<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 15 2008, 09:03 AM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh, that arm flailing was so "gracious". Hahahaha. the best part of this thread has been reading his fans trying to SPIN his gestures and head shaking saying how its SOOOO different than what "arrogant" Stoner does. Hahahahah, ....... funny ... ..... It looked like Elias got out of his way and ran wide to let Vale by, but I guess it wasn't enough. Perhaps he wanted Elias to run off the track. Lets see.... its ....... raining cats and dogs, the track is slipper as ice (Peders, Lory, & Col), so I'm gonna give Elias the benefit of the doubt and say he missed the "pull-your-...-over" flag, it not like the flag is bright yellow. Hey, its happened before where people mysteriously didn't see the a flag.... (yellow flag in PI incident anyone?)
I think it was ok that Rossi got pissed with Tony, but what I disagree with is the people SPINNING that its somehow different than the .... Casey pulls. One is flamed, the other is praise, DOUBLE STANDARD anyone? They are either both arrogant mothatfukers, or not. I'm going with they are NOT. They get charged while on the bikes and when they feel they have been impeded, they let the other rider know. Please, save the 'this was a race' defense, because qualifying is just as important, and track etiquette still applies. All have done this kind of .....
First of all, I'm not one of those that think Stoner er terribly arrogant or even care if he was. He's what, 22? a terribly arrogant age anyway. He'll learn and will avoid this kind of controversy later on.
Also, gestures is nothing new and no one who saw it can't forget Rossi vs Biaggi after Rossi were forced onto the gras
So the guy is certainly not inocent, but again all that is about as far from why I'm into racing as it gets. At best it's just a part of the entertainment. But IF I were to look at the two guys, or IF someone try to drag Rossi into the mud for something as inocent as what we saw this weekend my reply would have been something like this:
Once again you destory your own post with your favorite hobby: attacking Rossi fans. In doing so you also (choose) ignore the actual facts. It's nothing less than amazing that anyone can even compare Stoners numerous actions in practice and qualifying compared to Rossi's one action in the final stages of a race where he is second.
No doubt it's anoying to be held up on a fast lap by your team-mate but let's see how Rossi and Stoner handled that particular situation, shall we?
Stoner shakes his head and make gestures as he passes Melandri who is on his normal "fast" pace, Rossi does neither and fully excuse his teammate becuase he didn't know he was there even though Lorenzo was on a slowdown just on his way into the depot.
But most important, neither practice nor quali have any nothing compared to race regulations regarding slower riders and of course in practice it has no real importance. They should obviously try to stay out of harms way but nothing near the flag regulations we have in a race. Elias held up Rossi for nothing less than 2 full seconds. Look it up, 14 of his last 15 laps were in the low 33's only one was a 35. Did it make a difference? Probably not, but that was obviously not what the DUCATI rider Elias thought.
Regarding seeing the flag, first of all, he was passed by Stoner and had no problems to let him by, and by then he knew riders were comming from behind. If this incident was about the leader you might have given him the benifit of doubt, but as it was now his clear obligation was to keep track on the flags and whats behind him, his race is basically over. But even if he ignored his obligation there is one thing he couldn't possibly ignore, the deep rumble of the Yamaha, and I'm 100% sure he didn't miss any of those he just chose to ignore it and he had a clear plan of what to do and did it very well.
The pass: "Elias went wide to let Rossi through""
Yeah right! The guy stayed in race line and were forced wide by Rossi diving on the inside. How you can see that any different says a lot.
So, Jumkie, don't come here talking about double standards, as you are the proven KING of that and you've once again proven it beyond doubt. Hail the King!
Not much better is it when you fail to see the difference between a clear "stay out of the line" gesture compared to kicks. Add to that in what frame of situation they are executed and it's just amazing. Nothing gracious about it just that it is a clear gesture to what Elias should have done according to the regulations. Kicks, allthough the meaning probably comes through is just an agressive action.
No, this is not good Jumkie. Actuall so low that if it wasn't for the length I could have suspected Pinky to have stolen your password. Actually, he might pass you as he just posted his first long, well argumented post, something yours totally lack this time.
Have a nice trip to LC
But I'm not dissing him for that because I know how frustrating it is, and I know how these guys works when they are out there.
