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Near impossible is not IMPOSSIBLE. (Not yelling, just highlighting).

If Rossi's lucky stars had aligned, oooooooh the Glorification. $$$$$
 
Near impossible is not IMPOSSIBLE. (Not yelling, just highlighting).

If Rossi's lucky stars had aligned, oooooooh the Glorification. $$$$$

I definitely agree with you that near impossible is not impossible, but if that was truly orchestrated by the powers that be, it's a huge gamble to take considering the strength of Rossi's competitors. No?
 
Ok, if what you guys say is true of Valentino, and he is the tyrant emperor of motogp, why didn't the ruling bodies rule in his favor when it came to imposing his penalty last year? They easily could have put a stay of execution on his case and not imposed any points until after the last race.

That would have broken their own written rules and would have become a publicity nightmare. You cant openly allow a rider to put off punishment to enhance his chances of winning. If that were the case, everyone would be running people off course and deferring punishment to when it suited them best. RD had to punish Rossi, and they chose the slightest punishment possible under the rules. He should have been disqualified or been given a ride through, when in reality, he was not punished at all. He finished where he would have finished without penalty and got to keep Sepang points, the only difference was 25 seconds behind instead of 5 seconds. All the penalty did was give him a built in excuse as to why he blew a huge point lead in the last 4 races of the year.
 
Ok, if what you guys say is true of Valentino, and he is the tyrant emperor of motogp, why didn't the ruling bodies rule in his favor when it came to imposing his penalty last year? They easily could have put a stay of execution on his case and not imposed any points until after the last race.


Dude.... the general belief is that docking Rossi 3 pts and let him start in last position is letting him off the hook easy. He should have been black flagged or a ride thru penalty in the Sepang race and that would effectively ended his title hope. Everybody knows he would pass everybody eventually and get 4th at the very leastin valencia. Rossi did admit running Marquez wide, so they had no choice but give him some sort of penalty therefore started at the back.

I don't believe Rossi is a tyrant of Motogp or anything like that but due to his popularity which generates money for Dorna, they want to feed their golden goose and favor him over other riders which is understandable from a financial point of view but for us suckers who have to buy a 100 bucks video pass to watch every year for the racing, we feel cheated and therefore angry or irritated lol .

Having said that , anybody on this forum who are not Rossi fan or hate him like ....(like me lol, and I was once a Rossi bopper), we all admit that Rossi a a great rider, despite being a drama queen and all that. Imagine how a Rossi fan like you would feel if Lorenzo was in Rossi shoes. You would hate Lorenzo like shiet. Heck you already hate him already even though he didn't really do anything except for having a sulking attitude sometimes. I like Lorenzo for his racing ability but never his personality and if that makes me a Lorenzo bopper, so be it.[emoji2]
 
Some sort of punishment needed to be handed down, Race Direction could not not punish that maneuver. It was severeish, but with an obvious window cracked open.

Lorenzo shut it promptly.
 
Well, I somewhat agree with you too lol.

I definitely agree that he would not have made the leap if he wasn't pretty sure he could win on that bike. BUT, what if we're wrong, and he made the move based on ego and just wants to be able to potentially do something Valentino couldn't? I'm guessing it's probably a bit of both.

If that is the case then really he simply f*cked up, much like VR and JB did when they moved as they clearly underestimated the bike and perhaps over-estimated themselves when it came to that bike

Thing is, he only really needs to win a race or have a few more podiums and he has exceeded the results of Rossi but I suspect that if he were to do that he would classify himself as failed, he wants world titles

That said and as I said when the chatter first started, ego is likely the prime reason as all of these guys want, no NEED to prove how good they are to themselves, the fans and the hangers on alike and as we know to well, the age old theory (so hated by many) is that you need to win under different circumstances a few times (bikes etc)



I agree with your point about George being better than Dovi, and thus should do ok on the bike. But my honest thought is this: Let's look at mixed martial arts for an example. They have a saying that "styles make fights". They basically mean that even if a guy is a feared striker, a good wrestler might be able to neutralize that by taking him down a lot, etc. It could be the same with JLO's move to Ducati. Just because JLo is better than Dovi, doesn't mean his style is well suited for the Ducati machine. Again, I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

True, but just as relevant is that 'you never know if you dont go' and so if, and I do mean IF JL wanted a challenge, then he has now taken on a good one.

As for riding styles, well as we know, some bike/chassis/tyre combinations work well for rider A but not so well for rider B , and like you I await how it all pans out.

I will also be interested to see if he takes any team members with him as this will also help him adjust/acclimatise whereas an all new team may take longer
 
I think I've heard Rossi speak very complimentary towards Maverick??

Rossi speaks complimentary for all riders ............ until they become competitive enough to beat him, then the mood slowly and often subtly changes


I agree with you BUT, from my understanding it's Suzuki option to extend, right? I think it says if he gets a podium THEY can opt to extend him, and he has no say in the manner.

But you're right, it has to be a benefit to both parties, otherwise why would Maverick have agreed to it in the first place.

It may be a type of performance clause in Suzuki's favour but one that may also guarantee Vinales a contract increase or performance bonus (all if correct of course)
 
He could get out of the contract with Suzuki but it will cost him....and yet I think he could get out the contract with a little help from Yamaha in the form a signing bonus to cover the costs....
Viñalez is not bound by these insignificant documents called contracts. He walked out on a team before, no reason to stop now. Cuntslow had a 2 year contract too, it didn't mean .... after several crashes on the Ducati. I guess he thought the Ducati was responsible for those.

Viñalez would be a fool to pass up a seat at Yamaha, even as a number 2 (assuming Tossing doesn't use his chickenshit veto clause he writes into 'contracts'. Moving manufacturers can be easily done, contracts mean little to nothing, and in Rossi’s case, it helps to have the League's CEO acting as his personal sport's agent.

Content Warning: Look ....... (.)(.)
 
If that is the case then really he simply f*cked up, much like VR and JB did when they moved as they clearly underestimated the bike and perhaps over-estimated themselves when it came to that bike

Thing is, he only really needs to win a race or have a few more podiums and he has exceeded the results of Rossi but I suspect that if he were to do that he would classify himself as failed, he wants world titles

That said and as I said when the chatter first started, ego is likely the prime reason as all of these guys want, no NEED to prove how good they are to themselves, the fans and the hangers on alike and as we know to well, the age old theory (so hated by many) is that you need to win under different circumstances a few times (bikes etc)





True, but just as relevant is that 'you never know if you dont go' and so if, and I do mean IF JL wanted a challenge, then he has now taken on a good one.

As for riding styles, well as we know, some bike/chassis/tyre combinations work well for rider A but not so well for rider B , and like you I await how it all pans out.

I will also be interested to see if he takes any team members with him as this will also help him adjust/acclimatise whereas an all new team may take longer

Yes, it will be very interesting to see what team members go. Also, how tense will this make things in the garage? Knowing some will go and some will stay, I'd imagine that tensions might be high.
 
Viñalez is not bound by these insignificant documents called contracts. He walked out on a team before, no reason to stop now. Cuntslow had a 2 year contract too, it didn't mean .... after several crashes on the Ducati. I guess he thought the Ducati was responsible for those.

To be fair Jums, I think the Crutchlow leaving Ducati benefited Ducati greatly so may have been more mutual than CC walking out (although he initiated it - did he have a 1+1 contract pr 2 years?)

Viñalez would be a fool to pass up a seat at Yamaha, even as a number 2 (assuming Tossing doesn't use his chickenshit veto clause he writes into 'contracts'. Moving manufacturers can be easily done, contracts mean little to nothing, and in Rossi’s case, it helps to have the League's CEO acting as his personal sport's agent.

Content Warning: Look ....... (.)(.)

Totally agree , this is a chance for Vinales to get into a competitive and successful team and sometimes you need to go backward to go forward.

If the opportunity comes along, he would be a fool to ignore it .......

Now, if only Yamaha were to approach Alex Marquez for a move up from moto2
 
To be fair Jums, I think the Crutchlow leaving Ducati benefited Ducati greatly so may have been more mutual than CC walking out (although he initiated it - did he have a 1+1 contract pr 2 years?)







Totally agree , this is a chance for Vinales to get into a competitive and successful team and sometimes you need to go backward to go forward.



If the opportunity comes along, he would be a fool to ignore it .......



Now, if only Yamaha were to approach Alex Marquez for a move up from moto2



I think it was 1+1. But iirc, didn't they announce he was staying a second year then shortly afterwards announce he was leaving?
 
Viñalez is not bound by these insignificant documents called contracts. He walked out on a team before, no reason to stop now. Cuntslow had a 2 year contract too, it didn't mean .... after several crashes on the Ducati. I guess he thought the Ducati was responsible for those.

Viñalez would be a fool to pass up a seat at Yamaha, even as a number 2 (assuming Tossing doesn't use his chickenshit veto clause he writes into 'contracts'. Moving manufacturers can be easily done, contracts mean little to nothing, and in Rossi’s case, it helps to have the League's CEO acting as his personal sport's agent.

Content Warning: Look ....... (.)(.)

Vinales walked out on his team because his career manager who was the manager of the moto3 team he was riding for screwed him on a deal that would have benefited him.
That's why he walked and held back for a few races.
 
What?? If money was the factor, having Rossi WIN would be the way to make the most money for the organization. the penalty made it near impossible for him to win.



Honest question... You just won the World Lottery and with 800 Trillion Dollars you just purchased the new MotoGP Team for 2017, TPS Motosports. You have two bikes. Great bikes. You can have any two riders out there today. Who are your two riders?
 
Honest question... You just won the World Lottery and with 800 Trillion Dollars you just purchased the new MotoGP Team for 2017, TPS Motosports. You have two bikes. Great bikes. You can have any two riders out there today. Who are your two riders?



Lorenzo and Marquez, currently the two fastest riders in the championship. Managed properly they would get along as a team with no favours to either rider.
 
Honest question... You just won the World Lottery and with 800 Trillion Dollars you just purchased the new MotoGP Team for 2017, TPS Motosports. You have two bikes. Great bikes. You can have any two riders out there today. Who are your two riders?

Marquez and Vinales.

What about you?
 
Honest question... You just won the World Lottery and with 800 Trillion Dollars you just purchased the new MotoGP Team for 2017, TPS Motosports. You have two bikes. Great bikes. You can have any two riders out there today. Who are your two riders?


Rossi on a 1+1 (my option) or 2 year deal - he will bring publicity and possibly sponsors which will offset my expenses and whilst yes, if it doesn't work out it may be bad publicity, at least my team will be world known


Lorenzo - I do not want Alzamora around my team
 
Rossi on a 1+1 (my option) or 2 year deal - he will bring publicity and possibly sponsors which will offset my expenses and whilst yes, if it doesn't work out it may be bad publicity, at least my team will be world known





Lorenzo - I do not want Alzamora around my team



So, going for the slowest team? Different, I like it...
 

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