Gran Premi Monster Energy de Catalunya(spoilers mixed with stoner/rossi talk)

Great ride by Rossi, Marquez was letting it all hang out then did the smart thing after he made the mistake.

On the Iannone situation, I wonder if part of the cause was Lorenzos really slow pace, for someone who normally holds great corner speed he was really struggling in the corners. Iannone tipped in and was ready to take the corner like normal then at the last second saw how fast he was closing on Lorenzo hit the skids but it wasn't enough. I'm personally giving Iannone a pass on this case because I do believe he wasn't a tempting a pass not from the line he took.

Honda must have sorted something out with Pedro being up in third. With Assen and Sachsenring coming out Marquez *could* extend that lead to 25 points or so.

Jack Miller up in 10th!!!!!!

With his pace being that much faster than Lorenzos and at times Pedrosa and still struggling to pass I can't see Vinaeles beating Marquez anytime soon when he jumps on the yam

Keshav said:

And if he loses.... will you .... off into the distance and sob into your pillow like all the other boppers do after Rossi suffers a disappointing season?

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Did Rossi win last season? I'm still here and luvin it. We WON today! Wooo!!

I congratulate all the riders when they have a good race. The anti-Rossi crowd can't handle it when he has a good performance, they have to find something outside of the race to ..... about.

p4p1 said:

Great ride by Rossi, Marquez was letting it all hang out then did the smart thing after he made the mistake.

On the Iannone situation, I wonder if part of the cause was Lorenzos really slow pace, for someone who normally holds great corner speed he was really struggling in the corners. Iannone tipped in and was ready to take the corner like normal then at the last second saw how fast he was closing on Lorenzo hit the skids but it wasn't enough. I'm personally giving Iannone a pass on this case because I do believe he wasn't a tempting a pass not from the line he took.

Honda must have sorted something out with Pedro being up in third. With Assen and Sachsenring coming out Marquez *could* extend that lead to 25 points or so.

Jack Miller up in 10th!!!!!!

With his pace being that much faster than Lorenzos and at times Pedrosa and still struggling to pass I can't see Vinaeles beating Marquez anytime soon when he jumps on the yam

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Just to double check. You are saying it is okay for the faster rider to run over a slower rider in a corner if he is in the way?

Is the for all riders or just when folks plow Jorge?


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moto vudu said:

Did Rossi win last season? I'm still here and luvin it. We WON today! Wooo!!

I congratulate all the riders when they have a good race. The anti-Rossi crowd can't handle it when he has a good performance, they have to find something outside of the race to ..... about.

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WE didn't win anything, Rossi won, Yamaha won. But you Either by yourself or as a collective did not win anything.

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WE didn't win anything, Rossi won, Yamaha won. But you Either by yourself or as a collective did not win anything.

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Saying WE won helps to further piss off the anti-Rossi crowd. It works, try it.

WVMotoGP99 said:

Just to double check. You are saying it is okay for the faster rider to run over a slower rider in a corner if he is in the way?

Is the for all riders or just when folks plow Jorge?


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No I'm saying he didn't do it on purpose, I'm giving him the pass in the sense that I'm not convinced he made a stupid move just simply a normally fast rider riding much slower through a corner than he expected. I just don't think it was a pass attempt given how he had tipped into the corner and seemed to be taking a pretty standard line around it.

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No I'm saying he didn't do it on purpose, I'm giving him the pass in the sense that I'm not convinced he made a stupid move just simply a normally fast rider riding much slower through a corner than he expected. I just don't think it was a pass attempt given how he had tipped into the corner and seemed to be taking a pretty standard line around it.

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Maybe if it is was his first time this year, maybe..

But I think you correct. He went into the corner way to hot, wasn't going to keep his line regardless and took out another rider.. Totally his fault for going into the corner to hot. Not sure how that gets a pass..

Anytime someone goes into a corner to hot.. Their fault. If they collect someone else during, their fault..


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WVMotoGP99 said:

Maybe if it is was his first time this year, maybe..

But I think you correct. He went into the corner way to hot, wasn't going to keep his line regardless and took out another rider.. Totally his fault for going into the corner to hot. Not sure how that gets a pass..

Anytime someone goes into a corner to hot.. Their fault. If they collect someone else during, their fault..


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I'm just wondering if it was hotter than he would normally go in or Lorenzos pace had slowed that much that it put everything out hugely because he realised at the last moment that Lorenzo (relatively) was crawling around the corner and tried to brake.

Edit: the fact it's not his first time makes me think everyone could be just assuming he majorly ...... up again rather than he wrongly assumed someone else's corner speed.

Waiting for conspiracy theories on Rossi-Marquez parc ferme incident today.

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moto vudu said:

Did Rossi win last season? I'm still here and luvin it. We WON today! Wooo!!

I congratulate all the riders when they have a good race. The anti-Rossi crowd can't handle it when he has a good performance, they have to find something outside of the race to ..... about.

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You're so completely clueless. I can't stand Rossi as a human being - but I loved the race and give him full credit for riding as well as he did at his age.

What you don't seem able to grasp is that a large component of why there is so much disdain for Rossi, is the kind of mindless ..... fans he attracts, ergo, it's your ceaseless jibberish and incapacity for objectivity regarding anything to do with Rossi, that tips the scales from strong dislike to utter contempt, further polarizing so many people. You think in some confused fashion that you are somehow better than people who don't like Rossi - but the act of throwing gas on the fire, only makes you look worse.

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I'm just wondering if it was hotter than he would normally go in or Lorenzos pace had slowed that much that it put everything out hugely because he realised at the last moment that Lorenzo (relatively) was crawling around the corner and tried to brake.

Edit: the fact it's not his first time makes me think everyone could be just assuming he majorly ...... up again rather than he wrongly assumed someone else's corner speed.

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Lorenzo's corner speed really doesn't have anything to do with it. When was the slower rider to blame for being run over?

Basically blaming the old lady that got ran over for not getting her ... across the street fast enough.


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I'm just wondering if it was hotter than he would normally go in or Lorenzos pace had slowed that much that it put everything out hugely because he realised at the last moment that Lorenzo (relatively) was crawling around the corner and tried to brake.

Edit: the fact it's not his first time makes me think everyone could be just assuming he majorly ...... up again rather than he wrongly assumed someone else's corner speed.

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Even if Lorenzo wasn't there, he never would have made it around that corner. He would have ran way wide at best, more likely clear off track, Ono. The fact the back end of his bike was a foot off of the ground proves that.

WVMotoGP99 said:

Lorenzo's corner speed really doesn't have anything to do with it. When was the slower rider to blame for being run over?

Basically blaming the old lady that got ran over for not getting her ... across the street fast enough.


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I'm not blaming Lorenzo, where did I say that? I simply said that it looked to me like a misjudgment rather than a stupid pass attempt. You're reading into something that's not there and assuming that I hate Lorenzo which I don't.

moto vudu said:

Saying WE won helps to further piss off the anti-Rossi crowd. It works, try it.

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No, not really. It just confirms your vacuous view of the sport your status as pathetic fan-boys living vicariously through
a guy in a colorful leather suit who doesn't know (or care) if you exist. The fact that you expend so much energy trying to
get a rise out of total strangers (who also don't care if you live or die) is yet further evidence of the paucity of your inner life,
and lack of useful social skills with which to attract actual friends.

Iowegian said:

Even if Lorenzo wasn't there, he never would have made it around that corner. He would have ran way wide at best, more likely clear off track, Ono. The fact the back end of his bike was a foot off of the ground proves that.

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Except it only came off the ground when he hits the brakes after he's tipped in and realises that he's about to hit Lorenzo.

moto vudu said:

Your brief race summary contains no mention of Rossi's performance, just the regular negativity. You can never post of the events of a race from an neutral viewpoint. You're committed to being anti-Rossi no matter what and I like that, because if he manages to win the championship, will do my best to make this forum hell for you during the off-season.

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I don't congratulate Rossi because he does not deserve it, he tried to murder the guy who extended his hand out to him today. And if you have any delusion of what could happen in an unexpected crash, look no further than this event! He has yet to apologize or express remorse. You don't care about a man's character, you overlook it for whatever delusion you have of the man.

There was a quarterback here that used to torture dogs. He was momentarily banned from the NFL, but them returned after "rehab". At least he apologized publicly, but I never cheered for him either. Nor do I recognize his "accomplishments" as legit. But by in large the world we live in overlooks it in favor of athletic prowess.

I have no reason to praise anything that 'appears' Rossi has "accomplished" on the track. He wouldn't be sitting on that M1 now if the sport sanctioned him like other sports do when you deliberately put a fellow competitor's life in danger. As I have said, a soccer player was banned 9 months for kicking another player in the back, what then should happen to a rider who deliberately crashes another out? This season is representative of Rossi's GP career, he simply doesn't compete on a level playing field, and I know there must be many intangibles that influence what you naively perceive as "results". Believe me, I know my words are wasted on your ilk. Hell, he wouldn't be sitting on that M1 right now if the League's CEO of the sport hadn't brokered the deal. So I view all of Rossi’s "results" as a product of influence doping.

Many on the other hand can look at today's "results" at face value. But for me Rossi's finishing order has no more legitimacy than his "podium" at Sepang.

I know you don't understand it or accept it, heck there were three-quarters of a million Vudu's signing a petition to get the rules changed so that you could celebrate another ........ accolade. It will be no different when Rossi "wins" again, because authentic competition doesn't matter to people like you. I see no distinction between a rider allowed to circulate after deserving a disqualification at Sepang and now circulating wilst deserving a ban.

That QB that I told you about. The league and public could have decided not to sanction the player for torturing dogs. After all, torturing dogs is not done on the field of play. But for some reason the public outcry was strong enough that the league took action. But as you and many reason, that QB could have easily continued playing by your standards. And a good argument could have been made actually. But people like me wouldn't have recognized him or praised him for any athletic ability or "accomplishments". What Rossi did was in the field of play however, and deserves to be serving a ban as we speak. Fine for you, not for me.

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I'm not blaming Lorenzo, where did I say that? I simply said that it looked to me like a misjudgment rather than a stupid pass attempt. You're reading into something that's not there and assuming that I hate Lorenzo which I don't.

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Oh.. I agree. It was another move he just totally made an error, misjudge his speed, line, everything.. Totally agree, was not a passing attempt.. But, that doesn't give him a pass. A stupid misjudgment in passing or a stupid misjudgment going into a corner to hot, is still a stupid move and he has to own it. That is all I am saying..


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moto vudu said:

So Lorenzo gets a DNF and Rossi schools Marquez at his home track. JPS and Jumkie will be writing walls of text to try to discredit this Rossi victory. They're absolutely furious now.

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For posterity. You, were the first person to introduce negativity regarding Rossi at Barcelona - in this thread. This is a large part of why boppers are so widely reviled.

Great race. Though I would've preferred MM beating VR, there is nothing to take away from the old man. Wasn't gifted anything, MM kept him honest till the end, he held his nerves and took victory.

On the handshake. It was good of Marc to approach Vale and it was good of Vale to accept. And yes, it was the 'right' moment after what had happened on friday and after they had a great, clean battle.

What I loved most about the race was the atmosphere on track. MM and VR fans (plus some JL and others) mixed together, and more or less everyone cheering together. Applause for both riders from both 'camps'. Everyone loving the sport and celebrating it. And many couples/friends/groups split evenly in VR46 and MM93 merchandise, seemingly unbothered by this bullshitting 'war' that was going on. And yes, big applause for the handshake, a great feeling of relief and hope that things might return to adult ways from now on. I was sat at the first corner, Zona F.

Great atmosphere, great visibility over more than just the corner in front of you, ...... toilets though much better than Brno, but the beer (non-alcohol only) cost 5x as much, seriously. And hardly any traffic jam after the race, took me maybe 5 mins longer to return than on friday or saturday.

sewarion said:

Great race. Though I would've preferred MM beating VR, there is nothing to take away from the old man. Wasn't gifted anything, MM kept him honest till the end, he held his nerves and took victory.

On the handshake. It was good of Marc to approach Vale and it was good of Vale to accept. And yes, it was the 'right' moment after what had happened on friday and after they had a great, clean battle.

What I loved most about the race was the atmosphere on track. MM and VR fans (plus some JL and others) mixed together, and more or less everyone cheering together. Applause for both riders from both 'camps'. Everyone loving the sport and celebrating it. And many couples/friends/groups split evenly in VR46 and MM93 merchandise, seemingly unbothered by this bullshitting 'war' that was going on. And yes, big applause for the handshake, a great feeling of relief and hope that things might return to adult ways from now on. I was sat at the first corner, Zona F.

Great atmosphere, great visibility over more than just the corner in front of you, ...... toilets though much better than Brno, but the beer (non-alcohol only) cost 5x as much, seriously. And hardly any traffic jam after the race, took me maybe 5 mins longer to return than on friday or saturday.

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The absence of booing was a welcome change. Good to see Marky pat Vale on the shoulder at the presser. His smile seemed 100% authentic. Their past will doubtless fuel some good racing as the season progresses, but it would appear that the bitterness is something they want to put in the past. Too bad it took the death of a fellow rider for them to put the ........ in perspective. Now, if only the fans can do the same.