Hayes needs to pay bills.

Why can't Euros pay cometative slaries?
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Oh and this was funny. Sofagoglu is a gay.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Asked yesterday during the FG Sport media test day what exactly was going on when he was waving at Hayes, Sofuoglu said that he felt Hayes was riding pretty aggressively while the American led the race and that he felt he should have ridden a little more conservatively, plus Hayes seemed to be blocking Sofuoglu's path for the lead.

We're Americans, so we are clearly clueless, but we then asked Sofuoglu this: where he comes from do people just get out of the way when you're behind them?

"Um, no," he said.

Sofagoglu can't handle a superbike, so he goes crawling back to a 600 and whines his way to the lead. BTW, what happen to his vocal cords, too much .... sucking?

I watched the races yesterday and didn't see an incident that ticked off Sofouglu, definitely not enough to warrant his swinging punches at Hayes. Granted, I'm not Sofouglu, so who knows what Hayes was doing to him. I do know this, the Parkalgar Honda Hayes was on was clearly underpowered in comparison to the Ten Kate, this was quite obvious when Sofouglu made his swinging arm pass down the straight, past 3 other riders, and proceeded to pull a several second lead. Between this and the Biaggi vs. Fabrizio incident, there was plenty of drama at Portimao. The end battle between Hayes and Lascorz was great, unfortunately for Hayes, Lascorz had just a bit more in him on the last lap. I was hoping to see Hayes in the WSS next year, but as he is saying, it's not going to happen.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Nov 5 2008, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why can't Euros pay cometative slaries?
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I haven't seen the numbers but from what I can tell from the broadcasts it seems like the turnout is far greater for a WSBK race than a AMA race. Kind of Ironic. Maybe its because Hayes is a proven winner in the AMA and only the big dogs in WSBK get paid anything to write home about. He would have to prove himself for a year in WSBK until he actually got paid. I don't know

I would assume it has something to do with the fact that all the rides that pay well in the states are either factory teams or factory supported teams. Comparing Hayes's Erion Honda salary with a WSS squad outside Ten Kate is probably not going to be too even. Similarly, some private Ducati in WSB is probably going to pay as well or more as some private Suzuki in the AMA.

Shame, Hayes can obviously ride the 600's well enough to be in europe, but if he has other proritities thats that. Maybe the pay thing has something to do with the fact that the teams, sponsors and factories in europe have their resources divided over a relatively large amount of major series', while in the US there is just one place to be.

I'd be embarrassed if I was Kenan - Supersport champ to back of the pack on a factory Honda, and then to rub it in more, a 21 year old rookie in his first WSB race finishes 4th on the same bike.

Ohhhh dear.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Checa_7 @ Nov 6 2008, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd be embarrassed if I was Kenan - Supersport champ to back of the pack on a factory Honda, and then to rub it in more, a 21 year old rookie in his first WSB race finishes 4th on the same bike.

Ohhhh dear.

Embarassed? On returning to a bike he hasn't ridden all year he made the field look average, including his world champion team mate. I think his return to the class goes a decent way to undoing the embarassment of his superbike campaign.

For you guys that have actually raced,what is that makes jumping from a 600 to 1000 so difficult for some.I doubt its the weight or size difference since that is minimal any more.Is it just because the talent level is that much better,is it the extra 60-70 hp they cant get their head around.Roger and Tommy Hayden seem to be the same.When healthy they are tough on 600's but average on Superbikes.Superglue is dominant on a 600 and cant get out of his own way on a Superbike.There is a pattern here,where not 1 rider that has ever won wSS has gone on to win WSBK and not 1 rider that has one WSBK has ever gone on to win Moto Gp.That to me is very strange.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 6 2008, 06:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.There is a pattern here,where not 1 rider that has ever won wSS has gone on to win WSBK and not 1 rider that has one WSBK has ever gone on to win Moto Gp.That to me is very strange.
First off, Sofaglue should be embarrassed. He stunk on superbike and returned to the junior series. Its a bit like going to the 250/450 Supercross series, then not hacking it, and crawling with tail in legs back to Lites/125s. The guy was great in freshman junior varsity, then couldn't hack varsity, and went back to JV. That is in no uncertain terms, embarrassing. And if that were not bad enough, the guy calls massive attention to himself by having a childish moment. The guy has no shame.

So what will be his claim to fame? I was the best senior in freshman sports!

(You can go back and look at my posts last year about this guy, and you will find much praise. But his antics coupled with his return to the junior series has made him into a joke).

Well Andrew Pitt, this year's WSS champion was also a return rider to the Supersport ranks, having won the WSS title in 2001 (without winning a race) as well as spending time in MotoGP and WSBK. At least Pitt can say he has won a WSBK race. Sofouglu got one year, looked terrible (had his excuses with his brother's death, however you want to look at that), and is headed back to the lower ranks. I guess Ten Kate saw more promise in Rea, which he showed well at Portimao.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Nov 7 2008, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well Andrew Pitt, this year's WSS champion was also a return rider to the Supersport ranks, having won the WSS title in 2001 (without winning a race) as well as spending time in MotoGP and WSBK. At least Pitt can say he has won a WSBK race. Sofouglu got one year, looked terrible (had his excuses with his brother's death, however you want to look at that), and is headed back to the lower ranks. I guess Ten Kate saw more promise in Rea, which he showed well at Portimao.

I don't think a rider has any shame in returning to supersport after struggling elswhere. Speaking of Kenan specifically i think he has no more to be ashamed of than riders like Pitt or West who have done the same thing, especially as he beat Pitt on his return. Additionally he has more to be proud of than riders who don't get premoted out of the class at all, or riders who get demoted back to national level almost emmidiately.

I would be proud to say I could dominate a world championship grid anywhere, no matter my record in higher classes.

I just don't get why Hayes wouldn't jump on a World ss ride. I also don't get why he thinks he will make more here with a totally dysfunctional series. The ama/dmg/nascar will be canceling races faster then ama canceled supermotard races this year. Maybe he didn't get any kind of offer in Europe? If he did and turned it down I would of thought " a bird in one hand is better then ANYTHING ama/dmg/taxicabracing could offer.

If what we are hearing is true and Hayes did actually turn down a ride in the world championships for financial reasons then he is the perfect definition of a sell out.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Nov 9 2008, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If what we are hearing is true and Hayes did actually turn down a ride in the world championships for financial reasons then he is the perfect definition of a sell out.

What a crock of .....Selling out to what.WTF does a guy in his 30's have to gain by racing in a obscure series that doesnt pay .....WHY would he is the question.Josh is nearing the end of a pretty damn decent career and is not looking for a fast track to WSBK or Moto GP.He is looking to get paid.If the WSS riders want to work for peanuts,more power to them but if someone wants to pay me 300% more money to do the same damn thing,guess what?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Nov 9 2008, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If what we are hearing is true and Hayes did actually turn down a ride in the world championships for financial reasons then he is the perfect definition of a sell out.

Josh is in his 30s; he doesn't have much time left to make his living as a racer. Travelling the world to make less money than he would for racing in the U.S. can't be an attractive option for him.

If he has chosen not to further his career for financial reasons then he is a sell out. No disrespect to him, a lot of riders do it and it is understandable. Ultimately he prioritises money over the common dream of racers to be the best.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Nov 10 2008, 05:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If he has chosen not to further his career for financial reasons then he is a sell out. No disrespect to him, a lot of riders do it and it is understandable. Ultimately he prioritises money over the common dream of racers to be the best.

I dont know where your from,but furthering a career includes more money.He is at the twilight of his racing days,why pack your bags,go half way around the world,pay higher living expenses and make a !/4 of what you can make doing the same thing.For what,so you can say you rode WSS,whoop de do.

Josh is looking to extend his career,not further it.Im not sure what Josh makes but i would guess in the 500000.00 range.He says WSS wants to pay him a 1/4 of what he can make in the states,you do the math.Thats not selling out,thats being realistic.John Hopkins would be a closer definition of a sell out.In the prime of his career,he left a somewhat competitive team for a miserable team for money.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 10 2008, 01:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What a crock of .....Selling out to what.WTF does a guy in his 30's have to gain by racing in a obscure series that doesnt pay .....WHY would he is the question.Josh is nearing the end of a pretty damn decent career and is not looking for a fast track to WSBK or Moto GP.He is looking to get paid.If the WSS riders want to work for peanuts,more power to them but if someone wants to pay me 300% more money to do the same damn thing,guess what?
Agree...apart from the 'obscure series' bit

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 10 2008, 06:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I dont know where your from,but furthering a career includes more money.He is at the twilight of his racing days,why pack your bags,go half way around the world,pay higher living expenses and make a !/4 of what you can make doing the same thing.For what,so you can say you rode WSS,whoop de do.

Josh is looking to extend his career,not further it.Im not sure what Josh makes but i would guess in the 500000.00 range.He says WSS wants to pay him a 1/4 of what he can make in the states,you do the math.Thats not selling out,thats being realistic.John Hopkins would be a closer definition of a sell out.In the prime of his career,he left a somewhat competitive team for a miserable team for money.

+1

I'm glad Hayes is returning to the AMA. I know he's not going to be happy about the rules changes, but at least through all the turmoil, the AMA is still capable of treating its important riders to a healthy salary.

I disagree about Hopkins, though. He said he was looking for a change of scenery after the 2007 season. He didn't leave Suzuki for the money; however, he did go to Kawasaki because they offered the most.

I say he's 1/2 sellout.