Formula 1 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 19 2008, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There is some precedent for ridiculous point scoring systems in F1; I think alan jones scored the most points but didn't win the world championship in 1979.

Yea Prost scored more points than Senna in 88 but lost out because he won less races, and i think thats rediculous. But everyone new the rules before the season started so it can only be in fairness that Senna did a better job of it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 19 2008, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yea Prost scored more points than Senna in 88 but lost out because he won less races, and i think thats rediculous. But everyone new the rules before the season started so it can only be in fairness that Senna did a better job of it.
The 1979 season was different though. Whilst I believe finishing races is an important measure of car and driver quality, I actually don't mind systems which involve discarding your worst 2 races etc too much because these may be races where you are taken out by another's error through no fault of your own. I think the 1979 rule was more arbitrary, and involved counting only a certain number of races from each half of the season (my recollection could be faulty at this remove in time; maybe they discounted races in which you wore the wrong colour underwear ). I think jones was more successful in the second half of the season but couldn't count all the results, which seems like not counting a race win because you were not in front at the half-way point. He probably would have won under any other point-scoring system in the history of F1.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 19 2008, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The 1979 season was different though. Whilst I believe finishing races is an important measure of car and driver quality, I actually don't mind systems which involve discarding your worst 2 races etc too much because these may be races where you are taken out by another's error through no fault of your own. I think the 1979 rule was far more arbitrary, and involved counting only a certain number of races from each half of the season (my recollection could be faulty at this remove in time; maybe they discounted races in which you wore the wrong colour underwear ). I think jones was more successful in the second half of the season but couldn't count all the results, which seems like not counting a race win because you were not in front at the half-way point. He probably would have won under any other point-scoring system in the history of F1.

I am reading now that the best 4 results from the first 7 and the best 4 from the last 8 races counted towards the title. Jones won 4 of the last 8 races, but retired in 5 of the first 7. He won the most races in 79, but he didn't score more points than either Ferrari driver, so you must be confused...................

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 19 2008, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am reading now that the best 4 results from the first 7 and the best 4 from the last 8 races counted towards the title. Jones won 4 of the last 8 races, but retired in 5 of the first 7. He won the most races in 79, but he didn't score more points than either Ferrari driver, so you must be confused...................
I stand corrected, I was going from memory and didn't look it up; they actually didn't even telecast F1 in australia at that time. It was still a quite stupid point scoring system though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 19 2008, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I stand corrected, I was going from memory and didn't look it up; they actually didn't telecast F1 in australia at that time. It was still a quite stupid point scoring system though.

No Worries. It doesn't sound like a good system, but in the 70's a lot of DNF's were caused my mechanical failiures so it was understandable to have a system that did not peanalise drivers for that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Mar 18 2008, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agreed with that. The BMW is still missing something.

He did get lucky. He would have won anyway, but it would have been harder if not for Ferrari's issues all weekend.
I think so too. All we can do now is speculate. McLaren was stronger than I expected them to be. Ferrari screwed up badly!! I think they still have a better race pace than McLaren though, but what's the point if you start from the back or when the car isn't reliable?? It's hard to say who would have won if Ferrari didn't have their problems, because Lewis was obviously not driving on the car's maximum. Malaysia should paint a clearer picture (although..McLaren dominated there last year, they might do it again).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Mar 19 2008, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think so too. All we can do now is speculate. McLaren was stronger than I expected them to be. Ferrari screwed up badly!! I think they still have a better race pace than McLaren though, but what's the point if you start from the back or when the car isn't reliable?? It's hard to say who would have won if Ferrari didn't have their problems, because Lewis was obviously not driving on the car's maximum. Malaysia should paint a clearer picture (although..McLaren dominated there last year, they might do it again).

I thought with the spy crap, McLaren would struggle to score points, but I guess not.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Mar 19 2008, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I thought with the spy crap, McLaren would struggle to score points, but I guess not.
A few months ago I was thinking the same. I really thought Ferrari would be much stronger, but then the last few weeks McLaren looked strong in testing, and of course Melbourne proved they're again a title contender. Ferrari NEEDS to do well this week, they don't want to let McLaren built a gap this early in the season!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Mar 19 2008, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A few months ago I was thinking the same. I really thought Ferrari would be much stronger, but then the last few weeks McLaren looked strong in testing, and of course Melbourne proved they're again a title contender. Ferrari NEEDS to do well this week, they don't want to let McLaren built a gap this early in the season!!

Ferrari didn't even score a point in the first race! That is one thing they need to end. You have to score points at most every race if you want to win another championship.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Mar 19 2008, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ferrari didn't even score a point in the first race! That is one thing they need to end. You have to score points at most every race if you want to win another championship.
Well it's a good thing Kimi got one point then!!

I do think last race was a one-off, don't think they will have more weekends as terrible as this one. For sure they will win races, and score lots of points, but they need to be consistent as well. Let's hope they will start doing so up coming weekend!

Forza Ferrari

Oh God.

FORZA MCLAREN + LEWIS!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Mar 19 2008, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh God.

FORZA MCLAREN + LEWIS!!!



whatever!!!!!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Mar 19 2008, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I do think last race was a one-off, don't think they will have more weekends as terrible as this one.

I would have said the same thing, but things like this happened a few times last year when Mclaren's cars ran almost faultlessly. Last year Ferrari still got the job done though, and until we see more evidence to suggest otherwise i still consider them favorites to do it this year.

Forza Webber

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 19 2008, 11:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would have said the same thing, but things like this happened a few times last year when Mclaren's cars ran almost faultlessly. Last year Ferrari still got the job done though, and until we see more evidence to suggest otherwise i still consider them favorites to do it this year.
Of course you would!! Because you ALWAYS copy me

Kidding

The season has just started, and Ferrari will do a good job this year, again. But I do think it will be hard fot Raikkonen to win the title. Lewis had an even better start to the season this year, and he obviously is more experienced now. It's gonna be interesting and exciting (mainly betweem Kimi and Lewis, since I think they are the main contenders for the title).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Mar 20 2008, 12:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Forza Webber


Yeah and we could go on..

Forza Varunica

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Mar 19 2008, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

Yeah and we could go on..

Forza Varunica


Forza me

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Mar 20 2008, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Forza me
Ok, dont push it..

FORZa ALONSO!!!!

Edited: Shouldn't post while drunk

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Mar 19 2008, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Forza Webber

Your Williams picks are working out. Nico scoring a podium, true in a strange race, but a podium. And he did hold his own. He had a fast car that deserved to be on the podium.