And he finally flat out says he wants a MotoGP ride. His agent is looking into possible opportunities and he says his fear of flying has been exaggerated. Posting a competitive time on an AMA SBK, being around the MotoGP atmosphere and seeing RL Hayden getting it done must be lighting a fire under his ....
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Morgo @ Jul 21 2007, 03:00 AM) [snapback]80196[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Lets see Roger Lee do it on a non american track..... i think not
If my memory serves me well, didnt Steve Hislop set the fastest lap at Donny ever at one point didnt he? On a superbike........
Local knowledge is a big advantage, Hizzy was a great rider when it all fell into place, but turning that into a credible championship challenge is very different. Lets not get too excited for Spies and RL.
Pete
Lets see Roger Lee do it on a non american track..... i think not
If my memory serves me well, didnt Steve Hislop set the fastest lap at Donny ever at one point didnt he? On a superbike........
Local knowledge is a big advantage, Hizzy was a great rider when it all fell into place, but turning that into a credible championship challenge is very different. Lets not get too excited for Spies and RL.
Pete
Spies manages 12th on a heavily modified roadbike and you're worried about people getting over excited? You can't get excited enough about such a performance.
I wasn't sure Spies had it, but if he can ride the Suzuki to within a second of Stoner, he can be competitive in MGP. Good Luck, Spies.
Great news for AMA, hopefully more Americans can fast track to Motogp thru our home series. I'm sure all WSBK and AMA riders hope MGP keeps cutting displacement "for safety" b/c MGP will cease to be the premier series if they keep that .... up.
If WSBK was smart they would allow greater engine modification and even more extra cc's for the twins, and beat Motogp at its own game.
Can you imagine the ridiculously sick roadbikes that would be available if WSBK became the world's premier roadracing series
I wasn't sure Spies had it, but if he can ride the Suzuki to within a second of Stoner, he can be competitive in MGP. Good Luck, Spies.
Great news for AMA, hopefully more Americans can fast track to Motogp thru our home series. I'm sure all WSBK and AMA riders hope MGP keeps cutting displacement "for safety" b/c MGP will cease to be the premier series if they keep that .... up.
If WSBK was smart they would allow greater engine modification and even more extra cc's for the twins, and beat Motogp at its own game.
Can you imagine the ridiculously sick roadbikes that would be available if WSBK became the world's premier roadracing series
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Jul 21 2007, 04:19 AM) [snapback]80201[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Spies manages 12th on a heavily modified roadbike and you're worried about people getting over excited? You can't get excited enough about such a performance.
I wasn't sure Spies had it, but if he can ride the Suzuki to within a second of Stoner, he can be competitive in MGP. Good Luck, Spies.
Great news for AMA, hopefully more Americans can fast track to Motogp thru our home series. I'm sure all WSBK and AMA riders hope MGP keeps cutting displacement "for safety" b/c MGP will cease to be the premier series if they keep that .... up.
If WSBK was smart they would allow greater engine modification and even more extra cc's for the twins, and beat Motogp at its own game.
Can you imagine the ridiculously sick roadbikes that would be available if WSBK became the world's premier roadracing series
Keep in mind, although they are prototype motorcycles, MotoGP machines are down 200cc to Superbikes. And there is a fair amount of work done to factory Superbikes.
MotoGP will always be the premier class of motorcycle racing because it is prototype racing. Just as Formula One will always be the premier class of auto racing. It attracts the most gifted engineers, mechanics and drivers to its paddocks.
The last thing the sportbike market needs is more 1098s. It's a disgrace really. It's bad enough we have bikes like the Hayabusa, ZX14R and CBR11X for squids to run at 190mph and put everyone's lives in danger but at least they couldn't turn so they had to be reasonable around bends. Now we're going to have a 1200cc that can handle. That's fantastic...
Spies manages 12th on a heavily modified roadbike and you're worried about people getting over excited? You can't get excited enough about such a performance.
I wasn't sure Spies had it, but if he can ride the Suzuki to within a second of Stoner, he can be competitive in MGP. Good Luck, Spies.
Great news for AMA, hopefully more Americans can fast track to Motogp thru our home series. I'm sure all WSBK and AMA riders hope MGP keeps cutting displacement "for safety" b/c MGP will cease to be the premier series if they keep that .... up.
If WSBK was smart they would allow greater engine modification and even more extra cc's for the twins, and beat Motogp at its own game.
Can you imagine the ridiculously sick roadbikes that would be available if WSBK became the world's premier roadracing series
Keep in mind, although they are prototype motorcycles, MotoGP machines are down 200cc to Superbikes. And there is a fair amount of work done to factory Superbikes.
MotoGP will always be the premier class of motorcycle racing because it is prototype racing. Just as Formula One will always be the premier class of auto racing. It attracts the most gifted engineers, mechanics and drivers to its paddocks.
The last thing the sportbike market needs is more 1098s. It's a disgrace really. It's bad enough we have bikes like the Hayabusa, ZX14R and CBR11X for squids to run at 190mph and put everyone's lives in danger but at least they couldn't turn so they had to be reasonable around bends. Now we're going to have a 1200cc that can handle. That's fantastic...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Austin @ Jul 21 2007, 05:44 AM) [snapback]80204[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Keep in mind, although they are prototype motorcycles, MotoGP machines are down 200cc to Superbikes. And there is a fair amount of work done to factory Superbikes.
MotoGP will always be the premier class of motorcycle racing because it is prototype racing. Just as Formula One will always be the premier class of auto racing. It attracts the most gifted engineers, mechanics and drivers to its paddocks.
The last thing the sportbike market needs is more 1098s. It's a disgrace really. It's bad enough we have bikes like the Hayabusa, ZX14R and CBR11X for squids to run at 190mph and put everyone's lives in danger but at least they couldn't turn so they had to be reasonable around bends. Now we're going to have a 1200cc that can handle. That's fantastic...
Hey Austin, I like you more with every post, you talk a lot of sense mate!
Pete
Keep in mind, although they are prototype motorcycles, MotoGP machines are down 200cc to Superbikes. And there is a fair amount of work done to factory Superbikes.
MotoGP will always be the premier class of motorcycle racing because it is prototype racing. Just as Formula One will always be the premier class of auto racing. It attracts the most gifted engineers, mechanics and drivers to its paddocks.
The last thing the sportbike market needs is more 1098s. It's a disgrace really. It's bad enough we have bikes like the Hayabusa, ZX14R and CBR11X for squids to run at 190mph and put everyone's lives in danger but at least they couldn't turn so they had to be reasonable around bends. Now we're going to have a 1200cc that can handle. That's fantastic...
Hey Austin, I like you more with every post, you talk a lot of sense mate!
Pete
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Austin @ Jul 21 2007, 12:44 AM) [snapback]80204[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Keep in mind, although they are prototype motorcycles, MotoGP machines are down 200cc to Superbikes. And there is a fair amount of work done to factory Superbikes.
MotoGP will always be the premier class of motorcycle racing because it is prototype racing. Just as Formula One will always be the premier class of auto racing. It attracts the most gifted engineers, mechanics and drivers to its paddocks.
The last thing the sportbike market needs is more 1098s. It's a disgrace really. It's bad enough we have bikes like the Hayabusa, ZX14R and CBR11X for squids to run at 190mph and put everyone's lives in danger but at least they couldn't turn so they had to be reasonable around bends. Now we're going to have a 1200cc that can handle. That's fantastic...
And the current crop of liter bikes aren't as dangerous? Stock for stock, a current liter bike will run with and beat a Busa, given the riders have are equal.
My last track day, some guy brought his Busa and was running novice at Mid Ohio. From what I saw, he had no trouble turning that bike either!!
I think that the high hp liter bikes will soon become a thing of the past. I can see the governemnt or somebody cutting down the hp these bikes are producing in the name of "safety". Shoot.....a 600cc cportbike is as dangerous as any other bike. It is not about the bike, but the manner in which the rider chooses to use that bike.
Keep in mind, although they are prototype motorcycles, MotoGP machines are down 200cc to Superbikes. And there is a fair amount of work done to factory Superbikes.
MotoGP will always be the premier class of motorcycle racing because it is prototype racing. Just as Formula One will always be the premier class of auto racing. It attracts the most gifted engineers, mechanics and drivers to its paddocks.
The last thing the sportbike market needs is more 1098s. It's a disgrace really. It's bad enough we have bikes like the Hayabusa, ZX14R and CBR11X for squids to run at 190mph and put everyone's lives in danger but at least they couldn't turn so they had to be reasonable around bends. Now we're going to have a 1200cc that can handle. That's fantastic...
And the current crop of liter bikes aren't as dangerous? Stock for stock, a current liter bike will run with and beat a Busa, given the riders have are equal.
My last track day, some guy brought his Busa and was running novice at Mid Ohio. From what I saw, he had no trouble turning that bike either!!
I think that the high hp liter bikes will soon become a thing of the past. I can see the governemnt or somebody cutting down the hp these bikes are producing in the name of "safety". Shoot.....a 600cc cportbike is as dangerous as any other bike. It is not about the bike, but the manner in which the rider chooses to use that bike.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(basspete @ Jul 21 2007, 03:08 AM) [snapback]80197[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
If my memory serves me well, didnt Steve Hislop set the fastest lap at Donny ever at one point didnt he? On a superbike........
Local knowledge is a big advantage, Hizzy was a great rider when it all fell into place, but turning that into a credible championship challenge is very different. Lets not get too excited for Spies and RL.
Pete
I was there when he did it, beat Rossi's time from the MotoGP. Unbelievable achievement.
If my memory serves me well, didnt Steve Hislop set the fastest lap at Donny ever at one point didnt he? On a superbike........
Local knowledge is a big advantage, Hizzy was a great rider when it all fell into place, but turning that into a credible championship challenge is very different. Lets not get too excited for Spies and RL.
Pete
I was there when he did it, beat Rossi's time from the MotoGP. Unbelievable achievement.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Jul 21 2007, 12:19 AM) [snapback]80201[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Spies manages 12th on a heavily modified roadbike and you're worried about people getting over excited? You can't get excited enough about such a performance.
I wasn't sure Spies had it, but if he can ride the Suzuki to within a second of Stoner, he can be competitive in MGP. Good Luck, Spies.
Great news for AMA, hopefully more Americans can fast track to Motogp thru our home series. I'm sure all WSBK and AMA riders hope MGP keeps cutting displacement "for safety" b/c MGP will cease to be the premier series if they keep that .... up.
If WSBK was smart they would allow greater engine modification and even more extra cc's for the twins, and beat Motogp at its own game.
Can you imagine the ridiculously sick roadbikes that would be available if WSBK became the world's premier roadracing series
Even though they cut 190cc out of the bike it is still turning faster lap times than the 990 on just about every track they visit.If Superbike allowed carbon carbon brakes i think the times would be scary close between the 2 series
Spies manages 12th on a heavily modified roadbike and you're worried about people getting over excited? You can't get excited enough about such a performance.
I wasn't sure Spies had it, but if he can ride the Suzuki to within a second of Stoner, he can be competitive in MGP. Good Luck, Spies.
Great news for AMA, hopefully more Americans can fast track to Motogp thru our home series. I'm sure all WSBK and AMA riders hope MGP keeps cutting displacement "for safety" b/c MGP will cease to be the premier series if they keep that .... up.
If WSBK was smart they would allow greater engine modification and even more extra cc's for the twins, and beat Motogp at its own game.
Can you imagine the ridiculously sick roadbikes that would be available if WSBK became the world's premier roadracing series
Even though they cut 190cc out of the bike it is still turning faster lap times than the 990 on just about every track they visit.If Superbike allowed carbon carbon brakes i think the times would be scary close between the 2 series
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(basspete @ Jul 21 2007, 09:42 AM) [snapback]80240[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Hey Austin, I like you more with every post, you talk a lot of sense mate!
Pete
Thanks Pete..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(machmanzx10r @ Jul 21 2007, 10:04 AM) [snapback]80243[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
And the current crop of liter bikes aren't as dangerous? Stock for stock, a current liter bike will run with and beat a Busa, given the riders have are equal.
My last track day, some guy brought his Busa and was running novice at Mid Ohio. From what I saw, he had no trouble turning that bike either!!
I think that the high hp liter bikes will soon become a thing of the past. I can see the governemnt or somebody cutting down the hp these bikes are producing in the name of "safety". Shoot.....a 600cc cportbike is as dangerous as any other bike. It is not about the bike, but the manner in which the rider chooses to use that bike.
Any bike is dangerous, especially at the control of a squid. However it seems to me that the worst squids are the guys who go out and buy these massive HP bikes with no experience because it's the biggest one on the market. I know that the litre bikes can outperform those machines but there are many squid who aren't aware of it. I'm sort of rambling but do you start to see where I'm coming from?
Hey Austin, I like you more with every post, you talk a lot of sense mate!
Pete
Thanks Pete..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(machmanzx10r @ Jul 21 2007, 10:04 AM) [snapback]80243[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
And the current crop of liter bikes aren't as dangerous? Stock for stock, a current liter bike will run with and beat a Busa, given the riders have are equal.
My last track day, some guy brought his Busa and was running novice at Mid Ohio. From what I saw, he had no trouble turning that bike either!!
I think that the high hp liter bikes will soon become a thing of the past. I can see the governemnt or somebody cutting down the hp these bikes are producing in the name of "safety". Shoot.....a 600cc cportbike is as dangerous as any other bike. It is not about the bike, but the manner in which the rider chooses to use that bike.
Any bike is dangerous, especially at the control of a squid. However it seems to me that the worst squids are the guys who go out and buy these massive HP bikes with no experience because it's the biggest one on the market. I know that the litre bikes can outperform those machines but there are many squid who aren't aware of it. I'm sort of rambling but do you start to see where I'm coming from?
The closeness of the superbikes and the GP bikes to me, indicates that something is wrong. To make a comparison, how would things be viewed if a touring car could place 12th on a Formula One grid? IMO, the 1000cc sportsbikes/superbikes are getting too quick, on the track and on the road.
These problems transcend onto the road. I can understand why people would want a 1000cc sportsbike on the road, but I've personally never bought into it. Whats the point in having so much power when you can't legally do more than 75mph?
These problems transcend onto the road. I can understand why people would want a 1000cc sportsbike on the road, but I've personally never bought into it. Whats the point in having so much power when you can't legally do more than 75mph?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Jul 21 2007, 06:29 PM) [snapback]80319[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
1. The closeness of the superbikes and the GP bikes to me, indicates that something is wrong. To make a comparison, how would things be viewed if a touring car could place 12th on a Formula One grid? IMO, the 1000cc sportsbikes/superbikes are getting too quick, on the track and on the road.
2. These problems transcend onto the road. I can understand why people would want a 1000cc sportsbike on the road, but I've personally never bought into it. Whats the point in having so much power when you can't legally do more than 75mph?
1. This is a reflection of the quality of road bikes we can buy today, they are very focussed machines and we are treated to excellent engineering. However i also feel that world superbike regulations allow too much modification and they should run rules closer to superstock but with slicks to keep the costs down and racing relevant to the road bikes.
2. There is plenty of fun to be had when you are willing to disreagard the law. A 400cc bike is quick enough to lose your license but some people want to go faster still, particularly in acceleration. You only have to see the way people ride in this country to see why so many car dirvers hate motorcylcists. And i don't think MCN does us any favours by convincing riders that they are not respnsible and that the entire government and motoring wolrd is against them.
1. The closeness of the superbikes and the GP bikes to me, indicates that something is wrong. To make a comparison, how would things be viewed if a touring car could place 12th on a Formula One grid? IMO, the 1000cc sportsbikes/superbikes are getting too quick, on the track and on the road.
2. These problems transcend onto the road. I can understand why people would want a 1000cc sportsbike on the road, but I've personally never bought into it. Whats the point in having so much power when you can't legally do more than 75mph?
1. This is a reflection of the quality of road bikes we can buy today, they are very focussed machines and we are treated to excellent engineering. However i also feel that world superbike regulations allow too much modification and they should run rules closer to superstock but with slicks to keep the costs down and racing relevant to the road bikes.
2. There is plenty of fun to be had when you are willing to disreagard the law. A 400cc bike is quick enough to lose your license but some people want to go faster still, particularly in acceleration. You only have to see the way people ride in this country to see why so many car dirvers hate motorcylcists. And i don't think MCN does us any favours by convincing riders that they are not respnsible and that the entire government and motoring wolrd is against them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Jul 20 2007, 09:19 PM) [snapback]80201[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Spies manages 12th on a heavily modified roadbike and you're worried about people getting over excited? You can't get excited enough about such a performance.
I wasn't sure Spies had it, but if he can ride the Suzuki to within a second of Stoner, he can be competitive in MGP. Good Luck, Spies.
Great news for AMA, hopefully more Americans can fast track to Motogp thru our home series. I'm sure all WSBK and AMA riders hope MGP keeps cutting displacement "for safety" b/c MGP will cease to be the premier series if they keep that .... up.
If WSBK was smart they would allow greater engine modification and even more extra cc's for the twins, and beat Motogp at its own game.
Can you imagine the ridiculously sick roadbikes that would be available if WSBK became the world's premier roadracing series
don't assume someone who can ride a superbike well can ride a GP bike well. edwards has two world championships and we all know his GP record.
also, laptimes don't dictate what the premier class is, the quality of the machine does. superbikes are the progeny of GP machines and always will be meaning the technology going into them is what GP bikes had first. if GP laptimes were a second or two slower than SBK times, nobody would care. a GP bike is still a completely different animal than a superbike.
why the heck would you want MORE mods allowed in sbk? that completely goes against the spirit of the series. as tom says, it should be way more like superstock. since you seem to be so into AMA SBK, are you not aware of the complaints all the privateers have on this very topic ?
i think you don't really understand the relationship that GP racing has to the superbike market. the factories use the GP series to create the technology that goes into superbikes. you've got the cart before the horse.
Spies manages 12th on a heavily modified roadbike and you're worried about people getting over excited? You can't get excited enough about such a performance.
I wasn't sure Spies had it, but if he can ride the Suzuki to within a second of Stoner, he can be competitive in MGP. Good Luck, Spies.
Great news for AMA, hopefully more Americans can fast track to Motogp thru our home series. I'm sure all WSBK and AMA riders hope MGP keeps cutting displacement "for safety" b/c MGP will cease to be the premier series if they keep that .... up.
If WSBK was smart they would allow greater engine modification and even more extra cc's for the twins, and beat Motogp at its own game.
Can you imagine the ridiculously sick roadbikes that would be available if WSBK became the world's premier roadracing series
don't assume someone who can ride a superbike well can ride a GP bike well. edwards has two world championships and we all know his GP record.
also, laptimes don't dictate what the premier class is, the quality of the machine does. superbikes are the progeny of GP machines and always will be meaning the technology going into them is what GP bikes had first. if GP laptimes were a second or two slower than SBK times, nobody would care. a GP bike is still a completely different animal than a superbike.
why the heck would you want MORE mods allowed in sbk? that completely goes against the spirit of the series. as tom says, it should be way more like superstock. since you seem to be so into AMA SBK, are you not aware of the complaints all the privateers have on this very topic ?
i think you don't really understand the relationship that GP racing has to the superbike market. the factories use the GP series to create the technology that goes into superbikes. you've got the cart before the horse.
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[quote name='Orrmate' date='Jul 21 2007, 01:29 PM' post='80319']
The closeness of the superbikes and the GP bikes to me, indicates that something is wrong. To make a comparison, how would things be viewed if a touring car could place 12th on a Formula One grid? IMO, the 1000cc sportsbikes/superbikes are getting too quick, on the track and on the road.
These problems transcend onto the road. I can understand why people would want a 1000cc sportsbike on the road, but I've personally never bought into it. Whats the point in having so much power when you can't legally do more than 75mph?
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Listening to opinions like these makes my skin crwal and at the same time, feel sorry for the people that have been beaten down with rules and regulations from their very own governments to the point that you have submitted to them and start to think like them.Dont give governments the power to make choices for you,they are elected to speak FOR you,not tell you how its going to be.If im willing to take the chance of a speeding ticket,jail,or death,it is none of the governments business what i choose to do it in or on.Evenj though the AMA is a dysfunctional organization when it comes to racing,they do many good things when lobbying against mindsets like these.Sorry for the rant and getting a little off track but i get fired up when people start talking about taking my toys away and regulating my fun
The closeness of the superbikes and the GP bikes to me, indicates that something is wrong. To make a comparison, how would things be viewed if a touring car could place 12th on a Formula One grid? IMO, the 1000cc sportsbikes/superbikes are getting too quick, on the track and on the road.
These problems transcend onto the road. I can understand why people would want a 1000cc sportsbike on the road, but I've personally never bought into it. Whats the point in having so much power when you can't legally do more than 75mph?
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Listening to opinions like these makes my skin crwal and at the same time, feel sorry for the people that have been beaten down with rules and regulations from their very own governments to the point that you have submitted to them and start to think like them.Dont give governments the power to make choices for you,they are elected to speak FOR you,not tell you how its going to be.If im willing to take the chance of a speeding ticket,jail,or death,it is none of the governments business what i choose to do it in or on.Evenj though the AMA is a dysfunctional organization when it comes to racing,they do many good things when lobbying against mindsets like these.Sorry for the rant and getting a little off track but i get fired up when people start talking about taking my toys away and regulating my fun
Povol, you call me a victim of my government, it sounds like your a victim of the motorcycle media.
If what you are accusing me of is being against speeding, then yes, I am. I won't apologise for that. I'm not against people having fun, by all means, do, but if you want to go beyond the speed limit, imo you should do a trackday. Its not about risking you're own life, its about the risk placed on other road users.
I'll probably get shot down for saying this on a bike forum, but its my opinion, at least I'm not afraid to say what I think.
If what you are accusing me of is being against speeding, then yes, I am. I won't apologise for that. I'm not against people having fun, by all means, do, but if you want to go beyond the speed limit, imo you should do a trackday. Its not about risking you're own life, its about the risk placed on other road users.
I'll probably get shot down for saying this on a bike forum, but its my opinion, at least I'm not afraid to say what I think.
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I enjoy riding and I enjoy doing so in excess of the speed limit. Not in a reckless manner, but in a way that I know I am riding within my abilities. I think the biggest problem with motorcyclists, especially in the states, is riders riding bikes and in a way that is above them.
I see a 19 year-old riding an R1 who has never ridden a motorcycle before but got the R1 because the guy at the dealership said it was the fastest bike out there. This is the guy who does 140 on the freeway in and out of traffic or off in the twisties trying to handle corners at just under the century mark. I think motorcycle related fatalities would decrease by a fair margin in this country if there were a system similar to that in the UK where you must start on a smaller displacement and gain licensing to ride larger bikes with experience. Just my 2p.
I see a 19 year-old riding an R1 who has never ridden a motorcycle before but got the R1 because the guy at the dealership said it was the fastest bike out there. This is the guy who does 140 on the freeway in and out of traffic or off in the twisties trying to handle corners at just under the century mark. I think motorcycle related fatalities would decrease by a fair margin in this country if there were a system similar to that in the UK where you must start on a smaller displacement and gain licensing to ride larger bikes with experience. Just my 2p.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Austin @ Jul 21 2007, 07:59 PM) [snapback]80351[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think motorcycle related fatalities would decrease by a fair margin in this country if there were a system similar to that in the UK where you must start on a smaller displacement and gain licensing to ride larger bikes with experience. Just my 2p.
Even thats not enough, a 33 BHP restricted 400cc bike with a 17 year old on it is still a bvery dangerous thing.
I think motorcycle related fatalities would decrease by a fair margin in this country if there were a system similar to that in the UK where you must start on a smaller displacement and gain licensing to ride larger bikes with experience. Just my 2p.
Even thats not enough, a 33 BHP restricted 400cc bike with a 17 year old on it is still a bvery dangerous thing.
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