Basically hrc/criville screwed the bike up without doohan and it took rossi etc half the season to fix it as has been said. I am well aware of how the championship went; garry mccoy won a race on a privateer yamaha, and valentino scored a lot of points in the second half of the season. Despite this, honda managed to conclude that their almost unbroken run of success up until 2003 was due to their engineering prowess with rossi and doohan apparently only playing minor roles.
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Basically hrc/criville screwed the bike up without doohan and it took rossi etc half the season to fix it as has been said. I am well aware of how the championship went; garry mccoy won a race on a privateer yamaha, and valentino scored a lot of points in the second half of the season. Despite this, honda managed to conclude that their almost unbroken run of success up until 2003 was due to their engineering prowess with rossi and doohan apparently only playing minor roles.
But then it took Rossi the 'Second' half of 2000 to fix the Bike, because he was a Rookie and Honda does not listen to Rookies above #1 Riders (I don't think any Manufacturer does). First half of 2000; who knows how the Rookie will perform. Second half; the Rookie has a clue. So if it takes Rossi half a Season, it was until off Season / starting 2001 that he got what he needed really. I am still not completely convinced either, a Rookie, how many Rookies have been unfulfilled promises? Who actually knew in 2000 / 2001 Rossi was going to be the best ever? I do not think he had the odds he has know!
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How can Doohan (or anybody for that matter) know Rossi was going to be a Great MotoGP developer? Maybe they could have known he could become one of the Greatest Riders, but so did Honda thought with Pedrosa. And even if Rossi had good record developing 250 or 125, both in which he only got 2 years, which is not that much to be confident about his developmental skills, you cannot be sure he would become such a Great 500/990/800 two Manufactures Developer, and make such a Great Team and understanding with Burgess. People with eyes knew he was a Great Rider, other than that, I do not think anyone would have bet in Rossi becoming the Greatest Rider of All Times + Developer, much the less Honda, without their bikes.
V, I dare suspect that many with vast experience in a paddock would be able to tell with far greater ease than us sitting at our screens.
Afterall, is it not often said that as part of the VR mystique, that which makes him so great is/was his performances in developing and taking underpowered or understrength motorcycles to 125cc and 250cc championships?
Given this is an oft stated fact (nothing to be disagreed with either) would it not go that people would recognise the abilities as both a rider, a racer, a user of the available equipment and also recognise just what this rider (VR in this case) had done to develop a machine to be competitive?
To me, those in the paddock know the differences between someone recognised as a racer, a rider or to paraphrase and combinet he lot - an absolute package.
I recall JB, MD and others (Rainey, Lawson, Schwantz) all picking VR to dominate for years to come based on his 'all round' abilities.
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Of course Doohan (and others) could only trust he would be a great rider with the 500's as well (he already was a world champ in 250).
But Rossi never had to develop anything with Aprilia, so when they discovered he could also help the development of the NSR, that was an added bonus.
And he helped later with the 990cc.
Then they let him go... stupid corporate logicians
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Of course Doohan (and others) could only trust he would be a great rider with the 500's as well (he already was a world champ in 250).
But Rossi never had to develop anything with Aprilia, so when they discovered he could also help the development of the NSR, that was an added bonus.
And he helped later with the 990cc.
Then they let him go... stupid corporate logicians
Exactly my point! This did not happen in the very first race of 2000, I asume 8 out of 16 races to start trusting him more than a #1 Rider from a different #1 Team. So by the time he developed it to his likings, it was the end of 2000 or start of 2001.
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You think bro? He's gonna need to be rookie of the year at least otherwise its gonna go to some rider currently on a factory ride. If JL goes to Duc, assuming Stoner goes to HRC, who at HRC will go? In a way I think you may be right because of all the factory riders, Spies might be the least expensive. I think HRC can afford Pedro & Stones, so Dovi might be the man out, assuming that Pedro will be over him at season end standings. Do you think Nicky is safe at Duc?
Another earth shattering thought I had, could HRC gun for both Stones & Lorenzo to try and stack their team with two aliens? Dovi to Duc (afterall, he is Italian). And Pedro to some sat Honda?
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I got a feeling Hrc would ditch dovi before Dani basesd on results and marketing but if lorenzo is willing to go to hrc it will have to be as #1 rider and i cant see him wanting to be in a team that employs dani, so the choice would be Lorenzo or dani. No brainer i think.
If Spies gets the fiat ride than it would be as #2 rider regardless of his team mate being rossi or lorenzo. So far thats more than he has earned. I say that because where only 3 races in so by the end of the season he may well have earned the factory ride but not as #1 rider. That will take a couple more years of superb results.
My guess:
Fiat Yamaha = Rossi #1 & Spies? or even Simoncelli?
Repsol Honda = Lorenzo #1 & Dovisiozo #2, because Lorenzo will have 2009 & 2010 2nd place finishes and Repsol urgently need a Spanish in Honda’s main bike too obviously.
Ducati Marlboro = Stoner #1 & Hayden #2, could be just the opposite if Hayden is above overall.
Rizla Suzuki = Capirossi & Bautista, stay put.
Gresini Honda = Melandri & Pedrosa? Or even Elias? If he wins Moto2 and trades places with Pedrosa.
The rest stay put too.
Fiat Yamaha = Rossi #1 & Spies? or even Simoncelli?
Repsol Honda = Lorenzo #1 & Dovisiozo #2, because Lorenzo will have 2009 & 2010 2nd place finishes and Repsol urgently need a Spanish in Honda’s main bike too obviously.
Ducati Marlboro = Stoner #1 & Hayden #2, could be just the opposite if Hayden is above overall.
Rizla Suzuki = Capirossi & Bautista, stay put.
Gresini Honda = Melandri & Pedrosa? Or even Elias? If he wins Moto2 and trades places with Pedrosa.
The rest stay put too.
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Actually, this is what is happening according to many well-informed people; MotoSprint actually wrote the same in a recent article. Honda wants to win at all costs in 2011, and then keep winning. Will Lorenzo accept HRC's offer? For Lorenzo, who certainly is not afraid of anyone, it could be very tempting to try to beat first Rossi and then Stoner on the same machinery -- that would give him the #1 status he so strongly desires. Assuming he can really do both things, of course
V, It is already reported that Capirossi is looking for another ride, possibly a 6th satellite Duc. It is widely reported that Stoner has already signed an agreement with Honda. And no way is Pedrosa going to a satellite bike. If Lorenzo moves which I highly doubt he will go to Ducati which means Pedrosa will stay at Honda or go to Suzuki. If Lorenzo stays at Yamaha then Pedrosa will go to Ducati.
I seriously think that Suzuki will make the decision to either go hard or go home. If they go hard they need Pedrosa. I wouldn't be surprised to see Suzuki do a fake pull out to draw maximum assistance from Dorna to keep them on the grid and assist in funding Pedrosa's move to the team along with a new Spanish title sponsor and 2 satellite bikes. If I remember correctly Rizla only signed on for 1 more year and even that was sketchy.
Do you mean:
- wildly reported or
- widely speculated or
- wildly speculated
Because surly it has not been confirmed that he has signed, has it? I don't know what those jurnos call it but I strongly doubt the report anything of what you suggest
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Do you mean:
- wildly reported or
- widely speculated or
- wildly speculated
Because surly it has not been confirmed that he has signed, has it? I don't know what those jurnos call it but I strongly doubt the report anything of what you suggest
Got to agree, way to early for official statement's or contracts to be signed. Sure they have probably talked and shown an interest but that's all imo. Just journo's trying to sell story's because of the media void cause by the lack of racing to the season start.
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If Pedrosa is out of Honda - he'll be looking for either the seat vacated by Spies, Stoner... or Edwards who should be
making his way to WSBK with all the other geezers who can't cut the mustard any more in MGP.. My guess is Pedrosa
would rather eat Lorenzo's .... than get saddled with the Suzuki.
Suzuki needs to get ride of him....and IMO they should have keep Vermeulen over Capirossi. CV had 7 podiums for Suzuki...6 on the 800cc bike Including 1 win (Suzuki's only MotoGP win), and more points than Capirossi had .
They should have the guy who was getting it on the poduims help with the new rider they were bringing in, not some old guy just out there riding around and crashing. Plus Vermeulen said he would ride for free to help with maney being tight....
if they based it on 2009 points total Capirossi finished 9th with 110points and CV finished 12th with 106....looks like 4 points was worth more than 6 podiums with win to Suzuki.
