Hayes needs to pay bills.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Nov 10 2008, 05:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If he has chosen not to further his career for financial reasons then he is a sell out. No disrespect to him, a lot of riders do it and it is understandable. Ultimately he prioritises money over the common dream of racers to be the best.


Fair enough. I'll edit my earlier post, it was a little harsh. Still, "sell-out" is generally meant with disrespect. Maybe just say that money is more important for Hayes at this point?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Nov 10 2008, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Fair enough. I'll edit my earlier post, it was a little harsh. Still, "sell-out" is generally meant with disrespect. Maybe just say that money is more important for Hayes at this point?

It's okay, a lot of people are very critical of sell-outs but i don't really get on board with that. I think its totally respectable when a rider choses to further themself financially rather than in achievement. It may not be the most admirable approach to racing, but with limited earning potential outside of racing, families to support and the risks involved it's understandable.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Nov 10 2008, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's okay, a lot of people are very critical of sell-outs but i don't really get on board with that. I think its totally respectable when a rider choses to further themself financially rather than in achievement. It may not be the most admirable approach to racing, but with limited earning potential outside of racing, families to support and the risks involved it's understandable.

If it was anything else but WSS compared to FX or AMA SS,i would agree.I like WSS but i dont consider it any higher achievment than any other SS crown.Hayes proved the American riders can go with the best the Europeans have to offer.I know he finshed 6-7 seconds back of Superglue but he was on a very under powered bike.Had he turned down a WSBK ride,i would feel different but lets face it, WSS,AMA SS or anyother SS series is an undercard that wouldnt stand a chance of survival on their own.Thats why i say its really not any great achievment.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 10 2008, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>but lets face it, WSS,AMA SS or anyother SS series is an undercard that wouldnt stand a chance of survival on their own.Thats why i say its really not any great achievment.

If it was the only thing to watch I would watch it.

I think Tom is trying to say he's done the wrong thing (turned down a WSS ride) but for the right reasons (it won't earn him enough money). Which is completely understandable at this stage of his career.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 10 2008, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If it was anything else but WSS compared to FX or AMA SS,i would agree.I like WSS but i dont consider it any higher achievment than any other SS crown.Hayes proved the American riders can go with the best the Europeans have to offer.I know he finshed 6-7 seconds back of Superglue but he was on a very under powered bike.Had he turned down a WSBK ride,i would feel different but lets face it, WSS,AMA SS or anyother SS series is an undercard that wouldnt stand a chance of survival on their own.Thats why i say its really not any great achievment.

Well whether or not you like world supersport is irrelevant, it is the world championship. Being the best supersport rider in the world is a higher achievement than being the best in any single nation. The bike Hayes was riding was by no means underpowered, and was comfortably proven to be podium worthy numerous times this season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Nov 10 2008, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If it was the only thing to watch I would watch it.

Of course we would watch IF,it was the only choice,but its not.Race fans world wide want more powerful rides,faster lap times and razors edge danger.Its why we are fans.Racing in all forms is suffering world wide because the powers that be dont understand the race fan.We want to see records broke,not rules that etch records in history.If an Indy car runs 239 mph laps at Indianapolis,we want 240 next year,not 220.Thats how we pick our hero's,not the guy that whines about speeds being to high but the guy that knows the faster it gets the more advantage he has because he has IT. One of my all time favorites in motorsports was Bill Elliott,he was the man when it came to going fast.It gutted him when Nascar went to restictor plates at Daytona and Talladega.Everyone felt safe going 190mph but he felt it took away a mental advantage that he felt safe going 215 mph.I never missed a Talladega race before restrictor plates.i went to the first one with restrictor plates and have never been back.I had seen 230 mph on the back stretch,195 bored me.What im trying to say,got of on a rant there,is race fans will watch anything race, but the main attraction is always going to be the fastest, nastiest,most dangerous killer machine and the dude that has the balls to ride or drive it.The undercard stuff is nice and provides good entertainment but until its our only choice,it wont mean much to the average race fan.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Nov 11 2008, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well whether or not you like world supersport is irrelevant, it is the world championship. Being the best supersport rider in the world is a higher achievement than being the best in any single nation. The bike Hayes was riding was by no means underpowered, and was comfortably proven to be podium worthy numerous times this season.

Out of the top 10 finishers,the Parklagar Honda had the slowest trap speed of them all.It was a full 10kph down to the Hannspree bike that Superglue used to blow by him.The power difference was very evident.The Parklagar Honda is a good ride and with a good rider will run towards the front and sniff a podium now and again but it's not going to beat the Hannspree machines.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 11 2008, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Out of the top 10 finishers,the Parklagar Honda had the slowest trap speed of them all.It was a full 10kph down to the Hannspree bike that Superglue used to blow by him.The power difference was very evident.The Parklagar Honda is a good ride and with a good rider will run towards the front and sniff a podium now and again but it's not going to beat the Hannspree machines.
Makes you appreciate what a tenacious fighter Jonesy was.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 11 2008, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Of course we would watch IF,it was the only choice,but its not.Race fans world wide want more powerful rides,faster lap times and razors edge danger.Its why we are fans.Racing in all forms is suffering world wide because the powers that be dont understand the race fan.We want to see records broke,not rules that etch records in history.If an Indy car runs 239 mph laps at Indianapolis,we want 240 next year,not 220.Thats how we pick our hero's,not the guy that whines about speeds being to high but the guy that knows the faster it gets the more advantage he has because he has IT. One of my all time favorites in motorsports was Bill Elliott,he was the man when it came to going fast.It gutted him when Nascar went to restictor plates at Daytona and Talladega.Everyone felt safe going 190mph but he felt it took away a mental advantage that he felt safe going 215 mph.I never missed a Talladega race before restrictor plates.i went to the first one with restrictor plates and have never been back.I had seen 230 mph on the back stretch,195 bored me.What im trying to say,got of on a rant there,is race fans will watch anything race, but the main attraction is always going to be the fastest, nastiest,most dangerous killer machine and the dude that has the balls to ride or drive it.The undercard stuff is nice and provides good entertainment but until its our only choice,it wont mean much to the average race fan.

I like WSS. I watched every race this year. Pitt should be proud of his achievements.

I thought they put restrictor plates on after Bobby Alyson nearly flew into the crowd at Talladega? As awful as plate races are, having another Le Mans Massacre would be worse. Too bad they didn't put wings on them for those tracks to keep them on the ground while allowing them to go real fast. I believe Rusty Wallace ran a test at Talladega without plates a few years ago and hit 236?

As for Indy cars, I loved watching the turbo missiles average 240. I remember when Honda trimmed out one of their F1 cars and bragged of hitting 246 on the salt flats. Big f'ing deal, a turbo indy car from ten years earlier could average that in a closed circuit.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Nov 11 2008, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I like WSS. I watched every race this year. Pitt should be proud of his achievements.

I thought they put restrictor plates on after Bobby Alyson nearly flew into the crowd at Talladega? As awful as plate races are, having another Le Mans Massacre would be worse. Too bad they didn't put wings on them for those tracks to keep them on the ground while allowing them to go real fast. I believe Rusty Wallace ran a test at Talladega without plates a few years ago and hit 236?

As for Indy cars, I loved watching the turbo missiles average 240. I remember when Honda trimmed out one of their F1 cars and bragged of hitting 246 on the salt flats. Big f'ing deal, a turbo indy car from ten years earlier could average that in a closed circuit.

They did put restrictor plates after the Allison incident.I was there and sat in the boiling Alabama sun for 2 hours waiting for the fence to get mended so they could continue the race.Talking about a buzz kill.After they went to restrictor plates,Elliott told Nascar that they would donate the millions they were spending on restrictor R&D to the tracks to build taller fences,just let us run.You are right about Wallace a couple of years ago,would that not be a hoot to watch.Im all about speed when it comes to keeping my attention.I want records broke every ....... year or i loose interest.

I looked up the figures on Wallace's run and they hit a top speed of 228 with a lap average of a little over 216 mph.Wallace said with some tweaking 235 would be easy.Not bad for old push rod V8 technology

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Nov 5 2008, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why can't Euros pay cometative slaries?
LINK


Oh and this was funny. Sofagoglu is a gay.




Sofagoglu can't handle a superbike, so he goes crawling back to a 600 and whines his way to the lead. BTW, what happen to his vocal cords, too much .... sucking?
Either that or a helium filled balloon

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Nov 11 2008, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Makes you appreciate what a tenacious fighter Jonesy was.

Jones was one hell of a fighter, I enjoyed watching him, his last race was one of his best.

A bit off topic, but does anyone know if Pitt made any mention of the Jones accident after it happened? I know it was not his fault and it is unknown if Pitt's hitting Jones after Jones fell off had anything to do with Jones death, but did Pitt make a statement or acknowledge Jones death?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 11 2008, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Out of the top 10 finishers,the Parklagar Honda had the slowest trap speed of them all.It was a full 10kph down to the Hannspree bike that Superglue used to blow by him.The power difference was very evident.The Parklagar Honda is a good ride and with a good rider will run towards the front and sniff a podium now and again but it's not going to beat the Hannspree machines.

Hanspree machines have been the class of the field for years, we know that. But that doesn't make every other ride obsolete, the parkalgar ride is a top ride in the class and with top riders it can achieve more than credible results. Bikes outside of Ten Kate can and do win races, and are worth riding. Hayes may have been slower in the traps, but that is a function of the riders ability, not just the bikes power.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Nov 13 2008, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hanspree machines have been the class of the field for years, we know that. But that doesn't make every other ride obsolete, the parkalgar ride is a top ride in the class and with top riders it can achieve more than credible results. Bikes outside of Ten Kate can and do win races, and are worth riding. Hayes may have been slower in the traps, but that is a function of the riders ability, not just the bikes power.

The Yamahas had the most top end for what seemed like most of the year. Don't know what happened to the riders, though; they seemed to drop off. Was Foret injured at some point?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Nov 13 2008, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Yamahas had the most top end for what seemed like most of the year. Don't know what happened to the riders, though; they seemed to drop off. Was Foret injured at some point?

Foret was out for 4 of the races, around the mid point of the season.

Seeing as this is a WSS topic...

Anyone see Crutchlows times on the Yam?

I read he did a 44, which is only a second and a bit off of Byrne's fastest time during testing. That's some pace!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Nov 13 2008, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hanspree machines have been the class of the field for years, we know that. But that doesn't make every other ride obsolete, the parkalgar ride is a top ride in the class and with top riders it can achieve more than credible results. Bikes outside of Ten Kate can and do win races, and are worth riding. Hayes may have been slower in the traps, but that is a function of the riders ability, not just the bikes power.
Think about what you just said 'Hayes may have been slower in the traps, but that is a function of the riders ability, not just the bikes power.

If his bike had lowest trap speeds in the top 10, yet he finished ahead of 6 of them,he had to be making it up somewhere dont you think,maybe corner speed.If his corner speed is higher yet top trap speed is slower,that tells me the bike is underpowered.I would say Hayes riding abilities functioned rather well.Like i said,the Parklagar bike is a good ride but it will take a very good rider to podium with it.Jonsie was a very good rider as is Hayes.Look where that bike finishes on a regular basis with an average rider like Praia.

Well now we know how Josh will be paying the bills next year:

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Nov/081114cs.htm

I'm glad he finally got his shot at a factory superbike ride. Wasn't his last superbike ride with Attack Suzuki?

I'm also glad to finally see an announcement regarding next year's series; I was starting to worry.

If the rest of the factories return, particularly Yoshimura with Mladin, then Hayes will be taking a step ahead and facing a new challenge as a factory superbike rider. So I wouldn't shake my head at him too much for not taking a WSS seat.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Nov 14 2008, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well now we know how Josh will be paying the bills next year:

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Nov/081114cs.htm

I'm glad he finally got his shot at a factory superbike ride. Wasn't his last superbike ride with Attack Suzuki?

I'm also glad to finally see an announcement regarding next year's series; I was starting to worry.

If the rest of the factories return, particularly Yoshimura with Mladin, then Hayes will be taking a step ahead and facing a new challenge as a factory superbike rider. So I wouldn't shake my head at him too much for not taking a WSS seat.
Attack Kawasaki.