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The Suzuki is magnificent into and through the turns. And with Rins on-board looking like Schwantz, neck craning through the turns, turning around to see the rider behind and almost binning it, just fantastic.

It looks like the extra horsepower HRC have cooked into the engine has robbed the bike of something on corner entry. The Honda has been very pointy these last few years, but the lack of stability gave it an advantage on the agility front. Now it just looks like it lacks stability but with no upside, very sluggish into corners. Perhaps Marc is taking a little less out of the front tyre these days too, having realised that having 20 plus crashes a season isn't the way to stay healthy.

Rossi hasn't been the same rider since his last big effort in 2015. I feel that he knew it was his last big chance and through a combination of age and desperation he imploded, the pressure just being too much. He should have let it go at that point, but he covets that 10th title. Look at how much it has cost him, a shadow of his former self chasing an unattainable dream, and tainting his previously almost flawless legacy in the process. It's always a shame to watch former giants get cut down to size by their own lack of self awareness.
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I'm largely over my antipathy towards Rossi. I'm actually feeling a bit sorry for him. He's in the same trap that a lot of people who've enjoyed giant success at the top, in that those who can do it for a sustained period of time, do so because they've been so narrowly and intensely focused on that one thing, can't imagine having a life that isn't 100% centered on that singular activity. It's like guys who come back from Afghanistan just barely by the skin of their teeth and instead of being grateful to be alive and in one piece and say, going to school and getting a good job and settling down, keep going back to the war theater, because everything else seem impossibly trite and dull.
 
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Keshav said:
I'm largely over my antipathy towards Rossi. I'm actually feeling a bit sorry for him. He's in the same trap that a lot of people who've enjoyed giant success at the top, in that those who can do it for a sustained period of time, do so because they've been so narrowly and intensely focused on that one thing, can't imagine having a life that isn't 100% centered on that singular activity. It's like guys who come back from Afghanistan just barely by the skin of their teeth and instead of being grateful to be alive and in one piece and say, going to school and getting a good job and settling down, keep going back to the war theater, because everything else seem impossibly trite and dull.
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Or he could simply enjoy racing GP bikes and competing. You're assuming that if he's not winning, he's not enjoying racing. Even in his prime, he simply had a passion for the sport and that motivated him more than just winning. I don't think a lot of people truly understand what it takes or the mindset required to become one of the best in the world at something. You have to be obsessed, most people will call you crazy, but you need that obsession to compete vs other obsessed people... without it... you're just... one of us talking .... on an internet forum instead of experiencing the reality of racing a GP bike.
 
Keshav, if you were a businessman you'd be ripped off by the same people again, and again, and again ...
 
Looks like Quartararo's crash was provoked by Rin's own scrape with crashing going into turn 2. Quartararo said he had to ease the throttle to take a bit of evasive action and this upset the bike in the turn. Rins spoke about his near-crash in the post-race interview. I really hope Dovi comes out of this one without any significant setback.

Anyway, great win there by Rins. MM must be kicking himself for getting his pocket picked yet again on the last corner of consecutive races. Vinales really needs to sort his race starts out. The field is way too competitive for him to be trying to come from behind.
 
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Or he could simply enjoy racing GP bikes and competing. You're assuming that if he's not winning, he's not enjoying racing. Even in his prime, he simply had a passion for the sport and that motivated him more than just winning. I don't think a lot of people truly understand what it takes or the mindset required to become one of the best in the world at something. You have to be obsessed, most people will call you crazy, but you need that obsession to compete vs other obsessed people... without it... you're just... one of us talking .... on an internet forum instead of experiencing the reality of racing a GP bike.
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Nobody after being a 9 Times World Champion, going to glamorous parties in their honor enjoys sitting in their trailer playing video games while their skills and talent melt away as young kids are up on the podium where they used to be all the time, shooting champagne over the hot umbrella girls and getting interviewed by the press. Nobody.
 
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I'm very sorry for Dovi, but that's the problem of starting at 7th, 8th, 5th... you have more riders in front of you, thus significantly increasing the probability of getting involved in a crash.

We don't see MM involving himself on those incidents because the kid is always starting at the front row. MM worst result of the season (excluding the silly crash at Austin) is 2nd, because the boy is the king of this little details. He thinks over every ....... detail that could increase his chance to succeed, while Dovi seems to never care to take any risk on Q2 so he could minimize those "crashers" in front of him.

Some people call this "bad luck" or yet "champion luck" or "talented". I call just smartness and micro-management. The rider with the greater will of succeeding will always find a way to do it, like water seeping into the rock.
 
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Segfault said:
Keshav, if you were a businessman you'd be ripped off by the same people again, and again, and again ...
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You couldn't be more wrong mate. I started my own business with less than $500.00 in the bank back in '96 working out of my tiny studio apartment on the Lower East Side - from which I opened my own shop which did very well for 20 years during which time, I made some good investments in the market that have panned out quite nicely. I'm now semi-retired with a co-op apartment in Lower Manhattan and run my business (by appointment only) from a modest house, on two acres of land bordered by farmland and wilderness preserves up in the Ramapo mountains (back road motorcycle heaven). I have zero debt. And my client list is - I promise you - the envy of all my competitors. Not bragging. Just the truth.
 
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Keshav said:
You couldn't be more wrong.
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This is the words you say the most. For you, everyone that thinks different of you is always wrong. You are the right one, ever. Like no other, you are always right.
 
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gui22a said:
This is the words you say the most. For you, everyone that thinks different of you is always wrong. You are the right one, ever. Like no other, you are always right.
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Conversely everyone who thinks different than you is right.

Seriously, on a forum filled with people who have strong opinions, you criticize me for having a strong opinion? :rolleyes:
Besides, my success in business is not an opinion. It's a verifiable fact.

As to being right, I've been shown to be wrong at times (especially by Pov and Gaz) and I don't have a hard time admitting
being wrong. Everybody wants to be right, so it's not great being wrong, but it's WAY better than painting oneself into a corner
trying to defend the indefensible. Every time you admit being wrong - it gets easier. Try it some time.
 
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Not really sure how we have ended up talking about Kesh's personal circumstances.

Are we now at the point of ridiculing one another for having a differing opinion on a public forum designed exactly for the purpose of sharing those opinions?

I'd like us to be able to stay on topic just once instead of slinging handbags at each other, as per almost every other thread.

Not taking sides, just incredibly bored of it all.

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Interesting that Fabio crashed like that, an off throttle high side. Apparently the TC isn't designed to counter closing the gas at speed. It seems to be that although the electronics seem almost otherworldly in most circumstances, occasionally the system's flaws are exposed. I expect the computer scientists will be feverishly writing a patch for that very circumstance before the next round.
 
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Interesting that Fabio crashed like that, an off throttle high side. Apparently the TC isn't designed to counter closing the gas at speed. It seems to be that although the electronics seem almost otherworldly in most circumstances, occasionally the system's flaws are exposed. I expect the computer scientists will be feverishly writing a patch for that very circumstance before the next round.
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ratdeal said:
The Suzuki is magnificent into and through the turns. And with Rins on-board looking like Schwantz, neck craning through the turns, turning around to see the rider behind and almost binning it, just fantastic.

It looks like the extra horsepower HRC have cooked into the engine has robbed the bike of something on corner entry. The Honda has been very pointy these last few years, but the lack of stability gave it an advantage on the agility front. Now it just looks like it lacks stability but with no upside, very sluggish into corners. Perhaps Marc is taking a little less out of the front tyre these days too, having realised that having 20 plus crashes a season isn't the way to stay healthy.

Rossi hasn't been the same rider since his last big effort in 2015. I feel that he knew it was his last big chance and through a combination of age and desperation he imploded, the pressure just being too much. He should have let it go at that point, but he covets that 10th title. Look at how much it has cost him, a shadow of his former self chasing an unattainable dream, and tainting his previously almost flawless legacy in the process. It's always a shame to watch former giants get cut down to size by their own lack of self awareness.
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I actually feel little or no rancour towards Rossi currently, my attitude is back to what it was in 2013 when he first returned to Yamaha, I think he is riding because he loves doing so while still being reasonably competitive, and seems to be refraining from off-track manipulations/character assassinations etc. The only negative is the risk of injury, hardly lessened by being 40 years old. I think his legacy will be fine in retirement, people don’t rate Jordan on his post Bulls performances, nor Montana on his career post the 49ers.
 
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I actually feel little or no rancour towards Rossi currently, my attitude is back to what it was in 2013 when he first returned to Yamaha, I think he is riding because he loves doing so while still being reasonably competitive, and seems to be refraining from off-track manipulations/character assassinations etc. The only negative is the risk of injury, hardly lessened by being 40 years old. I think his legacy will be fine in retirement, people don’t rate Jordan on his post Bulls performances, nor Montana on his career post the 49ers.
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I agree but I do feel that his refraining from the mind games is simply because he lacks an essential element for it to work, i.e., being VERY competitive and fighting for championships with a real chance of winning to season's end. He's 'meek' these days because he has to be. :)
 
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In other words, he hasn't changed, his behavior is. Or put it this way, you are a pickpocket, but there is noone around. So you are not pickpocketing.
 
Segfault said:
In other words, he hasn't changed, his behavior is. Or put it this way, you are a pickpocket, but there is noone around. So you are not pickpocketing.
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That suggests that when a pocket is there to be picked he'll be up to his old tricks. Thing is, pockets might arrive now and then but he's lost something through age and can't pick them like he used to.

I kinda think of him as an aging alpha chimp. He doesn't pose a danger to the younger and stronger male at the top of the pecking order anymore, so he is tolerated so long as he doesn't cause a fuss.
 
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