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Gran Premio Motul de la Comunitat Valenciana 2022

Keshav

Keshav

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Whelp! Here it comes. I do love it when it comes down the last race. I'd love to see the best racer win the championship, however if instead Pecco takes it - I have promised myself to not be a wet dishrag over it. He put in the rides.
 
It’s a foregone conclusion. I cannot see Fabio winning and Pecco only getting a point or zero. Stranger things have happened, but still.
 
Nothing in racing is a foregone conclusion before the race, except that the lights will go out at the start and the checkered flag will drop at the finish.
 
Keshav said:
Whelp! Here it comes. I do love it when it comes down the last race. I'd love to see the best racer win the championship, however if instead Pecco takes it - I have promised myself to not be a wet dishrag over it. He put in the rides.
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Happy Birthday Kancer. Let’s hope at least one person in your life doesn’t wishi it to be your last. Though that is highly unlikely

 
Yeah I'd like to see Fabio win.
He doesn't have the bike but the wheels have fallen off a bit after the mid-season break.
It ain't happening.

They better get some power for that thing next year.
Can't see that really either though.
 
I want Fabio to win it too. I like Pecco, but the drink driving and Dennis Rodman helmet incidents aren’t good. He’s also got the best bike and plenty of backup. Fabio has had to work so hard just to be in the mix and it’s fallen apart.
 
Well I am in Fabs’ camp too. But…….of course it’s the results that count when the points are tallied up. No matter which rider is “better.”
For next year, Yamaha better find Fabio some engine and a better bike all around. Yamaha is seriously behind. Gigi won’t be asleep at the wheel. And Fabio needs to get even stronger mentally, which has been an issue for him in my opinion this year. Seems like he’ll have a dozen Ducatis to contend with.

Riders should not reveal their strategies, strengths, weaknesses or any other details that could aid the opposition in any way on camera or on the record, period. The only current top rider who appears to understand this and live by it is Marc Marquez. You don’t win a war (and racing is war) by putting all your cards on the table and being a nice guy. Not to say you can’t or shouldn’t be a nice guy in other areas of life. When you are speaking to reporters you deflect, dissimulate and lie while being charming, blathering generalities and smiling. The point is to get camera time and please the sponsors as well as Dorna. rossi was very good at it.
 
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I can easily see Bags getting a DNF but I can't imagine Fabs winning the race.

Anyways, unpopular opinion: Bagnaia deserves to win the championship. Fabio's second half of the season has been shocking and I can't believe when I read so many people (not here) who think he would be the deserved winner, inferior machinery or not.
 
Bagnaia is more than capable of binning it, there's no doubt about that. But Fabio winning the race is highly unlikely. Really cannot see him getting a front row start, the hole shot and holding off the Ducatis on the straight.

While I agree that Fabio has had a dire second half to the season, it's not like Bagnaia is an overwhelmingly deserving winner. Coming back from 90 odd points behind is great, but the form that got him that far behind was poor. So both have had highs and lows this year.

It hasnt been a vintage season, but Fabio coming back to snatch it on Sunday would certainly help in the drama stakes.
 
Olivavu said:
Bagnaia is more than capable of binning it, there's no doubt about that. But Fabio winning the race is highly unlikely. Really cannot see him getting a front row start, the hole shot and holding off the Ducatis on the straight.

While I agree that Fabio has had a dire second half to the season, it's not like Bagnaia is an overwhelmingly deserving winner. Coming back from 90 odd points behind is great, but the form that got him that far behind was poor. So both have had highs and lows this year.

It hasnt been a vintage season, but Fabio coming back to snatch it on Sunday would certainly help in the drama stakes.
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Was going to say the same thing, Bagnaia had several races where he wasn’t exactly performing under pressure either.

It now looks as though a few mid top 10 finishes instead of dnfs would have had FQ in with a genuine chance. As you say anything can happen in motorsports cf Rossi in 2006 who was at almost as unbackable odds going into this race, and a mechanical dnf is also always on the cards. Can’t see FQ beating everyone else as you say though, particularly every other Ducati rider, should something occur.

This is why my money is on MM for next year, even on the current horrible bike and without full arm strength 5th looks to be about his worst result riding conservatively, which he will do next year at least while he has a chance at the title imo, he really, really wants to match and then surpass Rossi for premier class titles won. I suspect Honda will put in a strong effort as well, Red Bull are taking over their F1 engine next season as I understand it. The only caveat I have on MM is whether he can guide HRC appropriately however, Puig’s dismissal of Pedrosa, which seemed to be motivated by revenge/to settle an old score, who was well proven to be able to guide development for HRC is not looking very smart, particularly given the lack of results from his successors. Whether Honda can overcome not having bespoke software is another question I guess.
 
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Rossi had it all.
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And lost it.
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Anyways, unpopular opinion: Bagnaia deserves to win the championship.
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If he gets the points needed he deserves to win the championship.
Olivavu said:
While I agree that Fabio has had a dire second half to the season, it's not like Bagnaia is an overwhelmingly deserving winner. Coming back from 90 odd points behind is great, but the form that got him that far behind was poor. So both have had highs and lows this year.
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This is true. Though the stakes could not be higher, due to MM not being around or not in the best shape, the dominant rider of the era was not at roll call when these young riders stuffed themselves into the breach the last couple of years. It is a rare new rider who can come in, not make mistakes and dominate right off the bat like MM did. Especially in a super competitive environment like we have now. Even though Ducati appear to have the best bike, it’s not the best by a mile. Yet. Today Dorna attempts to keep the field bunched up with a lot of silly rules to attempt to ensure that.
Arguably, sometimes the rider/bike combination seemed to be unbeatable when it showed up, like Roberts/Yamaha or Spencer/Honda. But this was in an era when the manufacturers could do a lot more with the prototype status of the class than they can today. If they had and wanted to spend the money. The top manufacturers then did both, today I am not so sure. I think Honda may want to focus on airplanes and such, whereas Ducati seems to want to be the Harley of the sport bike world.

But of the two, Ducati seems to be more determined than Honda at the moment, especially with now old man Puig doing his Darth Vader routine. Yamaha needs a kick in the ....

Let’s see who wins on Sunday!
 
At the end of the day Pecco needs to finish in the top 14 even if Fabio wins. As long as he doesnt get wiped out by someone else then he's got it in the bag. Fabio isn't racing Bagnaia, he's racing all the other Ducati's.

Funny how Valencia used to be a bogey track for them and last yr they got a 1,2,3.
 
I wouldn’t put much money on Fabio to even win the race, let alone the title. Pecco has had a habit of falling off when under pressure, but he’s not been as susceptible for that of late.
 
Pecco is going to be protected by a Wolf-pack of Ducatis. Obviously qualifying plays a big part but if you are Pecco, do you try to get out front or settle for riding mid-pack and bringing it home?
 
6 wins and 5 DNF Versus 3 wins and 3 DNF

Both are deserving of the title.

But I do not see Quartaro being able to beat every other Ducati on that track and have Bagnaia fall, the sheer logistics of the achievement if Quartararo was to win the title is enourmous.

If Quartaro is leading, the sea of Ducati will part for Bagnaia to ensure that he is well positioned and likewise, that same sea will not part for Quartararo
 

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