Gracious in defeat - Rossi

Jumkie · Dec 7, 2015

bh84 said:
I'm not whining, I'm poking holes in your little conspiracy theories then watching you rage about what a bad person Rossi is. If anyone is whining and moaning here its you bud. You seem to be taking all this quite personally, meanwhile its no skin off my back, I'm more worried about when Reimer is gonna be back in net for the Leafs. I'm really just enjoying how angry you get when someone contradicts you.

"I'm not whining." Haha. You went in to the test thread to whine and moan about not wanting me to bring up Rossi in a test. You didnt enter this thread to present your side, you just went postal because JP mentioned Rossi, in a Rossi thread. What you should do is say, please guys, stop being so mean to Rossi. Waaa. Maybe then we'll stop, because nothing is more annoying than a crying baby.

Conspiracy? Newsflash genius, Rossi went full JFK / Area 51 meltdown. As far as feeling personal, it certainly is skin off you otherwise why the hell do you keep moaning to change the subject (while ironically feeding the Rossi debate supposed bothers you)? This is me having fun. Its entertainment, and I encourage you to engage, as it's both amusing and fascinating. Without people like you there isn't much to debate.

Bh84, you're probably a nice guy in real life, I don't know, maybe you're a puppy murderer, I just like that you say "bud", it's endearing, actually you haven't posted much about your opinion to gage your sanity, but let's be clear, this below is a whine buddy.

bh84 said:
And yours isn't.

"blah blah Rossi Sucks blah blah Stoner GOAT blah blah Rossi should be banned"

You're a broken record bud

bh84 said:
Will you drop it? theres 10 other threads that have descended into arguments over Rossi, go post in one of those.

bh84 · Dec 7, 2015

The other thread was you and JPS changing the subject completely and trying to start another shitstorm. No one had mentioned Rossi at all, we had good info, good discussion, then you show up and start spewing hate again. All I was saying in that thread was that there are 10 other threads talking about Rossi lets keep this discussion where it belongs. Evidently wanting to keep and intelligent conversation intelligent was too much to ask of you.

Bravo on your exaggeration by the way, likening Rossi thinking there was something fishy about MM's riding to JFK? Once again your unrealistic comparisons do nothing but make you look stupid.

Also, its apparent that post count and intelligence have a negative correlation. 21,000 posts! If I were to take a look I wonder how many would be nothing but you spouting off about Rossi, 1000, 5000, 23000? Clearly you are much more affected by him than anyone.

Jumkie · Dec 7, 2015

bh84 said:
The other thread was you and JPS changing the subject completely and trying to start another shitstorm. No one had mentioned Rossi at all, we had good info, good discussion, then you show up and start spewing hate again. All I was saying in that thread was that there are 10 other threads talking about Rossi lets keep this discussion where it belongs. Evidently wanting to keep and intelligent conversation intelligent was too much to ask of you.

Bravo on your exaggeration by the way, likening Rossi thinking there was something fishy about MM's riding to JFK? Once again your unrealistic comparisons do nothing but make you look stupid.

Also, its apparent that post count and intelligence have a negative correlation. 21,000 posts! If I were to take a look I wonder how many would be nothing but you spouting off about Rossi, 1000, 5000, 23000? Clearly you are much more affected by him than anyone.

Hi Papabozzo.

Yes, my post count makes me really really dumb. You got me.

JFK, the ultimate conspiracy, perhaps you've not heard of Area 51 either. For such a smart guy, how is a dumb guy like me schooling you?

Newsflash, MotoGP testing is a forecast for the next season, unless Rossi isnt racing next season, then expressing my thoughts on the guy you love to admire shouldn't feel so bad. Oh but wait, I said something that doesn't make u feel good.

Bh84, this thread topic is declaring Rossi gracious in defeat. In your estimation, was Rossi gracious in defeat?

bh84 · Dec 7, 2015

Jumkie said:
Hi Papabozzo.

Yes, my post count makes me really really dumb. You got me.

JFK, the ultimate conspiracy, perhaps you've not heard of Area 51 either. For such a smart guy, how is a dumb guy like me schooling you?

Newsflash, MotoGP testing is a forecast for the next season, unless Rossi isnt racing next season, then expressing my thoughts on the guy you love to admire shouldn't feel so bad. Oh but wait, I said something that doesn't make u feel good.

Bh84, this thread topic is declaring Rossi gracious in defeat. In your estimation, was Rossi gracious in defeat?

He certainly wasn't gracious with those he had beef with, but he shook the hand of every rider who went by him on that lap, that is gracious.

I'm Canadian and I guarantee I know more about JFK, A51 and the 9/11 theories than you do. While some of those theories are way off base, just like yours. There is the odd one that really cuts away at the foundation of the official story, and if you think the US Gov't is honest and straight up with its citizens you're blind. I'm not claiming to know what happened in any of those instances, but there have been a lot of holes punched in the governments stories on them.

For the record, I certainly was not whining to about JPS, he called another members posts repetitive and predictable, I was simply calling him a hypocrite by summarizing his post history in 3 phrases. You guys are both predictable as ..... Whatever the thread is about, you guys show up and post about how much you hate Rossi. Thats the entirety of both your posts.

And by the way, a thread about how testing is going is for talking about how testing is going. If you can't comprehend why I gave you .... for running your mouth yet again, you should probably be wearing a helmet full time.

michaelm · Dec 7, 2015

bh84 said:
He certainly wasn't gracious with those he had beef with, but he shook the hand of every rider who went by him on that lap, that is gracious.

I'm Canadian and I guarantee I know more about JFK, A51 and the 9/11 theories than you do. While some of those theories are way off base, just like yours. There is the odd one that really cuts away at the foundation of the official story, and if you think the US Gov't is honest and straight up with its citizens you're blind. I'm not claiming to know what happened in any of those instances, but there have been a lot of holes punched in the governments stories on them.

For the record, I certainly was not whining to about JPS, he called another members posts repetitive and predictable, I was simply calling him a hypocrite by summarizing his post history in 3 phrases. You guys are both predictable as ..... Whatever the thread is about, you guys show up and post about how much you hate Rossi. Thats the entirety of both your posts.

And by the way, a thread about how testing is going is for talking about how testing is going. If you can't comprehend why I gave you .... for running your mouth yet again, you should probably be wearing a helmet full time.

Except that in the case of the late 2015 season brouhaha it is Rossi and his fans of your ilk who are propounding conspiracy theories, multiple such theories in regard to 3 different races in fact, and hence I hardly think those largely posting to disagree with those theories are the conspiracy theorists in the overall scheme of things.

Jumkie · Dec 7, 2015

bh84 said:
He certainly wasn't gracious with those he had beef with, but he shook the hand of every rider who went by him on that lap, that is gracious.

I'm Canadian and I guarantee I know more about JFK, A51 and the 9/11 theories than you do. While some of those theories are way off base, just like yours. There is the odd one that really cuts away at the foundation of the official story, and if you think the US Gov't is honest and straight up with its citizens you're blind. I'm not claiming to know what happened in any of those instances, but there have been a lot of holes punched in the governments stories on them.

For the record, I certainly was not whining to about JPS, he called another members posts repetitive and predictable, I was simply calling him a hypocrite by summarizing his post history in 3 phrases. You guys are both predictable as ..... Whatever the thread is about, you guys show up and post about how much you hate Rossi. Thats the entirety of both your posts.

And by the way, a thread about how testing is going is for talking about how testing is going. If you can't comprehend why I gave you .... for running your mouth yet again, you should probably be wearing a helmet full time.

You must definitely be from the east side of Canada. Curious question, when you log on do you use a different password to Papabozzo, or are you unaware of your multiple personalities? Oh, of course you're not aware, but the odd thing is normally multiple personality disorder doesn't produce identical personalities.

So you know a lot about conspiracy theories. More than Americans, ok, I believe you.

For the record you weren't whining, you were just pointing out something you decided to whine about, got it.

Btw, not sure if you notice, but Rossi has always been the big talking point. Thus particular season and the way Rossi revealed himself with the epic meltdown and subsequent sore loser montage made the conversation exponentially more intense. You go around admiring him because you love him and think he is praise worthy, people like me .... on your neat fragile world.

J4rn0 · Dec 7, 2015

I think this good honest article by Mat Oxley deserves to be read:
What really happened in MotoGP's 2015 finale - MotoGP, Motorcycling - Motor Sport Magazine

Jumkie · Dec 7, 2015

J4rn0 said:
I think this good honest article by Mat Oxley deserves to be read:
What really happened in MotoGP's 2015 finale - MotoGP, Motorcycling - Motor Sport Magazine

Good honest? The guy is a self proclaimed bopper, who speculated Rossi was going to dedicate the title to Marco Simoncelli to garner some kind of contrived sympathy, by downplaying Rossi's action of kicking, crashing, and endangering a fellow competitor at the very site where his friend was killed? That honest good guy?

Late to the party? No.

Jumkie said:
He absolutely blames Marquez for toying with Rossi in Sepang as FACT (based on what? Oh yeah because Rossi planted that absurd seed), and said Rossi with "JUSTIFICATION" reacted!

Its the intuitive argument used by all who subscribe to this line of reasoning: that Marquez toyed with Rossi because intuition is proof. I call .........

He can say a bunch of good stuff, and claim he likes them "all" but choosing to believe Marquez is a liar on zero evidence but his intuition just flushed his article; to be so wrong on such a pivotal point makes his whole article flawed.

How about "almost truer words" ever spoken.

bh84 · Dec 7, 2015

Jumkie said:
You must definitely be from the east side of Canada. Curious question, when you log on do you use a different password to Papabozzo, or are you unaware of your multiple personalities? Oh, of course you're not aware, but the odd thing is normally multiple personality disorder doesn't produce identical personalities.

So you know a lot about conspiracy theories. More than Americans, ok, I believe you.

For the record you weren't whining, you were just pointing out something you decided to whine about, got it.

Btw, not sure if you notice, but Rossi has always been the big talking point. Thus particular season and the way Rossi revealed himself with the epic meltdown and subsequent sore loser montage made the conversation exponentially more intense. You go around admiring him because you love him and think he is praise worthy, people like me .... on your neat fragile world.

Sorry bud, I'm from Red Deer, AB. about 5000km from the east coast. so you're way off there, but good try.

I don't love Rossi, but I respect the .... out of his skill and longevity. He's like the James Stewart of MotoGP, fast enough to win on any given weekend, and can do things on 2 wheels that no other human can. But he makes mistakes, often mental, and it hurts him. Same reason I liked Marquez so much, but his obvious antics at Sepang have certainly put a damper on that. Sure, Rossi shouldn't have taken him out, but MM letting him by only to pass again as close as possible wasn't racing in my eyes. You go as fast as you can from start to finish unless you're managing a lead or off on your own. Neither rider rode respectably there, but in all my years racing I've seen a lot of takeouts with much less provocation. Thats why I'd rather watch motocross. Someone takes you down or screws with you, you just do it right back, and nobody bats an eye. Thats the way it should be

Jumkie · Dec 7, 2015

bh84 said:
Sorry bud, I'm from Red Deer, AB. about 5000km from the east coast. so you're way off there, but good try.

I don't love Rossi, but I respect the .... out of his skill and longevity. He's like the James Stewart of MotoGP, fast enough to win on any given weekend, and can do things on 2 wheels that no other human can. But he makes mistakes, often mental, and it hurts him. Same reason I liked Marquez so much, but his obvious antics at Sepang have certainly put a damper on that. Sure, Rossi shouldn't have taken him out, but MM letting him by only to pass again as close as possible wasn't racing in my eyes. You go as fast as you can from start to finish unless you're managing a lead or off on your own. Neither rider rode respectably there, but in all my years racing I've seen a lot of takeouts with much less provocation. Thats why I'd rather watch motocross. Someone takes you down or screws with you, you just do it right back, and nobody bats an eye. Thats the way it should be

Well I figured you were from the east side of the country since you're such a pansy. My mistake, it appears pansies can live anywhere then.

May I suggest you watch roller derby. I think you'd find that entertaining.

Longevity. As in having the guy he summoned to his motorhome broker a deal to make that longevity you admire so much to be artificial? Or the doctored longevity by being the ONLY Michelin rider to be allowed to switch to Bridgestones? Or the longevity of enjoying a favorable tire development change, where the reigning champion was denied the request to use the previous year's tires? Perhaps you're talking about the longevity of having exclusive tires made for him overnight based on the condition prevailing for a race?

jmmk · Dec 7, 2015

bh84 said:
Sorry bud, I'm from Red Deer, AB. about 5000km from the east coast. so you're way off there, but good try.

I don't love Rossi, but I respect the .... out of his skill and longevity. He's like the James Stewart of MotoGP, fast enough to win on any given weekend, and can do things on 2 wheels that no other human can. But he makes mistakes, often mental, and it hurts him. Same reason I liked Marquez so much, but his obvious antics at Sepang have certainly put a damper on that. Sure, Rossi shouldn't have taken him out, but MM letting him by only to pass again as close as possible wasn't racing in my eyes. You go as fast as you can from start to finish unless you're managing a lead or off on your own. Neither rider rode respectably there, but in all my years racing I've seen a lot of takeouts with much less provocation. Thats why I'd rather watch motocross. Someone takes you down or screws with you, you just do it right back, and nobody bats an eye. Thats the way it should be

If your from Red Deer why all the concern about the Leafs?

povol · Dec 7, 2015

Oxley is an admitted Rossi apologist, and this feeling that he has that Rossi was going to dedicate his championship to Marco is ironic that he would lose his mind and try to kill someone on the very track that Marco died on. I will take any article about GP this time of year, but that one is horse ..... He lost all credibility when he claims Rossi was somehow justified in purposely causing an accident that could have ended the career of the future of the sport or worse.

Gaz · Dec 7, 2015

Have been watching this thread with a little interest given the subject title, knowing the way in which the thread may well head but also having seen the video well before it hit this forum and this thread.

My take is that the video is mis-titled (deliberately or not) and as such the OP has fallen into line with the title rather than perhaps having formed a title from the video itself.

To me, this is not about Rossi being gracious to anyone, but the video is about the spectators, officials and some other riders being gracious to Rossi.

If Rossi was to be gracious it is with words and actions to those who bettered him on the day, and simply this did not occur and nor was there any graciousness from Rossi in subsequent interviews.

No, the more I look at the video the more I become convinced that the video title is totally misleading and should instead be titled - 'Graciousness to the defeated Rossi' - and in that there is no harm as it is about those that appreciate Rossi showing that appreciation.

Certainly it is unfortunate that there are no similar videos for the other riders, but I also think it is fair to suspect that were all of the bikes fitted with the same onboard camera we may have seen more similar footage released

J4rn0 · Dec 8, 2015

Jumkie said:
Good honest? The guy is a self proclaimed bopper, who speculated Rossi was going to dedicate the title to Marco Simoncelli to garner some kind of contrived sympathy, by downplaying Rossi's action of kicking, crashing, and endangering a fellow competitor at the very site where his friend was killed? That honest good guy?

Late to the party? No.

You don't lose any occasion to stay quiet, do you.

Don't sling mud on those who are better than you, as usual. What Oxley writes is good and honest from the point of view a Rossi fan (not bopper) and of a personal friend as well. Oxley is man who has a lot of credibility in this sport, both for having practiced it with excellent results (TT winner), and for what he has written about it. Respect.

JPSLotus · Dec 8, 2015

J4rn0 said:
You don't lose any occasion to stay quiet, do you.
Don't sling mud on those who are better than you, as usual. What Oxley writes is good and honest from the point of view a Rossi fan (not bopper) and of a personal friend as well. Oxley is man who has a lot of credibility in this sport, both for having practiced it with excellent results (TT winner), and for what he has written about it. Respect.

Being a friend of Rossi does a lot to make him a biased observer whether he wants to admit it or not...or whether even you would like to admit this.

He's cashing in some of his credibility because he thinks that he can get away with it.

JPSLotus · Dec 8, 2015

bh84 said:
He certainly wasn't gracious with those he had beef with, but he shook the hand of every rider who went by him on that lap, that is gracious.

I'm Canadian and I guarantee I know more about JFK, A51 and the 9/11 theories than you do. While some of those theories are way off base, just like yours. There is the odd one that really cuts away at the foundation of the official story, and if you think the US Gov't is honest and straight up with its citizens you're blind. I'm not claiming to know what happened in any of those instances, but there have been a lot of holes punched in the governments stories on them.

For the record, I certainly was not whining to about JPS, he called another members posts repetitive and predictable, I was simply calling him a hypocrite by summarizing his post history in 3 phrases. You guys are both predictable as ..... Whatever the thread is about, you guys show up and post about how much you hate Rossi. Thats the entirety of both your posts.

And by the way, a thread about how testing is going is for talking about how testing is going. If you can't comprehend why I gave you .... for running your mouth yet again, you should probably be wearing a helmet full time.

Yes you were whining about me calling Papabozzo on his dumb ....... posts.

My post history isn't even remotely close to what you said. For example, you made it out that I said Rossi sucks. I've stated multiple times that he is a talented rider. The qualifier I added to it though, was that he received a ton of benefits that no other rider was given due to commercial considerations...and we're in a topic about Rossi brainiac.

Imagine, complaining about my posting about Rossi in a topic that was created to try and make him look better than he is...and all I am doing is injecting reality into it.

Sorry that bothers you so much blowhard84, maybe you can talk about the JFK assassination and educate all of us.

michaelm · Dec 8, 2015

J4rn0 said:
I think this good honest article by Mat Oxley deserves to be read:
What really happened in MotoGP's 2015 finale - MotoGP, Motorcycling - Motor Sport Magazine

Oxley admits his allegiances and is entitled to his opinion, and makes the salient point with which most would agree that Valentino should have kept his counsel in the Sepang pre-race press conference.

Perhaps as was said when this article was first linked from the point of view of fans with my leanings he refers to myths which have been exploded, I think Stoner being on a Ducati without suitable tyres while Valentino was on a Yamaha had rather more influence than Valentino's killer instinct on their battles later in Stoner's Ducati career, and Valentino seems to have rather resiled from triumphalism about Laguna Seca 2008 for instance after spending 2 years on a Ducati himself.

bh84 · Dec 8, 2015

jmmk said:
If your from Red Deer why all the concern about the Leafs?

They suck, but I've loved them since I was a wee lad. I was a big Cujo fan.

bh84 · Dec 8, 2015

Jumkie said:
Well I figured you were from the east side of the country since you're such a pansy. My mistake, it appears pansies can live anywhere then.

May I suggest you watch roller derby. I think you'd find that entertaining.

Longevity. As in having the guy he summoned to his motorhome broker a deal to make that longevity you admire so much to be artificial? Or the doctored longevity by being the ONLY Michelin rider to be allowed to switch to Bridgestones? Or the longevity of enjoying a favorable tire development change, where the reigning champion was denied the request to use the previous year's tires? Perhaps you're talking about the longevity of having exclusive tires made for him overnight based on the condition prevailing for a race?

Reasons why this post is hilarious

1. I've played hockey and rode mx for 20 years, not a pansy bone in my body
2. You call me a whiner, then moan on and on about Rossi and his "special" treatment
3. You call a 20 year career "artificial" because of a few special considerations on tires.

You're a joke bud, nothing but an overblown keyboard warrior.

bh84 · Dec 8, 2015

Jumkie said:
Good honest? The guy is a self proclaimed bopper, who speculated Rossi was going to dedicate the title to Marco Simoncelli to garner some kind of contrived sympathy, by downplaying Rossi's action of kicking, crashing, and endangering a fellow competitor at the very site where his friend was killed? That honest good guy?

Late to the party? No.

"kicking" here we go again, stating opinion as fact because its just not plausible that when the 2 bikes came together MM's hand hit something on Rossi's bike. And the weight of MM falling off in no way could have pulled Rossi's leg off. Riiight.

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