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Formula 1 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 30 2009, 06:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm really pretty furious about the rules package though. F1 swore that the new downforce rules designed to create "slight" oversteer wouldn't be dangerous.

Where did you get the idea that the rules wwere designed to create oversteer? I haven't seen anything of the sort. I also don't think the new cars appear any more dangerous than last years, they perhaps looks safer.
 
Shame, Vettel was doing very good, and to be honest Kubica did a rushed move, he had the time to overtake , but is both fault since Vettel trieds to close on him, anyway that happaend in less than 3 seconds so there's no time to think in what's the best you can do, but Vettel don't deserve that penalty x_x, hamilton got lucky he would be out of points zone if al the incidents wouldn't happened
 
The biggest misjustice happened to Trulli imo. Hamilton himself admitted that he let Trulli pass him purposefully and now he has to pay by not getting any points! .... those old fuckers deciding all this .... SUCK.

Even I could run F1 better than it's run at the moment...


Propably...
 
Well problem was there was no TV images to take a decision, but now some footage from a fan's camera appeared showing that LH did pull over and let JT through and I guess the situation will be fixed in the appeal hearing.

The penalty to Vettel does seem it was for running with 3 wheels not for the crash itself so I guess the stewards acted correctly then.
 
There are TWO penalties.

The Red Bull team was penalized $50K for telling Vettel to drive around on three wheels.
The stupid 10 place grid demotion is for the crash. I'd be angry if I gave a rat's ....

I'll admit that I downloaded the race, and watched most of it; but my curiosity and interest in this year's Eff Wun season is pretty much DOA. The officiating is as bad as ever, and the politics will only get worse.
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Once MGP and WSB get cranking
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, F1 will drop completely from my radar.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Mar 30 2009, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well problem was there was no TV images to take a decision, but now some footage from a fan's camera appeared showing that LH did pull over and let JT through and I guess the situation will be fixed in the appeal hearing.

I'm not sure about that at all. In fact I recently read that they don't even have to take the appeal in consideration.

But I hope that Jarno gets some justice, cause this is ridiculous.
 
By the way, I was right. Toyota actually gave up with the appeal based on the previous decisions (like with Hamilton last year, his case of time penalty wasn't taken up for consideration at all).
 
Lewis Hamilton and McLaren have been excluded from the Australian GP classification in the wake of Thursday's hearing with the FIA.

Hamilton was involved in an incident with Jarno Trulli whereby the Brit passed Trulli under yellows when the Toyota driver went off the track. Trulli, however, came back and retook third place, claiming that a slowing Hamilton had led him to believe that he had an ailing McLaren thereby making it legal for Trulli to pass him.

The stewards, though, sided with Hamilton and McLaren in the incident, and handed Trulli a 25s penalty, which dropped him out of the points and promoted Hamilton to third.

But in light of new evidence, radio transmision, the FIA called the Aussie race stewards, Hamilton and Trulli to appear before motorsport's governing body in Malaysia on Thursday where it was deemed that the evidence contradicted Hamilton's statement to the race stewards.

As a result the Brit and his McLaren team have been disqualified from the Australian GP results.

A statement issued by the stewards said: "The Stewards having considered the new elements presented to them from the 2009 Australian Formula One Grand Prix, consider that driver No 1 Lewis Hamilton and the competitor Vodafone McLaren Mercedes acted in a manner prejudicial to the conduct of the event by providing evidence deliberately misleading to the Stewards at the hearing on Sunday 29th March 2009, a breach of Article 151c of the International Sporting Code.

"Under Article 158 of the International Sporting Code the driver No 1 Lewis Hamilton and the competitor Vodafone McLaren Mercedes are excluded from the race classification for the 2009 Australian Grand Prix and the classification is amended accordingly."

The outcome of Thursday's hearing also sees Trulli's penalty being overturned and the Toyota driver returned to third place in the classification.

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another season of f1 .... /rules /regulations /appeals etc feckin crazy this sport
 
I'm not surprised at all that Hamilton's word to the stewards contradicted what they found to be the actual truth. The guy is a cheater just like his cutting through the chicane last year at Spa. And to whomever sided with Hamilton and thought that his move at Spa was legal...don't know shiit about racing, period.

And you wonder why some folks don't like the guy.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Apr 2 2009, 07:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not surprised at all that Hamilton's word to the stewards contradicted what they found to be the actual truth. The guy is a cheater just like his cutting through the chicane last year at Spa. And to whomever sided with Hamilton and thought that his move at Spa was legal...don't know shiit about racing, period.

And you wonder why some folks don't like the guy.

Considering that they had to retro-actively make a rule that outlawed what Lewis did shows what a difficult penalty it was to justify. That combined with the FIA representatives advice and the fact that the FIA have taken the opposite judgement on similar events in the past and sice that incident is what leads many racing fans to question the FIA in that particular case. Ultimately stewards interferance was going to be controversial either way with such a difficult situation.

As far as this safety car incident goes, it seems foolish to try and mislead the stewards and he's cost himself an admirable 4th place in the process. He'll learn to pick his fights soon enough, or just become yet another racer so desperate to win that they come across as arrogant for most of their careers. Some of the best champions have been like this and i don't think it does their record any harm if it gets them the results in the long run.
 
Well in the light of the new evidence I think McLaren has gotten off quite lightly from this, considering the last team to blatantly lie and cheat (Honda with the secret fuelt tank) got a 2 race ban.

It was pretty foolish to say something ON TV then say the opposite to the stewards and hope they will not notice!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Apr 2 2009, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well in the light of the new evidence I think McLaren has gotten off quite lightly from this, considering the last team to blatantly lie and cheat (Honda with the secret fuelt tank) got a 2 race ban.

It was pretty foolish to say something ON TV then say the opposite to the stewards and hope they will not notice!

Well the FIA have said they may take further action, up to and including exclusion from the world championship. Given what i have seen i think the race DQ is deserved, but i think total exclusion would be a bit heavy handed, if nothing else is done though the team should consider themselfes lucky. They are trying to pass it off as mis understanding, but i don't think they have a lot to fall back on at this point.
 
Practice from day 1 is done, Ferrari look good again while Williams and Brawn are still there but so far haven't seemed to have the scalding pace they did last weekend. Renault and BMW look like the most obviously struggling teams at this point, but of course its still early to tell with F1.
 
BMW showed impressive pace in Australia I expect them to improve. Renault was 10th with Piquet, so not bad, can't really judge Alonso's pace since he is sick (ear infection) and did a minimum of lap (least of all drivers).

Ferrari are on fire ...
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The diffuser trio should make the most of this race because the other teams will have ready new diffusers for China, that's if they don't get banned in the April 14th hearing.

About the LH/Trulli issue I think getting kicked out from the championship is ridiculous, as it is now or maybe one more race ban for LH seems fair to me. Though the team (who are the ones that came up with the idea) should receive a harsher punishment (fine + WCC points taken out (when they get some
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Well seems Button is looking to win back to back races, he's on pole with a reasonable fuel load (more than his closest competitors)

Only trouble seems the Mercedes gearboxes, Barrichello broke his and Hamilton too (in Australia) they're supposed to last 4GPs ...

I don't see any non-illegal-diffuser team fighting for the win, Vettel is starting 13th with the penalty and he was very light.

My prediction top 3:

Button
Trulli
Glock

That's of course if it stays dry!
 
^I don't think so. Trulli has never been quite as excellent in races as he is in qualifying. Barichello may get close to the top too even though he starts from 9th. Räikkönen has KERS on the start, but Ferrari simply seems to be behind those teams...

I'd say:

1. Button
2. Trulli
3. Barichello
4. Glock
5. Räikkönen
6. Rosberg
7. Kubica
8. Webber or maybe Alonso

In any case, it's difficult to say. I may be all wrong.
 
Another brilliant race today, motogp may actually struggle to be this exciting in 09. Button was flawless again but in all conditions and on a permanent circuit now it seems clear that Brawn has the best car. Toyota are doing pretty well so far, but besides them nobody else has racked up any significant points.
 

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