Formula 1 2008

orrmate · Mar 21, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Mar 21 2008, 02:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the site was created for motogp fans to have a place to discuss and express their passion for the sport. but aside from that, the need to address other motorsports is still present and apparent, hence, the site was divided to sub-forum so that we won't need to go elsewhere.

in light of that, we ask you to respect members who are into this sport as much as we respect your posts about motogp or other stuffs that you wish to discuss.

nobody dragged you into this thread and forced you to discuss F1.

on with the F1 and F1-related topics, shall we?

Good idea.

Did you see Coulthards 'crash' in practice this morning? That red bull seems to be made of cardboard

somedamnwriter · Mar 21, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Mar 21 2008, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good idea.

Did you see Coulthards 'crash' in practice this morning? That red bull seems to be made of cardboard

and they were subsequently questioned re: the stength of their car

frosty58 · Mar 21, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 21 2008, 09:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well F1 is far more popular, in actual fact motogp wishes it was a sport near F1 but it isn't
oh tom......this is such a disapointing statement from you. motogp wishes it was the sport f1 is? please... motogp is far & above f1 in that respect. don't equate the popularity of f1 with being more of a sport than motogp. it's like comparing golf to soccer/football.

kieran · Mar 21, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 22 2008, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Please do bother. What do you consider a fair way to judge the relative merrits of two different sports? I would suggest that the number of people who follow the sport is the only truly fair assesment
Obviously then, there are so many better sports than motoGP! Soccer - fuckit, I won't call it football, cricket, rugby,baseball,basketball,ice hockey, gridiron - I won't call that American football either. This is by far the stupidest argument I've seen here.

Tom · Mar 21, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Mar 21 2008, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did you see Coulthards 'crash' in practice this morning? That red bull seems to be made of cardboard

Yea that was crap, all he did was drive over the kerb!!

Tom · Mar 21, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Mar 21 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>oh tom......this is such a disapointing statement from you. motogp wishes it was the sport f1 is? please... motogp is far & above f1 in that respect. don't equate the popularity of f1 with being more of a sport than motogp. it's like comparing golf to soccer/football.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Mar 21 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Obviously then, there are so many better sports than motoGP! Soccer - fuckit, I won't call it football, cricket, rugby,baseball,basketball,ice hockey, gridiron - I won't call that American football either. This is by far the stupidest argument I've seen here.

I was saying that in general terms i don't believe niche sports like F1 or motogp can be considered the "best" sports in the world (even though they are my favorites by far) because they are too Inaccessible to too many people. I do understand however that per event F1 is the most watched sport in the world so it does hold some weight in the mainstream, particularly above motogp.

michaelm · Mar 21, 2008

I am a long term F1 fan, and I still follow it. However I think bernie and max have been doing their very best to wreck it at least for the past decade, fortunately without quite succeeding. I vehemently disagree that motogp should follow their lead. This is separate from the argument about removing TC, which ironically might benefit motogp considerably, but in my opinion will not help things in F1 much with the current aerodynamics in place.

michaelm · Mar 21, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 21 2008, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was saying that in general terms i don't believe niche sports like F1 or motogp can be considered the "best" sports in the world (even though they are my favorites by far) because they are too Inaccessible to too many people. I do understand however that per event F1 is the most watched sport in the world so it does hold some weight in the mainstream, particularly above motogp.
I like F1, but as an arrogant elitist I don't accept your argument that popularity is the measure of which sport is the best

. WWE wrestling is fairly popular too.

Tom · Mar 21, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 21 2008, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I like F1, but as an arrogant elitist I don't accept your argument that popularity is the measure of which sport is the best

. WWE wrestling is fairly popular too.

Isn't WWE not real? without competition its not a sport.

If popularity is not a valid measure of which sport is best then what else is there?

michaelm · Mar 21, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 21 2008, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Isn't WWE not real? without competition its not a sport.

If popularity is not a valid measure of which sport is best then what else is there?
I take it you also think the spice girls made the best music in the world at the height of their popularity, and that barbara cartland is a better writer than jane austen.

Tom · Mar 21, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 21 2008, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I take it you also think the spice girls made the best music in the world at the height of their popularity, and that barbara cartland is a better writer than jane austen.

Well music is made either as an expression (in which case nobodies opinion of it matters) or for entertainment, where the most popular music has obviously been most successful at its purpose.

kieran · Mar 21, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 22 2008, 01:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Isn't WWE not real? without competition its not a sport.

If popularity is not a valid measure of which sport is best then what else is there?
Tom, WTF is wrong with you? I thought you had some rational arguments? But saying that popularity is indicative of how good a sport is, is the most irrational argument I've heard! I really can't believe that you are arguing this point on a site dedicated to a niche sport such as motoGP?
Then you try and argue that F1 is better as well - all due to popularity? Mate, you need a friggin shrink! Good luck arguing this point on this thread - but come into the real world and you'll realise your arguments are - .....

michaelm · Mar 21, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 21 2008, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well music is made either as an expression (in which case nobodies opinion of it matters) or for entertainment, where the most popular music has obviously been most successful at its purpose.
I am glad to see I am not the only sophist on the forum. I don't think you have picked a promising line of argument though.

Tom · Mar 21, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 21 2008, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think you have picked a promising line of argument though.

Would you care to explain why or are you done with this now?

michaelm · Mar 21, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 21 2008, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Would you care to explain why or are you done with this now?
Popularity is only influenced by quality, and not by availability, publicity etc etc?. Does this apply to engines, clutches, and brake pads also? If your definition of best is most popular and your definition cannot be disputed by anyone, then your argument is obviously irrefutable; it is just not my definition of best, nor I suspect that of many others.

Tom · Mar 21, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 21 2008, 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Popularity is only influenced by quality, and not by availability, publicity etc etc?. Does this apply to engines, clutches, and brake pads also? If your definition of best is most popular and your definition cannot be disputed by anyone, then your argument is obviously irrefutable; it is just not my definition of best, nor I suspect that of many others.

I am a little confused about the point you are trying to make. I was trying to explain that i think something's success should be judged by how well it fulfils its aim(s). Its my opnion that a sport is either a means of competition or an entertainment medium, in both cases F1 (and other motor sport) is surpased by sports like soccer (admitedly less so in the entertainment side). Perhaps you have a different take on the purpose of a sport or a different angle for quantifying its success...............

Tom · Mar 21, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Mar 21 2008, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tom, WTF is wrong with you? I thought you had some rational arguments? But saying that popularity is indicative of how good a sport is, is the most irrational argument I've heard! I really can't believe that you are arguing this point on a site dedicated to a niche sport such as motoGP?
Then you try and argue that F1 is better as well - all due to popularity? Mate, you need a friggin shrink! Good luck arguing this point on this thread - but come into the real world and you'll realise your arguments are - .....

Obviously we do not share the same viewpoint in this instance, would you care to share what you feel is the correct angle or will you continue to be a man of mistery?

Hayden Fan · Mar 21, 2008

Found a vid of DC's suspension problems. I have never seen anything like that. And those kerbs and the grass is not rought enough to cause that. The car just fell apart with the slightest of contact.

orrmate · Mar 21, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Mar 21 2008, 07:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Found a vid of DC's suspension problems. I have never seen anything like that. And those kerbs and the grass is not rought enough to cause that. The car just fell apart with the slightest of contact.
The worry is if it hits something solid, we could have a problem. We all know what happened to Ayrton, and with the way the suspension and wheels are flying everywhere on the RBR's, their suitability to race must be considered. Don't think it'll be a problem at Sepang, but Monaco will be a different issue...

Hayden Fan · Mar 21, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Mar 21 2008, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The worry is if it hits something solid, we could have a problem. We all know what happened to Ayrton, and with the way the suspension and wheels are flying everywhere on the RBR's, their suitability to race must be considered. Don't think it'll be a problem at Sepang, but Monaco will be a different issue...

Something like that happening going into the New Chicane at Monaco, and we'd have a crash worse than the crash there in the movie Grand Prix.

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