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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jul 14 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He was 5 seconds behind with like 2 or 3 laps to go when he lost 1 second by getting held up. It woulda never been close, imo.
no, I was referring to the start of the race when he was having to fight through the field to get himself into 3rd. If he had been able to stay on Stoners tail during that period then it would have been a great fight. Rossi getting held up by Elias is irrelevant as his chances at victory were long gone by that point.
 
On another matter.
How is it Pedrosa was able to blow away everyone by 2 seconds a lap on supposedly the same tyres as Hayden, Dovi & Edwards who are traditionally a lot more competent riders in the wet conditions than him? Extremely puzzling. I hope the other riders had access to the same tyres because I remember reading something after the race about Michelin riders asking for a softer tyre but Webber saying no.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jul 14 2008, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>On another matter.
How is it Pedrosa was able to blow away everyone by 2 seconds a lap on supposedly the same tyres as Hayden, Dovi & Edwards who are traditionally a lot more competent riders in the wet conditions than him? Extremely puzzling. I hope the other riders had access to the same tyres because I remember reading something after the race about Michelin riders asking for a softer tyre but Webber saying no.
As Stoner said in the interview, he felt his tyres were not up to temp to be able to safewly push at the level that Pedrosa was and he was surprised by his pace. However it is also quite obvious that Pedrosa was pushing the tyres to the maximum grip they could handle which was eventually his downfall. He took the risk of pushing it hard and unfortunately felt the consequences. If he had been smart he would have reduced his pace by the time he had a 7 sec lead and just held it there keeping an eye on those behind.

It was impressive but it was also dangerous and I think you will find those on similar tyres to him were being a lot (perhaps too much) more cautious.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ospi @ Jul 14 2008, 01:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no, I was referring to the start of the race when he was having to fight through the field to get himself into 3rd. If he had been able to stay on Stoners tail during that period then it would have been a great fight. Rossi getting held up by Elias is irrelevant as his chances at victory were long gone by that point.
I agree with this, stoner and rossi had similar pace once they settled down. It would have been a good race for us to watch if they had been together at the start, but perhaps it was fortunate for both of them that they were not as one or both may have crashed. I think either could have pulled out another second or so for an individual lap, but that this would have been a risky pace to sustain over a number of laps. As it was, valentino I am sure thought that casey was too far ahead by the time he got to second; I think his tactic knowing casey's propensity for attempting to be dominant was to try to goad casey into trying to match or better his times and in doing so make a mistake.
 
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/69131

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Sylvain Guintoli has revealed that he rode most of the sodden German Grand Prix without traction control after an early electronic problem.

with this engine rumoured to be unrideable without electronics, I must say he was really good. On top of that, riders do the difference even more in the wet


I thought this was one of the more interesting things to happen in the race. Guintoli managed one of his best finished yet, with no traction control and in the wet.

It has been mentioned that the Ducati engine makes alot of power and is only useable because of Ducati's alleged superior traction control, but if that were the case, how does one account for Guintoli's result?

It would appear that the right hand makes pretty good traction control too.

A bloody good effort overall, hope to see more finishes like that for Guintoli.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cangaceiro @ Jul 14 2008, 03:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/69131

I thought this was one of the more interesting things to happen in the race. Guintoli managed one of his best finished yet, with no traction control and in the wet.

It has been mentioned that the Ducati engine makes alot of power and is only useable because of Ducati's alleged superior traction control, but if that were the case, how does one account for Guintoli's result?

Yea they have superior TC and it likely reacts faster than the other bikes.
Edwards said he had no TC because it was too late.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 13 2008, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...
Was slightly amused to see Rossi acting in a way that many of his fans have critisized as "arrogant" when others have done similar, but these guys get furstrated sometimes.

Can Stoner be stopped?
Yeah, how was that? Loved how Rossi made time to look back at him and then wave hand (not kicking boot) at him.
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I think Elias thought he was back at Estoril 2006...
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Secondly, I think only Rossi can stop Stoner (no question about Rossi's skill). All he needs just a tweak on his bike. I don't think Pedrosa can stop Stoner (unless the track is privately open up for him), since up to this point Pedrosa isn't able to fight like a dog.
Stoner is a fighter, aggressive rider, unlike Biaggi & Gibernau he's not cranked under pressure. I bet The Doctor knows that, so we have two aggressive riders here. And man,how do I hope to see a dogfight between Rossi vs Stoner in every race
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Jul 14 2008, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, how was that? Loved how Rossi made time to look back at him and then wave hand (not kicking boot) at him.
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I think Elias thought he was back at Estoril 2006...
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Secondly, I think only Rossi can stop Stoner (no question about Rossi's skill). All he needs just a tweak on his bike. I don't think Pedrosa can stop Stoner (unless the track is privately open up for him), since up to this point Pedrosa isn't able to fight like a dog.
Stoner is a fighter, aggressive rider, unlike Biaggi & Gibernau he's not cranked under pressure. I bet The Doctor knows that, so we have two aggressive riders here. And man,how do I hope to see a dogfight between Rossi vs Stoner in every race
u deserve a medal, first ever post without giving stoner a backhanded compliment
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 13 2008, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>arrr dont you start mate, pedros ok so theres nothing wrong with a bit of piss taking, dont go joining the high and mighty fun police mate. be different if he was seriously hurt.
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Pedrosa WAS hurt. Broken bones and ligaments are serious injuries.

It's not a matter of taking high moral ground at all. Only those who never tasted the asphalt on their own bones and skin (= never rode a bike in anger?) can cheer and sneer when they see a crash. Period.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Jul 14 2008, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pedrosa WAS hurt. Broken bones and ligaments are serious injuries.

It's not a matter of taking high moral ground at all. Only those who never tasted the asphalt on their own bones and skin (= never rode a bike in anger?) can cheer and sneer when they see a crash. Period.
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did you find the predrosa/hayden repsol team work motivation poster funny ? most peeps here thought it was the work of genius. i was laughing at the pictures rather than the crash. i know first hand what coming off a bike feels like mate.
 
these guys are full hypocrites. they get on their high horse when i mention rossi crashing but they love it when pedrosa or any other of their main competitors crash.
 
Ok, will throw my thoughts on the race.

Pedrosa - sensational first few laps which amounted to nothing. In all fairness he was probably pushing way harder than necessary but for a guy often accused of lacking in some areas, those few laps were gutsy and damn good to watch (IMO). The guy has what it takes, just maybe not quite yet (time will tell on that one).

Stoner - Masterclass or magnificent? Can't really decide but he did what was needed, cut the quick laps at the right time, kept the machine upright and bought it home where he needed to be. A damn good days work and shows that he is well back and in business.

VR - damn good ride. Appeared to realise early that to lose 5 points to CS was better than 25 and rode sensibly for second whilst never really appearing to look at first. In fairness though with his experience he did what would have been expected, no more or less but as with everyone who finished in those conditions a great effort.

CV - if only every race was wet (us Aussies would love that). His ride does show that the Suzuki certainly is lacking in some areas as with the levelling caused by rain he was again a threat. Easy to say that he is a rain master but to me the bike looks to be the issue not necessarily his riding. Was good to see a bit (even slight) of agression but will need to see more of that to be at threat going ahead.

DeAngelis - good impressive ride chasing the Rainmaster which certainly surprised this poster but good to see. Showed courage and ability and also that maybe his Honda is not the equal of the others, although with the first 4 on Bridgestones it could well have been the tyres. Like CV, time will tell but that was a damn good mature ride for the MotoGP rookie.

Dovi - good solid ride although didn't see enough of him (or the rest of the field beyond the top 4 - 5 being fair). Still on the leraning curve and still looking good for the future.

Guinters - this was unexpected. Is he getting to grips with the Duke or was he here because of the wet and crashes? Given after race reports that he rode with no TC I am veru comfortable giving him the benefit of the doubt and saying that his day was impressive and a good day in terms of his career. He has made steady progress the last few races and may well be coming to terms with whatever the Duke requires, or could be lucky. Judgement call after Laguna.

As for the others.

West impressed in the times he was able to cut, crash and get going again for a creditable tenth, but it still won't save his career. Shame really as whilst we all hear about Hopkins injuries the commentary I was hearing was saying that West has a cracked vertebrae in the back and was still out there. Gutsy stuff.

Hayden worked hard, did little but was hampered with teh early problems but still makes the ffort to go out and try to claim a point whilst being laps down. Kudos in my book.

Edwards - well what can be said that likely hasn't already? Having easily his best year the nearly man fell victim to the conditions and really (IMO) deserves no slagging as he was one of many. Will be back for more top 5 places, just doubt that he will win one.

Lorenzo - good to see he was ok but the learning curve is getting steeper. No problems though, he has the talent but we didn't see it.

Melandri - on the positive, he was in seventh.







Garry
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Jul 14 2008, 09:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pedrosa WAS hurt. Broken bones and ligaments are serious injuries.

It's not a matter of taking high moral ground at all. Only those who never tasted the asphalt on their own bones and skin (= never rode a bike in anger?) can cheer and sneer when they see a crash. Period.
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Not completly true. Some can even cheer and laugh at their own stupid misstakes, while drinking coffee with the marshalls
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Allthough it must be said that when I posted I had no idea that the Pedrobot had broken parts.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jul 14 2008, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>these guys are full hypocrites. they get on their high horse when i mention rossi crashing but they love it when pedrosa or any other of their main competitors crash.

You've put the mirror up again?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 14 2008, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not completly true. Some can even cheer and laugh at their own stupid misstakes, while drinking coffee with the marshalls
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Allthough it must be said that when I posted I had no idea that the Pedrobot had broken parts.

I never really dislike Pedrosa, but hated him when he made a stupid mistake when leading Stoner by over 5 secs. I heard everybody-commentators and team managers said to all riders to slow down and take it easy first till things settel down. That's the reason why I saw Puig really pissed off when Pedrosa crashed but Pedrosa seemed to be ok and walking just like when he crashed on Nicky in 2006 in Portugal. The buggle must felt very stupid and hopeless and a week time to go to a Bridgestone track.
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I can't say I'm not disappointed, but maybe that serves me right for believing HRC when they said they would sort things out.
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Still, looking at it positively at least he finished and got a few points.
As for people being happy when Pedro fell, no decent person wishes serious injury on another (rider, or any other job), but that doesn't mean you can't be a little bit happy when misfortune shines on someone you dislike.
At the time he didn't look injured, so yes, I did let out a small cheer, and to deny that would be being a hypocrite.

Really chuffed about Vermy doing so well, shame the bike can only be competative in the wet.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jul 14 2008, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>u deserve a medal, first ever post without giving stoner a backhanded compliment
Then why don't you just for once in a lifetime give Rossi an upperhand compliment ?..
Still not too late...I'm sure all of the guys here will appreciate that.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 14 2008, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Melandri - on the positive, he was in seventh.

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Nice review, pretty much agree with all of it.

As for injured riders, I also had a lil cheer when Dani crashed, followed by a That is a great for the championship standings. He didn't look badly injured (like Hoppers at Assen or Jorge at Catalunya) so why the hell not.

Having him not race at Laguna wasn't part of the plan.
 
LOL @ Pedrosa, ....... quality. You've now brought the fast rider back into the championship, well done. Even though I hate the ...., he was awesome at the beginning and isn't as bad as he was in wet conditions.

Well done Casey, keep it going.
 
you guys all hate on pedrosa, now i am not a fan, but he didnt do anything particualrly wrong, he said he felt real comfortable, and his lap time proved it. he wasnt pushing beyond his means.

but the conditions were atrocious and 1% change in variable, and he was off. its one of those things, it could of happen to anyone of those riders.
 

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