German Grand Prix

Double post

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ospi @ Jul 15 2008, 12:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I do believe the guy in the background was using exactly the same thing, wow funny that. I love how even now people still believe Stoner only wins because of his "superior electronics" when they don't know jack .... about what the hell they are talking about.



this guys funny

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jul 13 2008, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>anyways great race was on the edge of my seat the whole time, u dont know whats going to happen in the wet and 200hp under your ....
Pinky, I'd quite like to see 200bhp up your ... you ...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Jul 13 2008, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>wow, didnt realise dani hit the air fence, thats twice in two weeks.
gravel traps need to bigger i think or air fences in the middle of a gravel traps maybe ?
No way. Look at Stoners practise spill at the top of the 'waterfall'. The extended asphalt slowed him sufficiently to avoid a faster tumble. Earlier, he overcooked a corner, which again benefits from reduced kitty litter in comparison to previous years, and was able to harmlessly rejoin the circuit. Gravel = unwanted gymnastics. Gravel = Elias @ Assen last year. Result? - broken tibia.
Gravel traps need to be smaller, run off bigger.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 13 2008, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hopefully pedrosa quits motogp and sits on a corner with his monkey and organ grinder.
Why?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 15 2008, 09:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>First of all, I'm not one of those that think Stoner er terribly arrogant or even care if he was. He's what, 22? a terribly arrogant age anyway. He'll learn and will avoid this kind of controversy later on.
Also, gestures is nothing new and no one who saw it can't forget Rossi vs Biaggi after Rossi were forced onto the gras So the guy is certainly not inocent, but again all that is about as far from why I'm into racing as it gets. At best it's just a part of the entertainment. But IF I were to look at the two guys, or IF someone try to drag Rossi into the mud for something as inocent as what we saw this weekend my reply would have been something like this:

Once again you destory your own post with your favorite hobby: attacking Rossi fans. In doing so you also (choose) ignore the actual facts. It's nothing less than amazing that anyone can even compare Stoners numerous actions in practice and qualifying compared to Rossi's one action in the final stages of a race where he is second.
No doubt it's anoying to be held up on a fast lap by your team-mate but let's see how Rossi and Stoner handled that particular situation, shall we?
Stoner shakes his head and make gestures as he passes Melandri who is on his normal "fast" pace, Rossi does neither and fully excuse his teammate becuase he didn't know he was there even though Lorenzo was on a slowdown just on his way into the depot.
But most important, neither practice nor quali have any nothing compared to race regulations regarding slower riders and of course in practice it has no real importance. They should obviously try to stay out of harms way but nothing near the flag regulations we have in a race. Elias held up Rossi for nothing less than 2 full seconds. Look it up, 14 of his last 15 laps were in the low 33's only one was a 35. Did it make a difference? Probably not, but that was obviously not what the DUCATI rider Elias thought.
Regarding seeing the flag, first of all, he was passed by Stoner and had no problems to let him by, and by then he knew riders were comming from behind. If this incident was about the leader you might have given him the benifit of doubt, but as it was now his clear obligation was to keep track on the flags and whats behind him, his race is basically over. But even if he ignored his obligation there is one thing he couldn't possibly ignore, the deep rumble of the Yamaha, and I'm 100% sure he didn't miss any of those he just chose to ignore it and he had a clear plan of what to do and did it very well.
The pass: "Elias went wide to let Rossi through"" Yeah right! The guy stayed in race line and were forced wide by Rossi diving on the inside. How you can see that any different says a lot.
So, Jumkie, don't come here talking about double standards, as you are the proven KING of that and you've once again proven it beyond doubt. Hail the King!

Not much better is it when you fail to see the difference between a clear "stay out of the line" gesture compared to kicks. Add to that in what frame of situation they are executed and it's just amazing. Nothing gracious about it just that it is a clear gesture to what Elias should have done according to the regulations. Kicks, allthough the meaning probably comes through is just an agressive action.

No, this is not good Jumkie. Actuall so low that if it wasn't for the length I could have suspected Pinky to have stolen your password. Actually, he might pass you as he just posted his first long, well argumented post, something yours totally lack this time.

Have a nice trip to LC
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 19 2008, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, instead you made that long novel above for so little

Nice novel by the way.

Another insightful post from the highbrow world of Babelfish. Boring boring blah blah. ZZZZZZZ......Sorry, you were saying?....condescending hypocrites tend to revel in the sound of their own voice. At least even that ameoba Pinky's entertaining.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jul 15 2008, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree with your post and in my opinion for what little it's worth, Vale had every right to let Elias know he was way out of line. However there were some on here ( not you ) dissing Stoner for merely shaking his head at Marco for Dawdling on the racing line in the wet just a couple of weeks ago at Donington. As for the kicks business, it's a gesture just the same as a hand signal. You don't seriously think any rider is going to actually kick some one over do you?
as i remember it was stoner shaking his head at marco for being slow and not getting anywhere his lap times, not getting in caseys way at all. i also remember some stoner fans saying they would have trouble defending him for that. unless where talking about another head shaking incident

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jul 15 2008, 06:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Quote in quote in quote
Another insightful post from the highbrow world of Babelfish. Boring boring blah blah. ZZZZZZZ......

As this has been getting on my anything but small .... for a while now:
You don't have to copy the entire half page text. I read that post once, I don't need to see five more times, because some of you are too lazy to do an edit on that quote.

Oh and an even more alien concept to some here, you can have multiple quotes in one post instead of making three posts in a row commenting on different people.

Back on topic: Elias was in the f-in way. As Rossi put it, it took him two corners to overtake JT after the latter was given the blue flags, it took him 1,5 laps to overtake Elias who was ignoring all the blue flags waved at him.
I say some WTF-ing towards Elias was def. in order.

As for Casey's tantrums during FP and Quali, it just makes him look like a .....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sally @ Jul 15 2008, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Back on topic: Elias was in the f-in way. As Rossi put it, it took him two corners to overtake JT after the latter was given the blue flags, it took him 1,5 laps to overtake Elias who was ignoring all the blue flags waved at him.
I say some WTF-ing towards Elias was def. in order.

Remember Tony Elias was black flagged in Catalunya earlier this year for not taking his jump start penalty. He must not pay any attention to the flags.

Something that hasn't been mentioned here, not even by our arch conspiracy theorist Lex, is Pedrosa's tyres.

[conspiracy theory]
Pedrosa is a poor wet weather rider as was pointed out by the Eurosport and BBC commentators even if we had forgotten. I don't remember Pedrosa ever wining a wet race in any of the categories but stand to be proved wrong. Doesn't the fact that he was more than a second a lap better than everyone else in heavy rain seem suspicious?

Edwards commented that Michelin refused his requests for a softer tyre. Most Michelin runners who actually finished complained that their tyres were too hard for the conditions and the finishing positions and behaviour of the bikes seems to uphold that opinion.

Did Michelin give Pedrosa the soft wets despite telling everyone else to use the harder wets in order to ensure that the only rider who can now win them the championship got what they considered the best tyres?
[/conspiracy theory]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Jul 15 2008, 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Something that hasn't been mentioned here, not even by our arch conspiracy theorist Lex, is Pedrosa's tyres.

[conspiracy theory]
Pedrosa is a poor wet weather rider as was pointed out by the Eurosport and BBC commentators even if we had forgotten. I don't remember Pedrosa ever wining a wet race in any of the categories but stand to be proved wrong. Doesn't the fact that he was more than a second a lap better than everyone else in heavy rain seem suspicious?

Edwards commented that Michelin refused his requests for a softer tyre. Most Michelin runners who actually finished complained that their tyres were too hard for the conditions and the finishing positions and behaviour of the bikes seems to uphold that opinion.

Did Michelin give Pedrosa the soft wets despite telling everyone else to use the harder wets in order to ensure that the only rider who can now win them the championship got what they considered the best tyres?
[/conspiracy theory]

I said something along those lines
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Nobody said anything though

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Jul 16 2008, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Something that hasn't been mentioned here, not even by our arch conspiracy theorist Lex, is Pedrosa's tyres.

[conspiracy theory]
Pedrosa is a poor wet weather rider as was pointed out by the Eurosport and BBC commentators even if we had forgotten. I don't remember Pedrosa ever wining a wet race in any of the categories but stand to be proved wrong. Doesn't the fact that he was more than a second a lap better than everyone else in heavy rain seem suspicious?

Edwards commented that Michelin refused his requests for a softer tyre. Most Michelin runners who actually finished complained that their tyres were too hard for the conditions and the finishing positions and behaviour of the bikes seems to uphold that opinion.

Did Michelin give Pedrosa the soft wets despite telling everyone else to use the harder wets in order to ensure that the only rider who can now win them the championship got what they considered the best tyres?
[/conspiracy theory]

Tinfoil hat time. I think Michelin gave him preferential treatment. He is their only chance of winning the title and they need to give him every opportunity to do so, especially if his weakness is wet weather riding. If the riders are asking for a specific compound I wonder why they didn't get it, sure Michelin can advise them on what they think is best, but to refuse a rider a certain compound seems ...... stupid.

From Weber
"Today we used medium-range tyres today because we didn’t know whether the rain would get heavier or lighter. Should we have used softer tyres? Now we will sit around the table with our riders and we will work to improve the situation.”

Isn't it still the teams choice of what tyre compound they run?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 16 2008, 04:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>as i remember it was stoner shaking his head at marco for being slow and not getting anywhere his lap times, not getting in caseys way at all. i also remember some stoner fans saying they would have trouble defending him for that. unless where talking about another head shaking incident


You gotta be ....... kidding me Rog. You remember it that way because it suits your agenda.
Even you don't believe that garbage surely. You believe that and you believe in Cinderella.
No rider would shake their head at another for not being fast. Otherwise West & Elias would have been laughed out of the paddock by all riders nearly every race weekend.
You know it and so do I, so cut the crap.
Marco was on the racing line coming onto the home straight in the wet conditions. He wasn't on a hot lap and Stoner was. He should have been over on the inside out of the way. The shake of the head was warranted but no big deal.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jul 15 2008, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why?
Because he is so ....... boring he is bringing the sport down with him. LIke him all you want, he is a good rider I just can't stand him and could think of at least 10 other riders who I would rather see than that little .....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jul 15 2008, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No way. Look at Stoners practise spill at the top of the 'waterfall'. The extended asphalt slowed him sufficiently to avoid a faster tumble. Earlier, he overcooked a corner, which again benefits from reduced kitty litter in comparison to previous years, and was able to harmlessly rejoin the circuit. Gravel = unwanted gymnastics. Gravel = Elias @ Assen last year. Result? - broken tibia.
Gravel traps need to be smaller, run off bigger.

The gravel is the thing that slowed Dani down. Replace that with Asphalt and Pedrosa would NOT have walked away from that crash.

Now I see why you fell asleep over my post, trying to follow any logic is simply to hard work, isn't it? Stay with your one liners, they arn't as exposing as this

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jul 15 2008, 09:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Another insightful post from the highbrow world of Babelfish. Boring boring blah blah. ZZZZZZZ......Sorry, you were saying?....condescending hypocrites tend to revel in the sound of their own voice. At least even that ameoba Pinky's entertaining.
What you said.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 16 2008, 12:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What you said.

Jum, do you live in So cal?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale4607 @ Jul 15 2008, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tinfoil hat time. I think Michelin gave him preferential treatment. He is their only chance of winning the title and they need to give him every opportunity to do so, especially if his weakness is wet weather riding. If the riders are asking for a specific compound I wonder why they didn't get it, sure Michelin can advise them on what they think is best, but to refuse a rider a certain compound seems ...... stupid.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 15 2008, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I said something along those lines
LINK

Nobody said anything though

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Jul 15 2008, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Something that hasn't been mentioned here, not even by our arch conspiracy theorist Lex, is Pedrosa's tyres.

[conspiracy theory]
Pedrosa is a poor wet weather rider as was pointed out by the Eurosport and BBC commentators even if we had forgotten. I don't remember Pedrosa ever wining a wet race in any of the categories but stand to be proved wrong. Doesn't the fact that he was more than a second a lap better than everyone else in heavy rain seem suspicious?

Edwards commented that Michelin refused his requests for a softer tyre. Most Michelin runners who actually finished complained that their tyres were too hard for the conditions and the finishing positions and behaviour of the bikes seems to uphold that opinion.

Did Michelin give Pedrosa the soft wets despite telling everyone else to use the harder wets in order to ensure that the only rider who can now win them the championship got what they considered the best tyres?
[/conspiracy theory]

Agree with all three of you. I just didn’t comment because I didn’t feel like upsetting those living in Utopia like Tom, Babel, Teo, and Co. Who despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, still believe there is no difference between the reality experienced by HRC teammates.

I alluded to this peculiar situation when I posted the thread about the stark contrast between Peders pace and Hayden’s pit stop. I thought it strangely interesting that the performance of tires were so extremely opposite. Maybe it nothing and I just imagined it.


(btw sally, I quoted their entire posts just to see you smile)






<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Jul 15 2008, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jum, do you live in So cal?

Yup.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ravensby @ Jul 15 2008, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Remember Tony Elias was black flagged in Catalunya earlier this year for not taking his jump start penalty. He must not pay any attention to the flags.


Scud Elias spent his first year in GP using the rest of the riders as brakes. There was huge debate on here as to what the .... he was playing at. Since he went to Ducati, he's done jack ...., and so has had no impact on whats happening at the sharp end.

The blue flags are there for a reason, but Scud wanted to play at racing with Vale behind him. Sorry, but if he wanted to race Rossi again, (and give him his dues, he duffed him up good style at Estoril in 2006) he should get his .... together and be at the front, and not be getting lapped.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jul 15 2008, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Scud Elias spent his first year in GP using the rest of the riders as brakes.
What a great visual. Hahaha. Gold.

Ok man, you win, the ...... should have got out of the way.