oh yeah ... he doesn't "kick ..." but he has "kicked Arse" all year!
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remember this, rossi has still had a decent year this year. if it were not for stoner, rossi would have 260+ points this year already. and would of been enough in most years to win the WC.

only this year stoner is here and has anialated not just rossi but the rest of the field.

its really great when someone dominates then the rest of the field wants to change the rules.

it happens in nearly every sport. tall popy syndrome.

yet rossi when he was dominating on the best machine, best tires, best engineers, biggest budget, there was not one word from rossi regarding the level of competition and that rossi winning by 100+ points was boring.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(masterridley @ Oct 27 2007, 11:03 AM) [snapback]97278[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
...he'll have 372 points at the end of the championship
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,that is he'll set the record for most points in a season
For those who don't know,the current record is held by Valentino Rossi with 367 points(2005 season which he dominated although he had at least 2 other seasons with ~350 points)
But the bad news (Rossi fan-wise
<
)don't stop there.By winning Stoner will bring his total tally of wins to 11 just as many as Rossi had in 2001,2002 and 2005.

This makes me think that both drivers will have the incentive to win the season-ender and also that maybe we're witnessing the beginning of the Stoner era
(we'll have to see what mr. Lorenzo says about that)


It is great for Stoner and I wish all the best to the young new World Champ, who I consider stronger than Lorenzo (the way he wins reminds me of my childhood's hero Saarinen), but to be fair one must remember that there are more races this year than in any previous season, consequently more points available and more races to win...
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J4rn0 you're right,I completely missed that
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Thanks for the heads up!
Anyways, after a little more <strike>advanced</strike> math I bring you the correct results from 2000 onwards...

<div class='codetop'>CODE<div class='codemain'>Year    Races    Rider     Points    Per Race
2000     16    Roberts Jr.  258        16.1
2001     16      Rossi      325        20.3
2002     16      Rossi      355        22.2
2003     16      Rossi      357        22.3
2004     16      Rossi      304        19.0
2005     17      Rossi      367        21.6
2006     17      Hayden     252        14.8
2007     18      Stoner     372       20.7
assuming Stoner takes the checkered flag

The ...-kicking that Rossi did back in the day is pretty evident
 
Look at what Rossi did his first season out and that was on the mighty two stroke 500.

What has impressed me the most about Casey is that this has happened his second year out. He went from almost a zero to a hero.

As for George Laurence, I don't think he'll make that strong of an impact in 08. Look out 09!!!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(masterridley @ Oct 27 2007, 10:03 AM) [snapback]97278[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
...he'll have 372 points at the end of the championship
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,that is he'll set the record for most points in a season
For those who don't know,the current record is held by Valentino Rossi with 367 points(2005 season which he dominated although he had at least 2 other seasons with ~350 points)
But the bad news (Rossi fan-wise
<
)don't stop there.By winning Stoner will bring his total tally of wins to 11 just as many as Rossi had in 2001,2002 and 2005.

This makes me think that both drivers will have the incentive to win the season-ender and also that maybe we're witnessing the beginning of the Stoner era
(we'll have to see what mr. Lorenzo says about that)

congrats stoner, nothing away from the boy.

rossi ditch the loosers. ditch michlin yam and get with the winners
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(masterridley @ Oct 27 2007, 06:13 PM) [snapback]97326[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
J4rn0 you're right,I completely missed that
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Thanks for the heads up!
Anyways, after a little more <strike>advanced</strike> math I bring you the correct results from 2000 onwards...

<div class='codetop'>CODE<div class='codemain'>Year    Races    Rider     Points    Per Race
2000     16    Roberts Jr.  258        16.1
2001     16      Rossi      325        20.3
2002     16      Rossi      355        22.2
2003     16      Rossi      357        22.3
2004     16      Rossi      304        19.0
2005     17      Rossi      367        21.6
2006     17      Hayden     252        14.8
2007     18      Stoner     372       20.7
assuming Stoner takes the checkered flag

The ...-kicking that Rossi did back in the day is pretty evident


Stoners had an extra two races than rossi did in 03, deduct 50 points then to make it fair?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Oct 27 2007, 09:28 PM) [snapback]97347[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Stoners had an extra two races than rossi did in 03, deduct 50 points then to make it fair?
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good spot buddy.
 
Before Stoner, Rossi was fine riding .... bikes and tires..... But now that he has some real competition that .... just dont fly
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Oct 27 2007, 02:42 PM) [snapback]97306[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
its really great when someone dominates then the rest of the field wants to change the rules.



I remember in 2003 (if you where watching back then pinky
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Gibernau and Biaggi where like that about Rossi they wanted his bike they wanted factory support and doubted his talents.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Oct 27 2007, 02:42 PM) [snapback]97306[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
yet rossi when he was dominating on the best machine, best tires, best engineers, biggest budget, there was not one word from rossi regarding the level of competition and that rossi winning by 100+ points was boring.


He had the best at Honda but what he did for Yamaha proves hes that damn good.

Can't wait until Casey moves to Kawasaki and dominates, but yea he failed miserably on LCR honda
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Oct 28 2007, 07:28 AM) [snapback]97347[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Stoners had an extra two races than rossi did in 03, deduct 50 points then to make it fair?
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?? I thought that the whole idea of the "per race" stat. was to lose the effect of differing numbers of races ... statistically. It has already taken into account the more races thing.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Oct 27 2007, 10:28 PM) [snapback]97347[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Stoners had an extra two races than rossi did in 03, deduct 50 points then to make it fair?
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It is already an average of points per race phleg. So no need to deduct anything as already a fair representation, assuming Stoner does scoop 25 at Valencia which of course remains to be seen.... though hardly think that will be a problem for him.
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stoners 2007 season is as dominate as rossis 2001 season. a little bit off rossis 2002, 2003 season.

either way its still an ... whooping hes handed out.

especially to his teammate.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Oct 28 2007, 09:26 AM) [snapback]97384[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
stoners 2007 season is as dominate as rossis 2001 season. a little bit off rossis 2002, 2003 season.

either way its still an ... whooping hes handed out.

especially to his teammate.


I don't know why you keep making the same point.
Nobody's arguing the fact that Stoner's had a great season. Good on him.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Oct 28 2007, 08:26 AM) [snapback]97384[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
stoners 2007 season is as dominate as rossis 2001 season. a little bit off rossis 2002, 2003 season.

either way its still an ... whooping hes handed out.

especially to his teammate.


Honor to Stoner, I have no reserves about him, but allow me a little comment out of topic: nobody can beat Capirossi by 1 second per lap based on driving ability only, - not Stoner, not Rossi, not even JC himself. Capi is a top rider... So we need another answer to this question.

I agree it has been an enigma for the whole season. There was a proverb once in the old GP circus, that when a rider becomes a father he slows down at least 0.5 secs..
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I do not know if that can be an answer, anyway Capi had his first son this year.

What he himself has been saying all along, is that he cannot really ride this new 800cc Ducati. That's another possibility... Either he could not adapt, or at Ducati they have decided to push Stoner and dump Capirex... ?!

Who knows. I'm just listing possibilities other than 'Stoner is 1 sec/lap better than Capirex' - which would be an out-of-this-world assertion, imho.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Oct 28 2007, 11:12 AM) [snapback]97394[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Honor to Stoner, I have no reserves about him, but allow me a little comment out of topic: nobody can beat Capirossi by 1 second per lap based on driving ability only, - not Stoner, not Rossi, not even JC himself. Capi is a top rider... So we need another answer to this question.


I actually agree with this. I personally believe stoner is at least a very,very good rider, and better at age 21 than capi at age 34. However it seems inconceivable that he could be usually a second a lap faster than a rider who was well in contention for the world championship last year. I don't go for the ducati favouring stoner theory, as the difference was even more pronounced at the start when they had no reason to favour stoner; in fact as we now know they had already signed melandri and presumably would have punted stoner at the end of this year if there was no reason to do otherwise.

It is easy to speculate about psychology but I certainly would not dismiss the fatherhood theory, although it didn't seem to bother michael schumacher etc. I think the most likely thing is what you have already mentioned; the bike with traction control etc needs to be ridden in a different fashion which does not fit with his instinctive way of riding after over a decade at the top levels of GP racing. Comments from both him and casey stoner during the year about the differences in the way they ride would seem to support this. As I have commented previously the ducati on race bridgestones is obviously the fastest bike, but not necessarily easy to ride fast.
 

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