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So when will he stop getting bike updates? I'm guessing they won't want to send any new dev work off to Ducati with him, but will he still have 100% support for a while or has the plug already been pulled on his side of the garage.
My guess is that he has enough of a margin over Rossi to win races until the end of the year even with the bike he started the season with, so if Yamaha want a reigning WC in the garage next year they will need to get a bit creative, not sure they would wanna lose a win for JL in order to gain a 2nd or 3rd from Rossi would make no sense for the Teams & Constructors Titles.

Maybe they hope Jorge wins lots of races and then on the final fly away's they lose his bikes at customs lol.

Kropo said he is going to keep getting updates, just that he won't have much say in the development process any longer. He has one more official test he'll be running, then he won't run anymore since everything will be geared towards the prep for the 2017 bikes. Kropo seems to think that regardless of him leaving, Yamaha will keep giving him updates as long as he is in contention for the title as a title is better than no title. I don't know if I agree with this entirely because it really depends on what VR is singing to Yamaha.
 
Yamaha are going to be up .... creek when lorenzo goes. Only Marquez or Stoner could get them wins next year.


Wow imagine what that will look like .......... a yamaha win drought. How long ago did they have that?
 
It's truly sad that a man who will never know that you exist, exercises such control over your emotions.

Wow you're a ..... I'm trying to read some of threads but all I can find is you being a worthless troll. I hope someone takes you up on your offer and beats you into a coma.
 
Yamaha are going to be up .... creek when lorenzo goes. Only Marquez or Stoner could get them wins next year.


Wow imagine what that will look like .......... a yamaha win drought. How long ago did they have that?

2003.

I'm actually surprised this isn't a bigger a story overall; what happens if Yamaha finds itself unable to win grands prix races in 2017 because they can't get Vinales, and Rossi drops off a Peyton Manning cliff?

Yeah the focus is going to be on Lorenzo, but as Jums and I have mentioned, Yamaha and Rossi have not gotten the kind of microscope they should be getting for this.
 
Kropo said he is going to keep getting updates, just that he won't have much say in the development process any longer. He has one more official test he'll be running, then he won't run anymore since everything will be geared towards the prep for the 2017 bikes. Kropo seems to think that regardless of him leaving, Yamaha will keep giving him updates as long as he is in contention for the title as a title is better than no title. I don't know if I agree with this entirely because it really depends on what VR is singing to Yamaha.

I think someone made an earlier post that Yamaha must have mis-read the situation and assumed Lorenzo would stay for the winning chance regardless of Rossi. Rossi's performance last year was very creditable up until the Sepang press conference, but a few things did go his way which he did of course have to be good enough to exploit. Unless Yamaha know something we don't and their bike is going to be much more superior to the Honda than it has looked so far at most tracks going forward I can't see Rossi beating MM riding the way he is currently, nor can I see them getting anyone who can next year, Stoner being unavailable as has also been said.
 
I very much doubt Rossi will have such a good a shot at the title again as he did last year. Especially now that Marquez seems to have grown up. If they don't secure at least Vinales, 2017/2018 could see Yamaha become the new Ducati in terms of results.
 
Wow you're a ..... I'm trying to read some of threads but all I can find is you being a worthless troll. I hope someone takes you up on your offer and beats you into a coma.

I'm a ....?? That ..... called Rossi a worthless piece of ..... The guy donates an incredible amount of money and resources to charities, I'd hardly call him a piece of ..... He's probably done more to help the needy than everyone on this forum combined.
 
The emotions may be different, but the same would appear to
Be precisely true about you,

The difference is I'm not filled with hatred and venom towards the other riders. They may not be my favorites, but I don't hate them or call them worthless pieces of .....
 
I very much doubt Rossi will have such a good a shot at the title again as he did last year. Especially now that Marquez seems to have grown up. If they don't secure at least Vinales, 2017/2018 could see Yamaha become the new Ducati in terms of results.

Yeah I agree with you about his title hopes. I definitely think he will win some races, but his best bet for the title was 2015.
 
I think someone made an earlier post that Yamaha must have mis-read the situation and assumed Lorenzo would stay for the winning chance regardless of Rossi. Rossi's performance last year was very creditable up until the Sepang press conference, but a few things did go his way which he did of course have to be good enough to exploit. Unless Yamaha know something we don't and their bike is going to be much more superior to the Honda than it has looked so far at most tracks going forward I can't see Rossi beating MM riding the way he is currently, nor can I see them getting anyone who can next year, Stoner being unavailable as has also been said.

I know this is unrealistic but can you imagine Stoner and Rossi on the same team? Would certainly be interesting.
 
I'm a ....?? That ..... called Rossi a worthless piece of ..... The guy donates an incredible amount of money and resources to charities, I'd hardly call him a piece of ..... He's probably done more to help the needy than everyone on this forum combined.

Great, you don't think Rossi is a piece of ..... Thats definitely debatable, unlike whether or not you are a worthless piece of .... troll. That is definitely not debatable.
 
Great, you don't think Rossi is a piece of ..... Thats definitely debatable, unlike whether or not you are a worthless piece of .... troll. That is definitely not debatable.

This is coming from a guy who calls himself Mdub lmao. I'm so hurt...
 
Kropo said he is going to keep getting updates, just that he won't have much say in the development process any longer. He has one more official test he'll be running, then he won't run anymore since everything will be geared towards the prep for the 2017 bikes. Kropo seems to think that regardless of him leaving, Yamaha will keep giving him updates as long as he is in contention for the title as a title is better than no title. I don't know if I agree with this entirely because it really depends on what VR is singing to Yamaha.

With my respects to Kropo, I'll assume this belief is based on a hunch...'counter' to the current context that this is even a discussion! CONTEXT: So, we are supposed to believe Yamaha will REVERSE suddenly to support Lorenzo who has now left the manufacturer BECAUSE Yamaha:

"Above all, Yamaha conspicuously failed to defend Lorenzo. The Japanese factory tried to treat the affair as a dispute between Rossi and Márquez, ignoring the fact that Lorenzo's honor was being impugned by implication. Yamaha management did not stand up to Valentino Rossi, and try to tell him to leave Lorenzo out of the battle. They canceled events planned to celebrate what was otherwise an incredibly successful season for the factory. The events of October and November spawned a monster, and Yamaha top brass failed to slay it." Krops

"Yamaha failed to honor Lorenzo's achievements, for fear of offending his teammate. As difficult a situation as they found themselves in, not to celebrate Lorenzo's title was an act of cowardice. " Krops

But now are going to support Lorenzo so he can rub a title in Rossi’s face, the same man Yamaha did want to make uncomfortable and chose to defend against Jorge?

I applaud Kropo for having the courage to make these above statements, frankly when I read them I was pleasantly astonished. You won't find a similar indictment by such a respected voice in our sport. Kudos to Kropo! There seems to be a slight thawing of the refusal to place Rossi at the epicenter of last year's debacle, though I was also encouraged by Michael Scott recently reminding us of Rossi's "ruthlessness" as capable of fabricating the whole 'cheating' narrative to deflect from Lorenzo's superior performance.

However, the rationale for Yamaha, who are managed buy the HUMANS who facilitated this "cowardly" disaster are STILL in charge, and the man who they did not want to make uncomfortable has a 3 year lease on these human managers. Not one of those humans has the influence to match or challenge Valentino Rossi, quite the contrary, they add to his influence.

The rationale: But Yamaha will want to claim a title to celebrate.

Newsflash: Yamaha WON a title in 2015 and ....... canceled the celebration!

We are not even factoring in the MICHELIN EFFECT. (Remember, these entities are run by humans.)

(Googling to find official press release where Yamaha outline and openly admit to canceling Lorenzo's Championship Celebration Party in favor of Rossi's Pity Party because it was going to make poor Valentino uncomfortable. Migs, I'm having trouble find the official press release, you think you can help me with this? )
 
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I know this is unrealistic but can you imagine Stoner and Rossi on the same team? Would certainly be interesting.

Yes I can, as Yamaha wanted it for 2006 but guess what? Rossi veto'd it.

Good post Jums btw.
 
The other thing Jumkie is that there is only one 4 time Yamaha world champion rider, while Lorenzo is one of several 3 time champions.

See my post on the other thread for tweets by Dennis Noyes re Elias getting Dani Pedrosa's SNS tyres at Estoril 2006, which were in reference to a photo of the Michelin van delivering said tyres.
 
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With my respects to Kropo, I'll assume this belief is based on a hunch...'counter' to the current context that this is even a discussion! CONTEXT: So, we are supposed to believe Yamaha will REVERSE suddenly to support Lorenzo who has now left the manufacturer BECAUSE Yamaha:

"Above all, Yamaha conspicuously failed to defend Lorenzo. The Japanese factory tried to treat the affair as a dispute between Rossi and Márquez, ignoring the fact that Lorenzo's honor was being impugned by implication. Yamaha management did not stand up to Valentino Rossi, and try to tell him to leave Lorenzo out of the battle. They canceled events planned to celebrate what was otherwise an incredibly successful season for the factory. The events of October and November spawned a monster, and Yamaha top brass failed to slay it." Krops

"Yamaha failed to honor Lorenzo's achievements, for fear of offending his teammate. As difficult a situation as they found themselves in, not to celebrate Lorenzo's title was an act of cowardice. " Krops

But now are going to support Lorenzo so he can rub a title in Rossi’s face, the same man Yamaha did want to make uncomfortable and chose to defend against Jorge?

I applaud Kropo for having the courage to make these above statements, frankly when I read them I was pleasantly astonished. You won't find a similar indictment by such a respected voice in our sport. Kudos to Kropo! There seems to be a slight thawing of the refusal to place Rossi at the epicenter of last year's debacle, though I was also encouraged by Michael Scott recently reminding us of Rossi's "ruthlessness" as capable of fabricating the whole 'cheating' narrative to deflect from Lorenzo's superior performance.

However, the rationale for Yamaha, who are managed buy the HUMANS who facilitated this "cowardly" disaster are STILL in charge, and the man who they did not want to make uncomfortable has a 3 year lease on these human managers. Not one of those humans has the influence to match or challenge Valentino Rossi, quite the contrary, they add to his influence.

The rationale: But Yamaha will want to claim a title to celebrate.

Newsflash: Yamaha WON a title in 2015 and ....... canceled the celebration!

We are not even factoring in the MICHELIN EFFECT. (Remember, these entities are run by humans.)

(Googling to find official press release where Yamaha outline and openly admit to canceling Lorenzo's Championship Celebration Party in favor of Rossi's Pity Party because it was going to make poor Valentino uncomfortable. Migs, I'm having trouble find the official press release, you think you can help me with this? )

Great points. If they were so quick to do everything to avoid celebrating the 2015 title victory by Lorenzo, why would this change in 2016 if he were in a very real position to win the title? I don't see it happening because that would mean Lorenzo could rub it in Rossi's face as soon as the calendar turns to January 1, 2017. All of Yamaha's behavior has been indicative of a team/company that did everything they could short of verbally telling Jorge he wasn't wanted any longer at Yamaha.

You also bring up a very good point that's often overlooked by so many --and is also why GP fans/yellow brigade can't entertain the notion that things might actually be rigged towards one man's preferences-- which is the human element. So many people view the teams as being static lifeless entities rather than being living, breathing entities. Once you understand that they are fully comprised of people and therefore are subject to the whims that we ourselves are every day, it goes a long way to realizing that the things we discuss here aren't as outlandish as people think. Professionalism is a word bandied about quite a bit, and is more of an idea than a definitive reality. Human emotions and interests do outstrip ideas of professionalism...and anyone here who works a job knows that professionalism doesn't always win out. Decisions can be made purely on personal bias, preference, and opportunity. Valentino Rossi was an opportunity for Dorna that led to personal bias and preference...all made possible by human nature.
 
If somehow Lorenzo and Marquez are battling for the title down the home stretch, I can almost guarantee you that Lorenzo will lose the title by way of gremlins and mechanical issues that are deemed "unsolvable".
 
2003.

I'm actually surprised this isn't a bigger a story overall; what happens if Yamaha finds itself unable to win grands prix races in 2017

I honestly don't expect this to happen, Rossi will win races this year and the next two years until his retirement, and he may even "win" a title. The parity picture in MotoGP is such that we can eliminate just about all riders except for those on factory Honda or Yamaha. The Ducatis look good, they may win a race, whoever they will probably do it at a track that suits them like Mugello, where Marquez and Lorenzo will have a bad day, which given the unpredictability of MICHELIN, it's totally plausible. The overwhelming probability of Rossi wining a race on any given event is 1:3 right now. Marquez and Lorenzo are the only two we can reasonably expect to beat Rossi for a win on a consistent basis, but even they have poor races. For 2017-2018, Marquez might have to win every race to prevent Rossi from wining one, highly unlikely. I don't expect Lorenzo to win many races on a Ducati. This means Rossi's probabilities of winning races has gone up not down! I don't think Yamaha are losing sleep over the potential of not winning races. Their potential for winning a championship has gone down, but only because they won't have the rider most likely to beat Marquez, however Michelin, once they stabilize safety will continue their secretive work on development. Rossi’s chances of winning has gone up now that Lorenzo has been effectively eliminated.

Where Yamaha ...... up is fielding two riders that could challenge Honda. Now they only have one to do the job, having effectively got rid of Lorenzo. Whoever they go after to replace Lorenzo I think we can all agree is a downgrade. But that should not be confused with the elimination of potential race wins.
 
If somehow Lorenzo and Marquez are battling for the title down the home stretch, I can almost guarantee you that Lorenzo will lose the title by way of gremlins and mechanical issues that are deemed "unsolvable".

Then how come this didn't happen in 2015 when he was battling Rossi?
 

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