Renault is the ugliest of them all... ...., that nose is wider than an average american!
But most of them look alright actually, but that's just my opinion.
But most of them look alright actually, but that's just my opinion.
Formula 1 2009
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That was awesome! Good racing, brilliant result. Kubica and Vettel tossed away decent results going for it all, but thats better than everyone playing it safe. I can't wait to see what happens next weekend!
Gotta agree with that. Very entertaining. These new regulations seem to work great after all (in terms of excitment atleast). these kinds of results give a very interesting start for the rest of the season. Will Ferrari be stronger next weekend? Can Mclaren rise from where they are? (Lewis obviously got very lucky today to get 4th)
Button and Barichello really seem to have shot for even the title if it goes like this. Just like I predicted! I thought that Vettel would be strong too, which he was, but such a shame he threw it all away with Kubica (both were equally quilty of that I think).
Results to be found here:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74038
Button and Barichello really seem to have shot for even the title if it goes like this. Just like I predicted! I thought that Vettel would be strong too, which he was, but such a shame he threw it all away with Kubica (both were equally quilty of that I think).
Results to be found here:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74038
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Mar 29 2009, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Gotta agree with that. Very entertaining. These new regulations seem to work great after all (in terms of excitment atleast). these kinds of results give a very interesting start for the rest of the season. Will Ferrari be stronger next weekend? Can Mclaren rise from where they are? (Lewis obviously got very lucky today to get 4th)
Button and Barichello really seem to have shot for even the title if it goes like this. Just like I predicted! I thought that Vettel would be strong too, which he was, but such a shame he threw it all away with Kubica (both were equally quilty of that I think).
Results to be found here:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74038
I agree with the equal fault. And i think both Ferrari and Mclaren will be front runners sooner rather than later, so i'm not worried about those guys. Rosberg had a pretty disappointing resulat after looking so quick in the early stages.
All in all, the regulation changes seem to have worked. The cars were able to race each other, and in fact the battle for the podium was closer and more exciting than most motogp races. I hope this kind of action continues and this wasn't just a melbourne special, which we do get sometimes.
Button and Barichello really seem to have shot for even the title if it goes like this. Just like I predicted! I thought that Vettel would be strong too, which he was, but such a shame he threw it all away with Kubica (both were equally quilty of that I think).
Results to be found here:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74038
I agree with the equal fault. And i think both Ferrari and Mclaren will be front runners sooner rather than later, so i'm not worried about those guys. Rosberg had a pretty disappointing resulat after looking so quick in the early stages.
All in all, the regulation changes seem to have worked. The cars were able to race each other, and in fact the battle for the podium was closer and more exciting than most motogp races. I hope this kind of action continues and this wasn't just a melbourne special, which we do get sometimes.
That was quite an eventful race (mostly thanks to Nakajima and Bridgestone).
Congrats to Jenson, I guess he deserved this chance to have a superior car at least once. And well raced, as Rubens showed, you can still make a big .... up with the best car.
Rubens didn't deserve his 2nd spot, he made a .... start plunged into Webber in the first corner and then into Kimi later on, and luckily for him his car is not only damm quick but surprisingly sturdy also.
Vettel showed a lot of class, really talented kid, but made a rookie mistake, his tyres were shot and he had no chance to stop Kubica. It was quite interesting to see the tyre performance drop, IMO I think Kubica would've won this race if Vettel didn't hit him, Button's tyres were as shot as Vettel's.
I didn't pay much attention to Trulli but he must have done a pretty good job to go from last to 3rd. Also helps that the Toyota is pretty quick even with the rigid legal wing!
Hamilton was very good, the ....... got 5 points out of a car and position that looked like ZERO.
Glock was not bad, except for the spin.
Alonso was OK, I guess 3 points when you were in the grass in turn one is not bad. I'm pretty dissapointed with Renault though, they're pretty slow ... they look as bad as McLaren!
Rosberg was pretty good too, quick, Williams is very quick!
Buemi IMO was impressive, first ever race on a Toro Rosso and was in the points all the race long, if he hadn't stop so early for soft he could've been really high up.
Bourdais got humilliated by a rookie (2nd year in a row) he should go back to America to race in circles against fat, old hillbillies, he doesn't seem good enough for F1.
Same goes for Nakajima, miles away from Rosberg and can't even keep it on track. And Piquet wasn't any better, not that anyone expected it (the excuses get lamer "my brakes went crazy").
I'm sorry for Webber, the guy is always unlucky at home, and Kovalainen also got collected by Rubens by no fault of his own.
And what about Ferrari ... well Kimi ...... up again, Massa was not good, but not as bad his car's reliability. They will be up soon, but they can't expect to win WDCs and WCCs with double DNFs.
KERS seems to be more of a disadvantage than an advantage right now, if it weren't for Nakajima, Vettel and Kubica crashing first kersed car would've been Hamilton maybe not in the points position.
IMO the order of car pace is:
Brawn
...
Williams
Toyota
...
Ferrari
BMW (without KERS)
Red Bull
...
Renault
McLaren
...
Toro Rosso
Force India
Congrats to Jenson, I guess he deserved this chance to have a superior car at least once. And well raced, as Rubens showed, you can still make a big .... up with the best car.
Rubens didn't deserve his 2nd spot, he made a .... start plunged into Webber in the first corner and then into Kimi later on, and luckily for him his car is not only damm quick but surprisingly sturdy also.
Vettel showed a lot of class, really talented kid, but made a rookie mistake, his tyres were shot and he had no chance to stop Kubica. It was quite interesting to see the tyre performance drop, IMO I think Kubica would've won this race if Vettel didn't hit him, Button's tyres were as shot as Vettel's.
I didn't pay much attention to Trulli but he must have done a pretty good job to go from last to 3rd. Also helps that the Toyota is pretty quick even with the rigid legal wing!
Hamilton was very good, the ....... got 5 points out of a car and position that looked like ZERO.
Glock was not bad, except for the spin.
Alonso was OK, I guess 3 points when you were in the grass in turn one is not bad. I'm pretty dissapointed with Renault though, they're pretty slow ... they look as bad as McLaren!
Rosberg was pretty good too, quick, Williams is very quick!
Buemi IMO was impressive, first ever race on a Toro Rosso and was in the points all the race long, if he hadn't stop so early for soft he could've been really high up.
Bourdais got humilliated by a rookie (2nd year in a row) he should go back to America to race in circles against fat, old hillbillies, he doesn't seem good enough for F1.
Same goes for Nakajima, miles away from Rosberg and can't even keep it on track. And Piquet wasn't any better, not that anyone expected it (the excuses get lamer "my brakes went crazy").
I'm sorry for Webber, the guy is always unlucky at home, and Kovalainen also got collected by Rubens by no fault of his own.
And what about Ferrari ... well Kimi ...... up again, Massa was not good, but not as bad his car's reliability. They will be up soon, but they can't expect to win WDCs and WCCs with double DNFs.
KERS seems to be more of a disadvantage than an advantage right now, if it weren't for Nakajima, Vettel and Kubica crashing first kersed car would've been Hamilton maybe not in the points position.
IMO the order of car pace is:
Brawn
...
Williams
Toyota
...
Ferrari
BMW (without KERS)
Red Bull
...
Renault
McLaren
...
Toro Rosso
Force India
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Mar 29 2009, 08:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Vettel showed a lot of class, really talented kid, but made a rookie mistake, his tyres were shot and he had no chance to stop Kubica.
I'm sorry for Webber, the guy is always unlucky at home, and Kovalainen also got collected by Rubens by no fault of his own.
They all seem to drive like rookies to me at present, perhaps related to 10 or more years where overtaking on the track in F1 was almost impossible, since there is no reason why today's drivers should not at least potentially be as good or better than those of 10 or 20 years ago.
I have followed mark webber's career and despaired. I would love to see him do well, but if being lucky is the same as being good, being as unlucky as he is becomes hard to distinguish from not being any good. The number of first lap incidents in which he has been involved both at home and overseas suggests to me there must be something wrong with how he starts in races. Whilst he has generally had bad luck at home, his point scoring drive after a large part of the field crashed in his first ever F1 race, for minardi in Melbourne, probably led to his entire subsequent career.
I'm sorry for Webber, the guy is always unlucky at home, and Kovalainen also got collected by Rubens by no fault of his own.
They all seem to drive like rookies to me at present, perhaps related to 10 or more years where overtaking on the track in F1 was almost impossible, since there is no reason why today's drivers should not at least potentially be as good or better than those of 10 or 20 years ago.
I have followed mark webber's career and despaired. I would love to see him do well, but if being lucky is the same as being good, being as unlucky as he is becomes hard to distinguish from not being any good. The number of first lap incidents in which he has been involved both at home and overseas suggests to me there must be something wrong with how he starts in races. Whilst he has generally had bad luck at home, his point scoring drive after a large part of the field crashed in his first ever F1 race, for minardi in Melbourne, probably led to his entire subsequent career.
Result ammended, McLaren protested and Trulli got a 25s penalty so the ones behind get up one position.
Also Vettel got a 10 place grid demotion for next race quali. And Red Bull 50K € fine for telling him to stay on track with 3 wheels.
So we start again with post-race fiddling with results. I haven't seen the Trulli incident apparently he went off track and regained the position under SC.
The Vettel penalty seems a bit harsh to me.
Also Vettel got a 10 place grid demotion for next race quali. And Red Bull 50K € fine for telling him to stay on track with 3 wheels.
So we start again with post-race fiddling with results. I haven't seen the Trulli incident apparently he went off track and regained the position under SC.
The Vettel penalty seems a bit harsh to me.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Mar 29 2009, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Result ammended, McLaren protested and Trulli got a 25s penalty so the ones behind get up one position.
Also Vettel got a 10 place grid demotion for next race quali. And Red Bull 50K € fine for telling him to stay on track with 3 wheels.
So we start again with post-race fiddling with results. I haven't seen the Trulli incident apparently he went off track and regained the position under SC.
The Vettel penalty seems a bit harsh to me.
If Truli is overtaking under the safety car then a penalty is the only option, as for the Vettel penalty, i think it's harsh, looked like a racing incident to me.
Also Vettel got a 10 place grid demotion for next race quali. And Red Bull 50K € fine for telling him to stay on track with 3 wheels.
So we start again with post-race fiddling with results. I haven't seen the Trulli incident apparently he went off track and regained the position under SC.
The Vettel penalty seems a bit harsh to me.
If Truli is overtaking under the safety car then a penalty is the only option, as for the Vettel penalty, i think it's harsh, looked like a racing incident to me.
Well of course that's McLaren's point of view, Toyota's is that Trulli went wide to avoid the debris and Hamilton overtook him there so Trulli just reclaimed his 3rd position. Toyota has appealed, but so far the stewards agreed with McLaren's story.
Interesting race, wish I had bet money on Brawn GP... Vettel & Kubica were just racing for position, but there was no room for Kubica on the outside.
Cars are ugly though, roll on Sepang and then China.
Cars are ugly though, roll on Sepang and then China.
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I can't believe they're penalizing Vettel.
Kubica was a nose ahead, but squeezed way too hard around 1:03, pretty much turning directly into SV. The cars get tangled up and that's that.
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What a joke.
This is exactly why the asinine medal system will never work; this pathetic 'sport' does not allow racing.
Kubica was a nose ahead, but squeezed way too hard around 1:03, pretty much turning directly into SV. The cars get tangled up and that's that.
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What a joke.
This is exactly why the asinine medal system will never work; this pathetic 'sport' does not allow racing.
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An electrician that I work with looks and sounds exactly like Ross Brawn.
Jenson Button reminds me of Chris Martin out of Coldplay.
That's about all I have to say about this 'sport', because I know eff all about it. I really should pay attention..the last time I looked, Nelson Piquet threatened before the race to run Alan Jones into the harbour at Monaco. Used to love my Scalextric version of Hunt's McClaren M23 though, as well as my Prost/Arnoux Renault RE30, and ardently followed Jody Shekter as a kid. Fortunately after much persuasion, my Dad took me to an Easter trans-atlantic challenge at Oulton, and a year or so later, Mallory ('79 I think); soon after, cage racing was history
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I'll admit to being in awe of Senna, secretly cheering for Damon, and the fact that I'll be keeping half an eye on Malaysia next week (- On second thoughts, make that a cursory glance, can't let anything detract from WSB Valencia)
Jenson Button reminds me of Chris Martin out of Coldplay.
That's about all I have to say about this 'sport', because I know eff all about it. I really should pay attention..the last time I looked, Nelson Piquet threatened before the race to run Alan Jones into the harbour at Monaco. Used to love my Scalextric version of Hunt's McClaren M23 though, as well as my Prost/Arnoux Renault RE30, and ardently followed Jody Shekter as a kid. Fortunately after much persuasion, my Dad took me to an Easter trans-atlantic challenge at Oulton, and a year or so later, Mallory ('79 I think); soon after, cage racing was history
I'll admit to being in awe of Senna, secretly cheering for Damon, and the fact that I'll be keeping half an eye on Malaysia next week (- On second thoughts, make that a cursory glance, can't let anything detract from WSB Valencia)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Mar 29 2009, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can't believe they're penalizing Vettel.
They are penalizing Vettel for continuing with 3 sodding wheels lol not for the incident. And whoever told him to carry on to try and get points needs the boot. The thing is because F1 is so contrived you know that the top three finishers will probably be deemed cheats at the next appeal and we will all be back to square one. However, it does make for an interesting season. I rekon Raikonnen was pissed lol.
XX Liz
They are penalizing Vettel for continuing with 3 sodding wheels lol not for the incident. And whoever told him to carry on to try and get points needs the boot. The thing is because F1 is so contrived you know that the top three finishers will probably be deemed cheats at the next appeal and we will all be back to square one. However, it does make for an interesting season. I rekon Raikonnen was pissed lol.
XX Liz
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (l13eaw @ Mar 29 2009, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>They are penalizing Vettel for continuing with 3 sodding wheels lol not for the incident. And whoever told him to carry on to try and get points needs the boot.
No, the team was fined for instructing him to carry on, the penalty for the next race is for the inciddent itself.
No, the team was fined for instructing him to carry on, the penalty for the next race is for the inciddent itself.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 29 2009, 06:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No, the team was fined for instructing him to carry on, the penalty for the next race is for the inciddent itself.
No way thats appalling isn't it. Must of wondered why he got out of bed this morning. He deserves the 10 place penalty for dangerous driving after the event though not the incident itself that was both of them IMO.
Formula 1 sucks.
No way thats appalling isn't it. Must of wondered why he got out of bed this morning. He deserves the 10 place penalty for dangerous driving after the event though not the incident itself that was both of them IMO.
Formula 1 sucks.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Mar 28 2009, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Renault is the ugliest of them all... ...., that nose is wider than an average american!
But most of them look alright actually, but that's just my opinion.
Correction....the Force India car is the ugliest of them all. That nose sticks up higher than snobby Europeans, plus a horrendous livery to boot.
But most of them look alright actually, but that's just my opinion.
Correction....the Force India car is the ugliest of them all. That nose sticks up higher than snobby Europeans, plus a horrendous livery to boot.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (l13eaw @ Mar 29 2009, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No way thats appalling isn't it. Must of wondered why he got out of bed this morning. He deserves the 10 place penalty for dangerous driving after the event though not the incident itself that was both of them IMO.
Formula 1 sucks.
Yea its a bit of a piss take if you ask me. They keep stressing how they want to encourage the drivers to take risks for the win to make the racing more exciting, but if getting it wrong ruins not only that day, but the next race too then nobody will want to do it. To me it was pretty clearly a racing incident, and the penalty stinks even more as the move was quite similar to the Spa incident last season, except with the blame going the other way.
Formula 1 sucks.
Yea its a bit of a piss take if you ask me. They keep stressing how they want to encourage the drivers to take risks for the win to make the racing more exciting, but if getting it wrong ruins not only that day, but the next race too then nobody will want to do it. To me it was pretty clearly a racing incident, and the penalty stinks even more as the move was quite similar to the Spa incident last season, except with the blame going the other way.
Great race for Brawn getting a 1-2, even if Rubens was lucky to get handed 2nd. Glock and Nakajima were as entertaining as ever. Lewis did a great job getting a podium from 18th, especially as his car's supposed to be a piece of crap. And it would have been nice to see the Ferrari's finish as they both seemed to have a bit of pace midway through the race.
Other than Button my driver of the day has to be Buemi. No-one really seems to have noticed him after the Brawn result, the crash and the Trulli thing though. First race, he out-qualifies Bourdais, runs as high as 5th or 6th for a while, and finishes ahead of his team mate for 2 points. I don't recall him putting a foot wrong all weekend.
Other than Button my driver of the day has to be Buemi. No-one really seems to have noticed him after the Brawn result, the crash and the Trulli thing though. First race, he out-qualifies Bourdais, runs as high as 5th or 6th for a while, and finishes ahead of his team mate for 2 points. I don't recall him putting a foot wrong all weekend.
I watched for the first time in a long time.
I was really happy to see Button notch a win, Rubens had a great race too after his terrible start.
I'm really pretty furious about the rules package though. F1 swore that the new downforce rules designed to create "slight" oversteer wouldn't be dangerous.
As far as I can tell, lack of downforce will only have a major effect when a driver is at high speed. Most of the rear end losses were at high speed.
Formula 1 have written rules to remove rear end grip at high speed.
These new rules are going to get someone killed.
I was really happy to see Button notch a win, Rubens had a great race too after his terrible start.
I'm really pretty furious about the rules package though. F1 swore that the new downforce rules designed to create "slight" oversteer wouldn't be dangerous.
As far as I can tell, lack of downforce will only have a major effect when a driver is at high speed. Most of the rear end losses were at high speed.
Formula 1 have written rules to remove rear end grip at high speed.
