Gran Premi Monster Energy de Catalunya(spoilers mixed with stoner/rossi talk)

birdman said:

If you say so

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ya i say so. what the .... motivation would he have purposely trading hard passes playing cat and mouse with MM while leading the championship towards the tail end of the season. please enlighten me.

steeeeeve said:

so you think Rossi was pulling that .... while leading the championship?
delusional.

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Why delusional? Rossi has done this before (slow the guy in front of him)... at Laguna 08 trying to win a championship. You assume Marquez was trying to slow Rossi down, why can't you assume Rossi was trying to slow Marc down? Honest question. If you 'believe' there was a 'tactic' at play, which tactic trumps the other?

Jumkie said:

Why delusional? Rossi has done this before (slow the guy in front of him)... at Laguna 08 trying to win a championship. You assume Marquez was trying to slow Rossi down, why can't you assume Rossi was trying to slow Marc down? Honest question. Of you believe there was a 'tactic' at play, which tactic trumps the other?

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truthful answer. I saw it with my own eyes. I could tell MM was faster. I am confident he could have motored off. as he did in PI. in laguna Casey had Rossi dead on the straights. Rossi could not hang with him down T1.
Honest question- do you really think Rossi was playing that tactic with MM? in that point of the championship?

steeeeeve said:

ya i say so. what the .... motivation would he have purposely trading hard passes playing cat and mouse with MM while leading the championship towards the tail end of the season. please enlighten me.

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Because Rossi was mad as hell. Did you miss the Sepang presser? Rossi was pissed with Marquez for PI. Lacking sleep over it apparently. Then its the race, Rossi watches Lorenzo blast past him and disappear up the road. Last but certainly not least, Rossi and Marquez engage in fierce but ultimately clean battle. You have a good handle on how riders think and feel at least in condemning Marquez. How did Rossi feel at that point. I say he had completely lost it and was doing everything to intimidate Marquez into backing down, only the kid clearly don't back down, until you accidently kick his brake lever that is.


Ive just witness Marquez be the better man, yet again, by congratulating Rossi, and display maturity, yet again, when he is still really still just a kid compared to Rossi. So the way he has behaved since Sepang gives me reason to both admire and believe his version over Rossi's.

NOT interesting. Tiresome.

steeeeeve said:

truthful answer. I saw it with my own eyes. I could tell MM was faster. I am confident he could have motored off. as he did in PI. in laguna Casey had Rossi dead on the straights. Rossi could not hang with him down T1.
Honest question- do you really think Rossi was playing that tactic with MM? in that point of the championship?

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With your own eyes while wearing yellow tinted glasses that is.

You're confident despite Marquez having struggled all year with a full tank, having ran wide once or twice at the beginning of that race because of the bikes problems. Casey wasn't just faster on the straights either he was faster everywhere which is why Rossi had to slow him down at every opportunity.

birdman said:

Because Rossi was mad as hell. Did you miss the Sepang presser? Rossi was pissed with Marquez for PI. Lacking sleep over it apparently. Then its the race, Rossi watches Lorenzo blast past him and disappear up the road. Last but certainly not least, Rossi and Marquez engage in fierce but ultimately clean battle. You have a good handle on how riders think and feel at least in condemning Marquez. How did Rossi feel at that point. I say he had completely lost it and was doing everything to intimidate Marquez into backing down, only the kid clearly don't back down, until you accidently kick his brake lever that is.


Ive just witness Marquez be the better man, yet again, by congratulating Rossi, and display maturity, yet again, when he is still really still just a kid compared to Rossi. So the way he has behaved since Sepang gives me reason to both admire and believe his version over Rossi's.

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Well i do believe you think Rossi is that stupid. But I don't. I don't think he'd .... around cat and mouse with MM at that point in the championship just to make a point. makes no sense. i find it to be a birdbrain theory.
the thought that he could have motored off past MM & didn't is as i said earlier. delusional.

p4p1 said:

With your own eyes while wearing yellow tinted glasses that is.

You're confident despite Marquez having struggled all year with a full tank, having ran wide once or twice at the beginning of that race because of the bikes problems. Casey wasn't just faster on the straights either he was faster everywhere which is why Rossi had to slow him down at every opportunity.

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if he was faster everywhere he'd have won the race.

birdman said:

Because Rossi was mad as hell. Did you miss the Sepang presser? Rossi was pissed with Marquez for PI. Lacking sleep over it apparently. Then its the race, Rossi watches Lorenzo blast past him and disappear up the road. Last but certainly not least, Rossi and Marquez engage in fierce but ultimately clean battle. You have a good handle on how riders think and feel at least in condemning Marquez. How did Rossi feel at that point. I say he had completely lost it and was doing everything to intimidate Marquez into backing down, only the kid clearly don't back down, until you accidently kick his brake lever that is.


Ive just witness Marquez be the better man, yet again, by congratulating Rossi, and display maturity, yet again, when he is still really still just a kid compared to Rossi. So the way he has behaved since Sepang gives me reason to both admire and believe his version over Rossi's.

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MM is desperate to get some of his popularity back. guilty conscience. got to be wearing on him. Did you hear the crowd erupt when Rossi went by MM that first time? In Spain no less.

steeeeeve said:

MM is desperate to get some of his popularity back. guilty conscience. got to be wearing on him. Did you hear the crowd erupt when Rossi went by MM that first time? In Spain no less.

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MM is desperate, guilty, its wearing on him, hear the crowd, boo, hiss, Rossi erupts yeah......................................I'm the delusional one, and you sound delirious, and good for you, Rossi won, I have no probs with others being happy.

But Marquez, its wearing on him. Yeah, you wish buddy. Its wearing on him so bad he's leading the championship. At Mugello what did he say? I think it was along the lines of bodyguards? .... that I don't need no bodyguard.

But this race, I actually became a Marquez fan. He took responsibility, went to the safety meeting, and once again didn't get drawn into the ......... Then again with his past he needs to go to safety meetings. If not exonerated, he is gaining rapidly in maturity. particularly in comparison to JLo.

Lorenzo became the next Rossi for me this round, no wonder they cant occupy the same garage, 2 prima donna's too important and too popular to waste their precious time with safety, then whinging the circuit got changed.

steeeeeve said:

Well i do believe you think Rossi is that stupid. But I don't. I don't think he'd .... around cat and mouse with MM at that point in the championship just to make a point. makes no sense. i find it to be a birdbrain theory.
the thought that he could have motored off past MM & didn't is as i said earlier. delusional.

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Stupid? No mad, angry.

Oh he could of motored past just like Lorenzo with a clear head and a good nights sleep................................ and maybe then be 10 times now, alas wasn't to be was it.

steeeeeve said:

if he was faster everywhere he'd have won the race.

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Does not the same apply for all ?


Although in reality as you would well know, it is BS.

The track being split into sectors means that a rider may be fastest in three of the four sectors but may not be the fastest overall if they struggle with a specific sector and if that struggle is severe by comparison to a rider who may be more consistent.

To explain.

If a fast rider in a 4 sector lap covers each sector in 25 seconds, it give as a total lap time of 100 seconds.

Another rider may cover the first 3 sectors in 24 seconds per lap but then does 29 seconds in the last sector, thus giving him the lap time of 101 seconds, slower than the other rider despite looking faster.

A lap is a conglomerate of sectors and it is the overall time that matters, thus a consistently fast rider will often beat a rider who may look faster but has an issue with a sector.

No BS, but sector times are brilliant to watch and analyse if you are able whilst the race is in progress as when you compare the time vs the visual it can be very illuminating as to a number of aspects

steeeeeve said:

MM is desperate to get some of his popularity back. guilty conscience. got to be wearing on him. Did you hear the crowd erupt when Rossi went by MM that first time? In Spain no less.

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You have written this with two distinctly yellow tinged eyes (as is your want and as mentioned with you previously, there is no harm in that) but it is not just MM on whom negativity may have been impacting as VR copped a large dose for not being at the safety meeting (although I suspect he coppedt he bigger dose and size 12 up the backside for his reasons for not attending since Sepang ........... )

Yes, MM's popularity has taken a hit after the allegations of last year (irrespective of the side of the fence on which you sit) but I suspect that he has been able to do no more this year as the real component to ceasing the anger was not one for him to make as he had done all he could, but one can only shake a hand that is there for them to shake.

I went back and rewatched Iannone's torpedo on JL. It looks to me like JL was a bit off-line and he was turning into that corner very late compared to the line MM & VR were taking. That doesn't excuse Iannone for taking out JL, but I was looking to see if there was any evidence of JL making a mistake that maybe contributed to Iannone's error in judgement.

Consider at Austin when Dovi missed his braking point at turn 1 and that resulted in Pedrosa also missing his braking point then losing control as he went over the crest.

Little Walter said:

If you can show me where I ever said I was angry because Rossi won, I will quit the forum. But if you cannot find such a post, will you admit that you make up crap all the time and are generally full of ....?


No, I think not. The FACT is that if anyone goes through these threads they will find that 99 out of 100 people here, even the ones that dislike Rossi, give credit where credit is due. Nearly everyone here subscribes to Let the best man win. That's because they are genuine followers of the sport.

When Rossi leaves the sport, I will still be following it passionately as I have for 3 decades; whereas, you and all the glory seeking lemmings will all be jumping off a cliff, or off building monuments to your hero. As for me, I have no dog in the race. I am no fan of anyone since Stoner opted out. I'm just here for the racing.

So you just go on preaching your ......... That's what people in cults do. Cult followers thrive on the belief that they and their guru are persecuted and go around moaning about how hated they are. Like the people at Jonestown, the Hare Krishnas, the Born Again Christians, the EST people, the Mormons, the Scientologists etc., boppers are implacably immune to logic, established fact or anything really, that interferes with pink cloud opiated haze of cult of personality worshiping of Rossi. You give the impression of living in a fuzzy-minded fog of complete cognitive dissonance and that you're feeling no pain, but the fact that you go out of your way to spend so much time lashing out at people with your churlish insults and imposing your bad will upon a forum where people of your ilk are miniscule minority suggests that somewhere down deep, there is a spark of awareness that everything you profess to believe is spurious. Knowing that you waste your life bowing to a false idol has got to hurt.

Then again, maybe you are really just that stupid.

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Why don't you stop making stupid assumptions, I have followed the sport for the best part of FOUR decades and also will post Rossi. You post like a complete .....

paparazzo said:

I know when all the records are broken there will be people here who will be on suicide watch, and I only half joking. .

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Bit rich, given the nature of your own exit last November Talps. I don't think that any member has so spectacularly unravelled in the eleven year history of this forum.

The way I see it, given the pedigree and pantheon of greats that have graced this sport, records often only tell half the story. Rossi has accomplished some incredible achievements as a rider but - good or bad - a records book doesn't fully divulge the stories behind those championships and race wins. For example, looking back at Sheene's titles in what was effectively an RGV cup, although there were no full factory efforts in '76, at Heron Suzuki, Barry ensured that he had sole use of the upper spec RGVs. The rest of the field may as well have been on tricycles - (am I allowed to say that or is it a derogatory term?). Similarly many of Ago's titles were secured as a sole factory effort against sterile competition. I regard 2002 as similarly farcical.

Although Rossi's move to Yamaha was admirable, the win at Welcome astonishing and the title thoroughly deserved, the Ducati switch was a complete humiliation in comparison to Stoner's achievements. Further, it doesn't come close to Lawson's switch to a privateer Honda to perhaps the most ferocious and fearsome NSR ever where he also won back to back races with a different Marque and the title that year. Although again, delve deeper into the championship that year and you'll see that the defending champion, Gardner, crashed and broke his leg.

I can definitely see another Rossi win at Assen - and personally, I couldn't give two ..... who wins, so long as I get close racing and a competitive championship. Couldn't give a .... about records either. It's all relative, you can create whatever narrative you wish, bleat GOAT as many times as you want, Hailwood was very probably, and is generally accepted as the undisputed greatest talent that this sport has ever seen. No amount of World Championships will ever diminish his legacy from an age that is, in my opinion, simply beyond comparison.

Pol takes a moment to pay respects

From https://twitter.com/vladimirrys/status/739491396160237568

Nice touch from Pol here, good respect

Marquez ............ more respect .......

From - MotoGP?



Marc Marquez: "It has been a hard weekend for all the riders, but in the end I think that together we paid tribute to Luis Salom with the Sunday that he deserved. It was a nice race with Valentino. I was suffering a little with the increase in temperature and was never completely comfortable, so I was unable to try overtaking at the right time. I had a couple of scares and started doing the math for the standings in my head, knowing that Jorge Lorenzo was out of the race, and I think that in the end, a podium finish is a very positive result for the Championship. Another thing that’s important for motorcycle racing is that Valentino and I shook hands; it was probably the weekend and the right situation to do so."


Mind you, check the eyes on the HRC and Yamaha staff .................. kind of tells a story

Ben Spies take on the torpedo - https://twitter.com/BenSpies11/status/739437556224270336

Small video of the front end lose/save from Marquez

https://streamable.com/xgvv



Pedrosa and Vinales have fun but unfortunately the commentary is Nick Harris

https://streamable.com/81ib



The torpedo

https://streamable.com/ctda


The last few laps

https://streamable.com/idhm

Got to hand it to Rossi, he rode a great race. Seemed to have found something overnight that put him on form in the warm up practice and converted that into a race win. No doubt this will give him a lot of motivation for the next round.

Was thrilling to watch Marquez man-handle that Honda in an attempt to close the gap to Rossi. The race would have been a lot more dull without the prospect of him taking it to a showdown in the last lap but it wasn't to be. Still, to go away with a podium and leading the championship has still got to be a great outcome.

Such a shame to see Lorenzo get taken out by another rider whilst leading the championship. He was clearly not having a good one, and was trying to salvage a few points. No doubt an honest mistake from Ianone, but taking out the championship leader in such a fashion isn't going to do his reputation any favours after his start to the season. Glad to hear Lorenzo wasn't injured too bad.

R.I.P Luis Salom. Sad to see a fatality under conditions that might have been easily avoided if the run off wasn't a hybrid for F1 cars.