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One tyre...
From motgp.com
Sunday, 28 September 2008
In a meeting at the Motegi circuit on Sunday morning the Grand Prix Commission decided unanimously that there will be a single tyre supplier in the MotoGP class as of 2009.
For safety and cost reasons, the Grand Prix Commission, composed of Messrs. Carmelo Ezpeleta (Dorna, Chairman), Claude Danis (FIM), Herve Poncharal (IRTA) and Takanao Tsubouchi (MSMA), in the presence of Mr. Paul Butler (Secretary of the meeting), in a meeting held today at the circuit of Motegi, unanimously decided to introduce the following change to the FIM Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix Regulations:
The Grand Prix Commission has decided unanimously that there will be a single tyre supplier for the MotoGP class from 2009. Proposals to supply the tyres must be handed to the FIM and Dorna by 3rd October at the latest. The final decision will be announced by the GP Commission by 18th October at the latest.
Mr. Ezpeleta commented, `We postponed the decision until today so that we could get more ideas and opinions about it. Finally we decided, the Grand Prix Commission, unanimously, for safety reasons and to reduce costs that we would go to a one tyre rule. Now the FIM ask for a tender, which means that the tyre manufacturers who are interested in competing for the tender must send their offers before next Saturday. From there we will study the different offers and then no later than 18th October the Grand Prix Commission will decide who will supply the tyres.´
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From motgp.com
Sunday, 28 September 2008
In a meeting at the Motegi circuit on Sunday morning the Grand Prix Commission decided unanimously that there will be a single tyre supplier in the MotoGP class as of 2009.
For safety and cost reasons, the Grand Prix Commission, composed of Messrs. Carmelo Ezpeleta (Dorna, Chairman), Claude Danis (FIM), Herve Poncharal (IRTA) and Takanao Tsubouchi (MSMA), in the presence of Mr. Paul Butler (Secretary of the meeting), in a meeting held today at the circuit of Motegi, unanimously decided to introduce the following change to the FIM Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix Regulations:
The Grand Prix Commission has decided unanimously that there will be a single tyre supplier for the MotoGP class from 2009. Proposals to supply the tyres must be handed to the FIM and Dorna by 3rd October at the latest. The final decision will be announced by the GP Commission by 18th October at the latest.
Mr. Ezpeleta commented, `We postponed the decision until today so that we could get more ideas and opinions about it. Finally we decided, the Grand Prix Commission, unanimously, for safety reasons and to reduce costs that we would go to a one tyre rule. Now the FIM ask for a tender, which means that the tyre manufacturers who are interested in competing for the tender must send their offers before next Saturday. From there we will study the different offers and then no later than 18th October the Grand Prix Commission will decide who will supply the tyres.´
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They say it's a done deal but if Michelin and Bridgestone don't send proposals, things could get really interesting.
The MSMA still has some tricks up its sleeve and some pull with the tire manufacturers. Break ranks and supply----you may never get your tires on a fireblade again!
If it does go through, it seems like this entire thing is going to be blamed on Aspar. He'd better hope to God he can come up with a rider and some funding. The MSMA will never forgive him if something can't be worked out at the last second to avert a control tire.
If it does go through, it seems like this entire thing is going to be blamed on Aspar. He'd better hope to God he can come up with a rider and some funding. The MSMA will never forgive him if something can't be worked out at the last second to avert a control tire.
I'd say it will be bridgestone. I'm not sure though - who's got more money? Who can grease more palms? I hate the whole idea.
Give it to Dunlop or Pirelli. Start them all on a clean slate.
Give it to Dunlop or Pirelli. Start them all on a clean slate.
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I would expect that Michelin will give this a pretty good go, they haven't been that bad (Laguna etc. was) but the perception of ineptitude is greater than the reality.
I think the Ducati deal that was mooted was a real attempt by someone to keep tyre competition alive, it may have been too little too late.
Lobbying and pressure from the two tyre companies MAY reverse the decision in any case. I was under the impression that Bridgestone did not want to be the sole supplier and Michelin did not want to drop out. So who wins?
Lex, the theory that this is about controlling racing more than allowing racing looks pretty damn good right now.
Irony would be the headline that Pirelli or Dunlop are proud to announce...
I think the Ducati deal that was mooted was a real attempt by someone to keep tyre competition alive, it may have been too little too late.
Lobbying and pressure from the two tyre companies MAY reverse the decision in any case. I was under the impression that Bridgestone did not want to be the sole supplier and Michelin did not want to drop out. So who wins?
Lex, the theory that this is about controlling racing more than allowing racing looks pretty damn good right now.
Irony would be the headline that Pirelli or Dunlop are proud to announce...
at least with either one of those two it would be a real fair start for the whole field. If they choose either Michies or Bridgies some teams will have a disadvantage.
Wow. Nick Harris is chatting about the single tyre rule. I can't believe they are actually doing it.
I think that this sucks..
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I think that this sucks..
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Welcome guys to motoF1. Spec ECU, no after race celebrations and robo pilots...
yes racing will be exciting as ever..
Maybe this'll give the satellites and privateers a better chance. Here's hoping, anyway. If it brings more bikes and more competition onto the grid it could be good.
i see they used they wheeled out the "safety and costs" excuse again.
how many times will we just accept that ........?
its about trying to improve the show which = more money for dorna. thats all this is about and the manipulation by dorna is sickening.
i hope the tyre chosen for '09 is a currently uninvolved brand to keep everything as fair as possible for next season.
and will there be a media ban on tyre cussing like there is in WSB? to keep the supplier looking good...
how many times will we just accept that ........?
its about trying to improve the show which = more money for dorna. thats all this is about and the manipulation by dorna is sickening.
i hope the tyre chosen for '09 is a currently uninvolved brand to keep everything as fair as possible for next season.
and will there be a media ban on tyre cussing like there is in WSB? to keep the supplier looking good...
Be funny if Michelin got it, can see the protests coming
In all fairness tho, they have been around a very long time!
In all fairness tho, they have been around a very long time!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 28 2008, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>They say it's a done deal but if Michelin and Bridgestone don't send proposals, things could get really interesting.
The MSMA still has some tricks up its sleeve and some pull with the tire manufacturers. Break ranks and supply----you may never get your tires on a fireblade again!
If it does go through, it seems like this entire thing is going to be blamed on Aspar. He'd better hope to God he can come up with a rider and some funding. The MSMA will never forgive him if something can't be worked out at the last second to avert a control tire.
Lex, are you sure that you live in Texas. And what are your real ties with Takanao and the MSMA?
If it does go through, it seems like this entire thing is going to be blamed on Aspar. He'd better hope to God he can come up with a rider and some funding. The MSMA will never forgive him if something can't be worked out at the last second to avert a control tire.
Lex, are you sure that you live in Texas. And what are your real ties with Takanao and the MSMA?
Not overly concerned with it tbh, will remove one variable which has played a major role lately and should see more consistent battles up front.
I kinda want it to be Michelin but we will see.
I kinda want it to be Michelin but we will see.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ospi @ Sep 28 2008, 08:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not overly concerned with it tbh, will remove one variable which has played a major role lately and should see more consistent battles up front.
I kinda want it to be Michelin but we will see.
+1...... sort of
but, where are we going to stop ? why don't we just make it single manufacturer too
I kinda want it to be Michelin but we will see.
+1...... sort of
but, where are we going to stop ? why don't we just make it single manufacturer too
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Sep 28 2008, 04:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Irony would be the headline that Pirelli or Dunlop are proud to announce...
Dunlops going for it would not be a bad idea or that far fetched considering they already supply pretty much all th 125s and 250s....so money is not a problem for them...
Dunlops going for it would not be a bad idea or that far fetched considering they already supply pretty much all th 125s and 250s....so money is not a problem for them...
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Come on, do you really like to watch riders having a chance of winning or losing on any given track, mostly according to the brand of tires they are on?
A control tire in MotoGP would actually be a good thing--unless you want to see Yamaha, Honda and also Ducati all with split garages next season! Since no manufacturer want to be cut off the winning chances on some tracks, which is what happens (at best it would be 50-50) with the dual suppliers.
Not only that, but slowing down the tire development is the easiest way to avoid increasing corner speeds further, which could also allow for closer races. Such a frenzy of tire development does not serve any real purpose for stock production. Just like track and corner-specific traction control, which has no application outside a track.
Today in motegi, on same tires, Pedro and Lorenzo would have stayed with the top two until the end.
A control tire in MotoGP would actually be a good thing--unless you want to see Yamaha, Honda and also Ducati all with split garages next season! Since no manufacturer want to be cut off the winning chances on some tracks, which is what happens (at best it would be 50-50) with the dual suppliers.
Not only that, but slowing down the tire development is the easiest way to avoid increasing corner speeds further, which could also allow for closer races. Such a frenzy of tire development does not serve any real purpose for stock production. Just like track and corner-specific traction control, which has no application outside a track.
Today in motegi, on same tires, Pedro and Lorenzo would have stayed with the top two until the end.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Sep 28 2008, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Come on, do you really like to watch riders having a chance of winning or losing on any given track, mostly according to the brand of tires they are on?
A control tire in MotoGP would actually be a good thing--unless you want to see Yamaha, Honda and also Ducati all with split garages next season! Since no manufacturer want to be cut off the winning chances on some tracks, which is what happens (at best it would be 50-50) with the dual suppliers.
Not only that, but slowing down the tire development is the easiest way to avoid increasing corner speeds further, which could also allow for closer races. Such a frenzy of tire development does not serve any real purpose for stock production. Just like track and corner-specific traction control, which has no application outside a track.
Today in motegi, on same tires, Pedro and Lorenzo would have stayed with the top two until the end.
Pedro was on Bridgestone’s wasn't he??? I thought the Pedro to B/S deal was immediate.
A control tire in MotoGP would actually be a good thing--unless you want to see Yamaha, Honda and also Ducati all with split garages next season! Since no manufacturer want to be cut off the winning chances on some tracks, which is what happens (at best it would be 50-50) with the dual suppliers.
Not only that, but slowing down the tire development is the easiest way to avoid increasing corner speeds further, which could also allow for closer races. Such a frenzy of tire development does not serve any real purpose for stock production. Just like track and corner-specific traction control, which has no application outside a track.
Today in motegi, on same tires, Pedro and Lorenzo would have stayed with the top two until the end.
Pedro was on Bridgestone’s wasn't he??? I thought the Pedro to B/S deal was immediate.
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