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GP9 for donnington?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jun 11 2008, 11:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i agree if they do manage to make it work then it will be one hell of a machine but i think thats the only way stoner will win like in 07 again is to have an advantage.

at the moment the yam honda and the ducati are pretty even........... if anyone is on a slightly inferior bike then its pedrosa.


Man you are so blatantly biased it's not funny.
Ducati had a top speed advantage last year and the Yamaha had a handling advantage.
Yamaha have closed their speed disadvantage up and Ducati have not reduced their Handling disadvantage.
Suppo called for Biaggi or Bayliss to test because the test riders were injured and the race riders were not allowed to test outside the alloted test days. In case you forgot they didn't go through with it once the test rider had recovered.

If Stoner's opinion on the bike is so unwanted by Ducati then why the hell did they get him on the GP9 pronto and before Melandri? If you think that Ducati handles as well as the Yamaha and Honda then your not watching and Melandri, Elias and Sylvan should be fired immediately.
 
There is an interesting article over at mcnews where Casey is questioned about the difference between his performance, and that of the other Ducati riders.
There is also another enlightened figure who claims that the only reason that Casey is fast is because his bike is at least 15 kph faster than anybody else.
I'll bet he wishes that was true.
What is it with those that don't want to concede that Stoner just might be a really fast rider?
Anyway, for a little light reading, here is an article from last year that will shed some light on a few things.
http://www.sportrider.com/features/146_071...ship/index.html
 
As far as Stoner not being able to develop a bike:
- if Loris developed the GP7 then why couldn't he ride it?
- if Casey couldn't or didn't develop the GP7 why did he win more as the season went on?
- was Stoner running at the front when he first got on the GP7 at the beginning of testing pre season - no but come the first race when he had a chance to develop the bike the way he wanted it he came out and blasted the whole field away.
- who was developing the bike whilst Loris went off on a completely different tangent trying to find some speed during the middle of the season?
- who won the first race of the 2008 season?

Also why should Stoner have to develop the bike for Marco? Stoner is developing the bike for what he wants. Did Rossi ever develop the bike to suit Edwards? Just because no-one else can ride the thing doesn't make Stoner a bad development rider.

At the beginning of 2007 Stoner told his engineer how he wanted the bike set up. The engineers thought he was crazy as no one sets the bike up like that. He went on to win 10 races and the WC. I say he developed the GP7 just perfect - for him!

If Rossi is such a good development rider then why was the 2007 M1 so bad? He developed it! Oh it was because Yamaha didn't give him a good base to work with you say or Michelin didn't give him good tyres. Well do you think that perhaps the Ducati factory haven't given Stoner a good base to work with? Now as he tells them no I don't want that I want this he is going faster. Well Rossi had been at Yamaha for 3 seasons and had ridden as Michelins #1 rider his whole MotoGP career so I think they were developing based on his feedback.

I say Stoner is plenty good enough as a development rider for his bike, as far as Marco well his own failings are exactly that - his own.

Don't forget that Stoner is racing against and trying to beat arguably the greatest rider in the history of the sport. It is not like he is only trying to be Sete or Max or some of the other failures.
 
I believe Casey is a capable development rider. The only problem is, his style is uniquely his own.

But given the reports by Neil Spalding, how Jeremy Burgess and the Fiat Yamaha-Bridgetone team are trying to make the M1 behave like a Ducati (rearward weight bias to maximize the potential of those bridgestones), and how Rossi himself have to re-adjust his riding style indicate that Stoner and his crew are doing something right (in terms of setup and development). Why other bridgestone teams fail to follow suit is another question...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jun 11 2008, 08:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As far as Stoner not being able to develop a bike:
- if Loris developed the GP7 then why couldn't he ride it?
- if Casey couldn't or didn't develop the GP7 why did he win more as the season went on?
- was Stoner running at the front when he first got on the GP7 at the beginning of testing pre season - no but come the first race when he had a chance to develop the bike the way he wanted it he came out and blasted the whole field away.
- who was developing the bike whilst Loris went off on a completely different tangent trying to find some speed during the middle of the season?
- who won the first race of the 2008 season?

Also why should Stoner have to develop the bike for Marco? Stoner is developing the bike for what he wants. Did Rossi ever develop the bike to suit Edwards? Just because no-one else can ride the thing doesn't make Stoner a bad development rider.

At the beginning of 2007 Stoner told his engineer how he wanted the bike set up. The engineers thought he was crazy as no one sets the bike up like that. He went on to win 10 races and the WC. I say he developed the GP7 just perfect - for him!

If Rossi is such a good development rider then why was the 2007 M1 so bad? He developed it! Oh it was because Yamaha didn't give him a good base to work with you say or Michelin didn't give him good tyres. Well do you think that perhaps the Ducati factory haven't given Stoner a good base to work with? Now as he tells them no I don't want that I want this he is going faster. Well Rossi had been at Yamaha for 3 seasons and had ridden as Michelins #1 rider his whole MotoGP career so I think they were developing based on his feedback.

I say Stoner is plenty good enough as a development rider for his bike, as far as Marco well his own failings are exactly that - his own.

Don't forget that Stoner is racing against and trying to beat arguably the greatest rider in the history of the sport. It is not like he is only trying to be Sete or Max or some of the other failures.
you need consistent tyres to get a good set up, michilin were far from consistent last year so rossi had set up issues. stoner complained about similar things at the beginning of this season and used the 07 tyres to get a set up.
 
Should I post the Alex Barros interview again?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Jun 11 2008, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Should I post the Alex Barros interview again?
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i think maybe you should. seems a lot of people have forgotten what barros had to say about ducati and the lack of support given .
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mumu37 @ Jun 11 2008, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I believe Casey is a capable development rider. The only problem is, his style is uniquely his own.

I'm not so sure, he rode the Honda pretty well when he wasn't crashing it.

Hes just worked out how to adapt himself to the Ducati, while the other 3 riders are trying to setup the bike for their own style.

I don't believe the Ducati has the customability of the Honda or the Yamaha.

As the season goes on and its already getting tough for Stoner, hes going to have problems because that bike is never gonna be perfect.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Jun 11 2008, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Should I post the Alex Barros interview again?
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yes mate, please do... I know nothing about what Alex said about the duke...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Blue Cielo @ Jun 12 2008, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yes mate, please do... I know nothing about what Alex said about the duke...

http://www.motorcycleaddicts.org/professio...-interview.html

Question: One month ago we were talking and you were about to become Honda's #1 WSBK rider at Ten Kate. What happened?
Alex Barros: It's simple, Carlos Checa offered himself for an amount that I would never accept. One hundred thousand dollars/year, plus a spot on the fairing. It's too little. I was excited about running in WSBK again, because Ten Kate is a great team, and the 2008 Fireblade is very light. I would have a real chance of fighting for the title, and Honda Europe wanted me there, even as a compensation for 2006 and the Klaffi team, where the structure was really quite weak. I really wanted to return to WSBK in a good team, because I know that there I could still be world champion, whereas in MotoGP I can't anymore. The sponsors are fleeing from motorcycle racing, and that is really changing the market. Riders are signing contracts for amounts that would be unthinkable a few years ago. For instance, Stoner just renewed his contract with Ducati for $1.5 million/year. It's less than what Melandri makes, for example - he made $3 million this year - or Hayden, who is in the $3 million range as well.

Q: You said you prefer SBK to MotoGP. Why is that?
AB: In MotoGP it's impossible to be champion without being on an official team. The level is too different. This year, the champion and me rode the same bike, and you saw the difference. Of course, bike for bike, I like riding in MotoGP better, where the bikes are real racing bikes. Superbikes are tuned street bikes, and that makes all the difference, in every aspect.

Q: Explain what is different.
AB: Well, the weight for starters; almost 35kg difference. The MotoGP bikes are more powerful too, the tyres are better, everything is better.

Q: Your Ducati, when compared to the ones in the official team, is it too different?
AB: The bike is the same, but the teams are a different deal. All I have to tell you is that I didn't have a suspension technician. Throughout the season, I suffered with the lack of setup. I can't understand how a MotoGP team wouldn't have such a tech. Since the beginning of the year I've asked for this and Luis D'Antin, the team owner, has just blown me off. It's stupid. I don't, honestly, think that I could always beat Stoner. The kid is very fast and no one could have taken this title from him, but in the preseason tests I was always very close to him, and sometimes even in front of him. But as the races passed, his bike was getting set up better, while mine wasn't. Another thing that was absurd was that I didn't have a spare suspension. Can you imagine a MotoGP team not having a spare front! It doesn't exist. I had two complete bikes and that was that. If I wanted to play around with a setting, I'd have to strip one of the bikes. That just can't be. The comparison to see what is best has to be on the same bike.

Q: So the team was a total let down?
AB: I don't like to judge anyone, nor being ungrateful, ut Pramac D'Antin was a team that no one wanted to go to, and by the end of the current season, there's been a queue of people wanting to ride for them. I believe part of that is due to my efforts in getting results, even without having the best conditions to do so. The bike is good, but at the current level of MotoGP, the team of technicians around you makes the difference. I lacked a suspensions guy, aside from spare suspensions.

Q: You had a contract that was good for 2008 as well, is that right?
AB: Yes, but Paolo Campinotti, Pramac owner, called me and said that, in a meeting with the Ducati Corse bosses, big boss Claudio Domenicali asked that the situation that happened in the Italian GP, when I passed Stoner at the end of the race and was 3rd, never repeat itself. In other words, I'd have to subject myself to always coming in behind the factory riders, and that I just can't accept. If the championship had been in a crucial phase, so be it, but that was the sixth GP in a season of 18! The commitment they wanted me to agree to isn't right, in my point of view, and hence my leaving. In fact, there's people at Ducati in my favor, the people in the commercial department, that believe that with me on board, sales in Brazil would improve. But it seems that Domenicali's wishes prevailed...

Q: Many people in the paddock say that since you beat Stoner in that race, your bike hasn't been the same. Is this true?
AB: I don't know. In the motor, power, aspect our bikes are the same as the ones in the factory team. The problem is that which was I talking about, suspension setup. However, there's the fact that Stoner's bike has never broken down during a race, and I was left on foot at Misano and Estoril. In the last race, at Motegi, I only finished the race because of the bike switch, due to the rain. If I had gone on with the same bike since the start, the bike wouldn't have lasted. We only learned about that later.

Q: What about the tyres? They say that Ducati asked Bridgestone not to supply you with the same stuff with the good stuff...
AB: I don't believe in that. The tyres are the same.

Q: This year, you've had bad practice sessions and great races. Why is that?
AB: The problem is the bike's setup. At the beginning of the year, everyone starts with stuff that needs tweaking. While other bikes evolved in the setup department, ours didn't. As each race passed, the difference from our bike to the others got bigger. Another problem was that Michelin's qualifying tyres were better than the Bridgestone ones, in general. In the race, the situation was the opposite. Many times I would only find good balance with my bike during warm-up, just before the race. And starting from the back, either you're lucky and get to pass many people on the first lap, or you're stuck back there, battling, while the front guys get away. In many races, my lap times were the same as those of podium-finishing riders, so that if I had't started from the back, I would be amongst the top guys.

Q: The Ducati is a very different bike when compared to the japanese ones, isn't it?
AB: Yeah. Its highlight is the engine's power. The chassis demands a certain strength when trying to get it into the corners. Look at my hand. These calluses are Ducati (laughs). But I think the main advantage Ducati had this season were the eletronics. The Magneti Marelli system is the most evolved of all. I can't talk much about it, but no other brand has a management system that is as good. The traction control isn't like those of other bikes, where the setup is unique for each track. Ours changes according to the way each person rides the bike, the parameters are different for each corner, individually, and this advantage was key in order for Ducati to be in front and win the title. But that doesn't take anything away from Stoner, who rode harder than anyone.

Q: Aren't you upset you're leaving MotoGP?
AB: I'm cool. All through my carreer I've had the clear goal of being champion. I didn't achieve that, and remaining in MotoGP that would be pretty much impossible. But in World Superbike I know that, with a good bike and in a strong team, I could be champion. That's why I was excited about the Ten Kate offer. But I understand why they chose Checa, given that they are there to make money. Honda doesn't officially participate in WSBK. Ten Kate is the team of a Honda shop in Holland, which has an excellent competition division. If you want to, you can buy a Honda that is just like Toseland's, you just have to pay. There's nothing official about the bike, there's some factory support, but the bosses are the Ten Kate brothers and, of course, the sponsor.

Q: And you didn't have other offers from WSBK?
AB: I did, but none that were wholly convincing to me. To go into a team to score 4th, 5th places, and to develop a bike without direct factory support isn't what I want to do these days. In the past I've subjected myself to riding in situations which I knew weren't the best, but nowadays I don't want that, I don't need that.

Q: Can you tell us what were the offers?
AB: The Kawasaki PSG-1 team, who have Fonsi Nieto and Regis Laconi as current riders, and a 5th place as their best result. There was also an approach from Suzuki. Max Biaggi hasn't renewed his contract yet and their team is good, but I think they called me more as a way of putting pressure on Max, by saying "look, if you don't sign, Barros may come in to take your spot...", than it being an actual offer.

Q: Are you gonna miss competing?
AB: Sure I will, because I really love riding, racing. But there's other things I'm tired of. Airports, airplanes, hotels... that I can't stand anymore. Since 1986 leading this kind of life is tough. Fortunately I have other stuff to occupy myself with in case I really do stop racing.

Q: And what would that be?
AB: I have a construction business. We have already completed a building in São Paulo, and we have another two on the way. Aside from that, there's the Alex Barros Shop, which I'm also expanding. Dedicating myself to these endeavors, and others which I have in mind already, should keep me plenty occupied here in Brazil, and should keep my mind off racing.
 
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I really love reading it, slowly and very nice story...
Thumbs up for Barros too... he is very open.
 
I wonder if he would come under consideration to replace Bayliss on the 2009 Ducati in superbikes next year? He seemed really disappointed he missed out on the Ten Kate ride.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jun 12 2008, 05:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wonder if he would come under consideration to replace Bayliss on the 2009 Ducati in superbikes next year? He seemed really disappointed he missed out on the Ten Kate ride.

That will be unlikely Friz...
I don't think he will be back for racing, the point is he seems too tired too but who knows, Michael Schumacer does races even for just his fun...
Disappointed losing his seat to Ten Cate that's for sure, but racing is business too, it is not charity.
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IMHO, I want to see him racing again.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (surendhar @ Jun 12 2008, 05:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Alex Barros: It's simple, Carlos Checa offered himself for an amount that I would never accept. One hundred thousand dollars/year, plus a spot on the fairing. It's too little.

As if money is the problem to Alex, hes probably earned alot in Motogp but he did have that court case with camel.

Still i think a better ride is better than money.
 
An excellent open interview from Alex there. A nearly man if ever there was one, and lets not forget, one of a very rare breed who could beat Rossi head to head on the same bike.

Pete
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jun 14 2008, 09:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>An excellent open interview from Alex there. A nearly man if ever there was one, and lets not forget, one of a very rare breed who could beat Rossi head to head on the same bike.

Pete
didn't rossi say, on alex's good days no one can beat him
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 14 2008, 09:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>didn't rossi say, on alex's good days no one can beat him
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I'm pretty sure he did Rog

Pete
 

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