Gran Premi Monster Energy de Catalunya(spoilers mixed with stoner/rossi talk)

Little Walter · Jun 6, 2016

Daniboy said:
Why don't you stop making stupid assumptions, I have followed the sport for the best part of FOUR decades and also will post Rossi. You post like a complete .....

I repeat; If you can show me where I ever said I was angry because Rossi won, I will quit the forum. But if you cannot find such a post, will you admit that you make up crap all the time and are generally full of ....?

And as I said in that same post - you can't find any post where I indicated I was "angry" that Rossi had won.

I predicted in that post that you would, as per usual, have nothing substantive to say by way of reply, that you would side-step the question and you have as usual proven me right. This is your standard modus operandi. That's why nobody other than a few transient boppers like yourself have any regard for you.

And FYI, I don't make assumptions. I do make observations and offer opinions based on empirical evidence and a tolerably good capacity to judge character based on past exhibited behavior.

danski · Jun 6, 2016

Little Walter said:
I repeat; If you can show me where I ever said I was angry because Rossi won, I will quit the forum. But if you cannot find such a post, will you admit that you make up crap all the time and are generally full of ....?

And as I said in that same post - you can't find any post where I indicated I was "angry" that Rossi had won.

I predicted in that post that you would, as per usual, have nothing substantive to say by way of reply, that you would side-step the question and you have as usual proven me right. This is your standard modus operandi. That's why nobody other than a few transient boppers like yourself have any regard for you.

And FYI, I don't make assumptions. I do make observations and offer opinions based on empirical evidence and a tolerably good capacity to judge character based on past exhibited behavior.

I make up crap all the time and am generally full of ...., there you go buddy! Did you enjoy the races yesterday? BTW you didn't say you were angry, but as sure as night follows day you definitely are.

nomad · Jun 6, 2016

Keshav said:
First and foremost... I never used the word hate. I said dislike. There's a world of difference.

Secondly: Apparently you lack awareness of the concept known as Cause and Effect.

For instance, I generally find that Buddhists I've met are very agreeable people to associate with and since the one living person who most influences the behavior of that segment of society is the Dalai Lama, I think very highly of him, despite not being a Buddhist myself.

See how that works?

So you can get the measure of a man by their fans\supporters? I must have missed a meeting. To carry on your analogy. Mohammed Ali was loved the world over but by all accounts, was not a very nice man. Rossi is loved by millions, and has his fair share of boppers, but by all accounts is a really nice bloke and is very down to earth. Go figure.

nomad · Jun 6, 2016

Jumkie said:
That's why I asked if 'manslaughter' is better.

Drunk drivers don't set out to kill people, but their actions often do. It may sound nicer to say the driver didn't mean to murder anyone. But the result is the same. The driver decided to do what he did, as much as Rossi decided to cause a crash based on his own perception. His decision to deliberately cause a crash could have resulted in death. We can call it manslaughter if you like. But you want it watered down further.

That drunk guy's bad DECISION resulted in an innocent person have a "bad prize" err died.

1. Decision=responsible
2. Cause=attempt
3. Crash=consequence
4. Possible: nothing, injury, death
5. Description: "bad prizes"= manslaughter=murder.

Your issue is "intent". Ok, so let's call it Rossi attempted manslaughter. He didn't mean to murder him, though it could have resulted in death, like manslaughter. Better?

Fair play, you're well and truly on your own in this thinking.

Little Walter · Jun 6, 2016

Daniboy said:
I make up crap all the time and am generally full of ...., there you go buddy! Did you enjoy the races yesterday? BTW you didn't say you were angry, but as sure as night follows day you definitely are.

First honest thing you've said since you arrived.

Context you see, is everything. I said I wasn't angry when Rossi won.

You BTW are not worth getting angry at. You're a minor irritation only.

See there's a smiley to prove it.

danski · Jun 6, 2016

Little Walter said:
First honest thing you've said since you arrived.

Context you see, is everything. I said I wasn't angry when Rossi won.

You BTW are not worth getting angry at. You're a minor irritation only.
See there's a smiley to prove it.

You avoided my question again fgs , I'll repeat it for clarity. Did you enjoy the races yesterday?

Keshav · Jun 6, 2016

nomad said:
So you can get the measure of a man by their fans\supporters? I must have missed a meeting. To carry on your analogy. Mohammed Ali was loved the world over but by all accounts, was not a very nice man. Rossi is loved by millions, and has his fair share of boppers, but by all accounts is a really nice bloke and is very down to earth. Go figure.

Mohammed Ali was a great athlete and respected for that in all quarters.

His religious views however, were for the most part suspect. And no he wasn't universally or uncritically admired. While I thought highly of him in the ring - he always seemed like a blabber-mouth clown outside the ring. I haven't read bios of him and never found him compelling enough to want to read about him in depth, but I've never read anything negative about him with regards to his personal dealings with other people.

I thought the whole Nation Of Islam thing was a joke because their version of Islam was so laughably .......ized and centered on silly myths about white devils etc and all the other nonsense that came from the mouth Elijah Mohammed. On the other hand, I appreciate that in that era when black Americans were so badly treated that any organization that fostered self-respect and a sense of security and belonging to black people in the era of Jim Crow - would necessarily be very appealing. So I always felt that
while I disliked what Elijah Mohammed preached, that Ali deserved a pass
in that while he often spoke of the abuse he suffered as a result of racism,
he never went around preaching hatred toward whites. I suspect if there
were not cameras following him around 24 hours a day, his religious views
would have been more of a private affair.

So - not having any knowledge of Ali ever mistreating people or being at the center of any kind of fraud or malfeasance - I cannot comment on that. I don't know about "by all accounts".

Again you use the phrase "by all accounts" referring to Rossi in some generic, hazy way, but if you were to critically access Rossi as a person, there are many negative stories about him, and no, they are not only on Powerslide. The stories abound, if only you have eyes to see them.

JPSLotus · Jun 6, 2016

nomad said:
Fair play, you're well and truly on your own in this thinking.

Nah he isn't on his own.

I wrote up about how a NHL hockey player found himself convicted of assault and out of the league for good for intentionally hitting an opponent in the head. What Rossi did was just as bad, if not worse than what that player did because of the consequences that can arise from crashing on a motorcycle.

Frankly, if you did that on public roads to a fellow motorcyclist, you would be charged with attempted murder.

moto vudu · Jun 6, 2016

There are many negative stories about anyone who becomes famous. Just obtaining success and fame will make a certain percentage of people hate you.

Jumkie · Jun 6, 2016

moto vudu said:
There are many negative stories about anyone who becomes famous. Just obtaining success and fame will make a certain percentage of people hate you.

Sometimes those stories are true.

moto vudu · Jun 6, 2016

Jumkie said:
Sometimes those stories are true.

True, but a person should always be true to themselves. I think most Rossi fans are aware that he is a savage competitor on track, but generally a fun loving guy off of it. He has more fans than haters and has risen to a level higher than any motorcycle racer before him.

michaelm · Jun 6, 2016

moto vudu said:
True, but a person should always be true to themselves. I think most Rossi fans are aware that he is a savage competitor on track, but generally a fun loving guy off of it. He has more fans than haters and has risen to a level higher than any motorcycle racer before him.

I mostly disagree with you, but you usually argue your side of things better than this.

You actually raise the crux of the argument for most of your opponents. I absolutely disagree that having the most fans means he should be treated differently than other riders.

moto vudu · Jun 6, 2016

michaelm said:
I mostly disagree with you, but you usually argue your side of things better than this.

You actually raise the crux of the argument for most of your opponents. I absolutely disagree that having the most fans means he should be treated differently than other riders.

When did I say that having the most fans means he should be treated differently? I think that Rossi having more fans than haters means he has done something right, but it's not possible for him to please everyone no matter what he does.

WVMotoGP99 · Jun 6, 2016

Keshav said:
Mohammed Ali was a great athlete and respected for that in all quarters.

His religious views however, were for the most part suspect. And no he wasn't universally or uncritically admired. While I thought highly of him in the ring - he always seemed like a blabber-mouth clown outside the ring. I haven't read bios of him and never found him compelling enough to want to read about him in depth, but I've never read anything negative about him with regards to his personal dealings with other people.

I thought the whole Nation Of Islam thing was a joke because their version of Islam was so laughably .......ized and centered on silly myths about white devils etc and all the other nonsense that came from the mouth Elijah Mohammed. On the other hand, I appreciate that in that era when black Americans were so badly treated that any organization that fostered self-respect and a sense of security and belonging to black people in the era of Jim Crow - would necessarily be very appealing. So I always felt that

while I disliked what Elijah Mohammed preached, that Ali deserved a pass

in that while he often spoke of the abuse he suffered as a result of racism,

he never went around preaching hatred toward whites. I suspect if there

were not cameras following him around 24 hours a day, his religious views

would have been more of a private affair.

So - not having any knowledge of Ali ever mistreating people or being at the center of any kind of fraud or malfeasance - I cannot comment on that. I don't know about "by all accounts".

Again you use the phrase "by all accounts" referring to Rossi in some generic, hazy way, but if you were to critically access Rossi as a person, there are many negative stories about him, and no, they are not only on Powerslide. The stories abound, if only you have eyes to see them.

Only time Ali was a "blabber-mouth clown" was per fight. Ali was, and will always be, the master of trash talk and psyching some one out. He had some fight beat before they even stepped food in the ring. Out side of per fight ........., I know of no time he was a "blabber-mouth clown". He answered questions and stood by he faith, for good or bad, but never "blabber-mouth" about it.

I am sure this is going to go over like a lead ballon, but, isn't all religion based on some part of silly myths?

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Gaz · Jun 6, 2016

moto vudu said:
There are many negative stories about anyone who becomes famous. Just obtaining success and fame will make a certain percentage of people hate you.

moto vudu said:
True, but a person should always be true to themselves. I think most Rossi fans are aware that he is a savage competitor on track, but generally a fun loving guy off of it. He has more fans than haters and has risen to a level higher than any motorcycle racer before him.

I have relayed stories on here in the past from people who have worked or assisted in MotoGP (not technicians, we are talking officials with some paid and some volunteer).

Many of these people have had their preconceptions of certain riders changed dramatically due to their race day or race evening interactions with these riders.

Some who have a reputation as being pricks have gained supporters from their actions, others who have the opposite reputations have lost supporters. The public and private faces of many of these people are vastly different depending on the environment, or as one person once put it to me 'to smile for the tv is easy, to smile in real life takes a lot more effort for some'

Jumkie · Jun 6, 2016

WVMotoGP99 said:
I am sure this is going to go over like a lead ballon, but, isn't all religion based on some part of silly myths?

Hahaha. I know you probably weren't trying to be funny, but this had me rolling.

Content Warning: Look ....... (.)(.)

michaelm · Jun 6, 2016

moto vudu said:
When did I say that having the most fans means he should be treated differently? I think that Rossi having more fans than haters means he has done something right, but it's not possible for him to please everyone no matter what he does.

I don't consider you a glory hunting fan, but having glory hunting fans means you are successful rather than anything else mostly. I have no problem acknowledging and crediting his success, but I don't believe it validates his character, and nor does having a lot of fans, particularly since many of them do not appear to have any great understanding of the sport they purport to follow as I have said previously.

(EDIT As I have also said my objection prior to that Sepang press conference was mainly to an element among his fans rather than him, although it now becomes apparent that even people who seemed to be fairly rational fans of his are prepared to justify almost anything he might choose to do. I now see him as fully complicit in the vilification of other riders by his fans, and consider that he employs those fans as a deliberate weapon.

I don't really see him as much different than another rather successful competitor, Lance Armstrong, as having become bigger than his sport and using his status to bully competitors. While others of your opponents may disagree, I actually don't think his success is down to cheating btw, I would classify only Jerez 2005, Sepang 2016 and (less heinous) the grid sweeping incident as cheating, and he was actually sanctioned for 2 of those 3 incidents).

moto vudu · Jun 6, 2016

michaelm said:
I don't consider you a glory hunting fan, but having glory hunting fans means you are successful rather than anything else mostly. I have no problem acknowledging and crediting his success, but I Don't believe it validates his character, and nor does having a lot of fans, particularly since many of them do not appear to have any great understanding of the sport they follow as I have said previously.

His success, riding style, and his crazy antics makes him a genuinely fun person to follow or watch. It's difficult to validate someone's character when you don't really know them personally. We all have our flaws and seeing the imperfections in someone can make it easier to relate to them. It's difficult to relate to someone who comes off as "perfect", because none of us are perfect so we perceive that person as being/acting fake.

michaelm · Jun 6, 2016

moto vudu said:
His success, riding style, and his crazy antics makes him a genuinely fun person to follow or watch. It's difficult to validate someone's character when you don't really know them personally. We all have our flaws and seeing the imperfections in someone can make it easier to relate to them. It's difficult to relate to someone who comes off as "perfect", because none of us are perfect so we perceive that person as being/acting fake.

See the edit of my previous post. Whether he has an appealing personality is a different question; my disapproval is rather of his character, as evidenced by his behaviour post PI last year and his long term employment of his fandom and influence to bully his competitors.

moto vudu · Jun 6, 2016

michaelm said:
See the edit of my previous post. Whether he has an appealing personality is a different question; my disapproval is rather of his character, as evidenced by his behaviour post PI last year and his long term employment of his fandom and influence to bully his competitors.

It's perfectly fine if you disapprove of his character. If Rossi had a character that you DID approve of, thousands of his current fans would probably NOT like him. It just so happens that he has a character type that you don't like, but others relate to.

I think Rossi's stardom in MotoGP is similar to Michael Jordan in NBA. He could bully competitors and use his stardom to sway refs to make calls in his favor. But you know that millions of people purchased tickets to go see him and often went home amazed at his performances.

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