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FINALLY CONFIRMED!! Ducati Welcome Lorenzo

I heard the same thing, but how exactly does that make sense. Unless I'm reading into wrong, it's basically saying, "ok the bike probably isn't good enough to get Vinales on the podium, but if his riding is so great that he does grab a podium, then we have the right to retain him for a year, even though it was his riding that got him a podium finish and not the bike." It doesn't seem fair to Vinales, does it??



I'm obviously missing a piece of the puzzle, so what is it? It doesn't seem like a normal incentive.



Couldn't it be looked at the other way? From Suzuki's side...

The bike is good enough and should get a podium in 2016. If you want to guarantee yourself a seat on a factory ride 2017, you better get a podium.. Can't see anyone foreseeing JLo departure.

As with most things, it is all about your perspective.
 
Agreed, won't be easy on Rossi at all. BUT, that does lead nicely into the conspiracy theory that when Rossi retires he wants to become part of the Yamaha management. He'd be building a great team starting with Vinales.

I think I've heard Rossi speak very complimentary towards Maverick??

Rossi spoke kindly of Marquez...until Marquez started beating him.
 
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Agreed, won't be easy on Rossi at all. BUT, that does lead nicely into the conspiracy theory that when Rossi retires he wants to become part of the Yamaha management. He'd be building a great team starting with Vinales.



I think I've heard Rossi speak very complimentary towards Maverick??



Yes Rossi has said nice thing about vinales but he said nice thing about Marquez too, and we all know how it turned out.

If Rossi retires and is running a team, he would definitely wants young fast guys in his team, but my perception is as long as Rossi is still racing and aiming for another title, having a fast and young teammate won't help and I think he knows it. Yamaha has a difficult decision to make for their immediate future.
 
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Couldn't it be looked at the other way? From Suzuki's side...

The bike is good enough and should get a podium in 2016. If you want to guarantee yourself a seat on a factory ride 2017, you better get a podium.. Can't see anyone foreseeing JLo departure.

As with most things, it is all about your perspective.

I agree with you BUT, from my understanding it's Suzuki option to extend, right? I think it says if he gets a podium THEY can opt to extend him, and he has no say in the manner.

But you're right, it has to be a benefit to both parties, otherwise why would Maverick have agreed to it in the first place.
 
I think if Vale were going to have any management role post 2018, it will be to move Fenati up to GP.
 
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#22 is just giving you some historical education. Being that your newish to the game and all.

Yeah but that information is relatively new. So one would get that feeling he is baiting. I'm trying to play nice in the sandbox.
 
Yeah but that information is relatively new. So one would get that feeling he is baiting. I'm trying to play nice in the sandbox.

Is he baiting?

Or are you just, focusing on or ignoring facts, depending on how they fit your agenda?

Seems to me #22 is just keeping you honest.

You sure your last name isn't Trump?
 
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"This is just my best guess..." Mat Oxley.

His opinion piece, like Julian Ryder's 'hey look, Lorenzo in coach' best guess as to why Lorenzo switch FAILED to address the big Yellow elephant in the room. However, they did accomplish to provide the Yellow Hordes and casual fans with some typical narratives:

●Jorge Lorenzo will never be as great as Rossi, so he is chasing to carve out a little legacy at Ducati...because then he can say, i wasn't as great as Rossi but at least i was slightly more successful than him on a much improved Ducati. (........ logic at best).

● Lorenzo is going to a great championship contending Ducati, unlike poor Rossi. The reason the Ducati is so easy and improved is because Rossi. So when Lorenzo has some success, you can thank Rossi. (........ logic at best).

The Message Disseminators can't help themselves, it's almost like autopilot, never having to call Rossi to task on anything, it never even crosses their mind that Lorenzo like Stoner made major changes in their careers because of the Toxic Kingdom Rossi has fomented with the blessings of his willing partners and enablers of which the gutless naive media is a part.

It's subtle, I'm not even sure these "journalists" realize it, but I'm reminded of the exchange when Gavin Emmett asked the top 3 riders about the disrespectful jeering. Lorenzo and Marquez provided a reasonable answer, Rossi said he didn't know anything about it. No follow-up questions? No creativity in asking auxiliary tangential questions? How many of us have seen journalists hound their subjects posing the questions in a bunch of different ways to test the resolve of the target from giving a ........ answer?

David Emmett (Kropo) called out 'Yamaha' for their role and called their management of the year end debacle nothing less than "cowardice" ('Yamaha', a rather safe inanimate object)... what then of Valentino Rossi--the actual sole reason a debacle exists?

With all due respect to Kropo, who is a friend of the forum and has touched on Rossi's influence (pointed out the inappropriate dynamic caught on tape between Carmelo and Rossi) notwithstanding, there is a consistent and obvious lack of courage and competence by this sport's media to perform their duty. If we were to accuse a journalist of selling out over access or fear of losing viewers, surely that would be a cheap shot. Which I actually agree with, it would be a cheap shot and disrespectful. I think journalists perceive such an accusation as the ultimate insult, since they would surely retort, they take their profession and "duty" seriously. Undoubtedly, many do. I'm sure some also are interested in "click bait", the line between the two has become increasingly blurred. But can one blame us peculiar consumers of GP media for having such an opinion? Is our collective intelligence not insulted when we see softball questions asked then capitulate so easily? Is not our intelligence insulted when inevitably wilst reporting the facts they are accompanied with a narrative (seemingly able to connect dots) that is consistently short of calling a spade a spade (assuming this isn't done purposefully).

Examples

Media narrative: Stoner retired because he couldn't handle marketing engagements, not because the sport is awash with a Dorna created and facilitated Rossi-centric kingdom. Seemingly these dots cannot be connected. Let us shelve the much publicized fact his employer reduced CS's marketing commitments and offered him an extraordinary amount to stay, yet he left; meaning the narrative the media painted was distorted and inaccurate at best. Casey Stoner didn't want to compete in a corrupt league. His retirement remains an underreported indictment on the sport still today.

The narrative for Lorenzo's departure from Yamaha (a brand he openly stated he wished to remain until retirement) is already in full swing. Apparently it has all to do with Lorenzo chasing a small corner of legacy and nothing to do with the toxic environment Rossi has created. Furthermore, Lorenzo has Rossi to thank for the improved Ducati, as Oxley put it, Rossi forced the Ducati bosses to realize they're the problem not the riders, undoubtedly he meant Rossi. Further advancing the prevailing narrative that Rossi didn't fail, Ducati did. (Let us shelve the fact the Ducati motorcycle Rossi inherited was a proven race winner, having won 3 races that season, and when handed to Valentino, the very previous day was inn parc ferme at Valencia). Regardless of the facts, the narrative persists in unison, Rossi is infallible. In the words of IRTA President and Tech 3 Team principal Herve Poncharal, "Rossi is our Emporer."


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Is he baiting?

Or are you just, focusing on or ignoring facts, depending on how they fit your agenda?

Seems to me #22 is just keeping you honest.

You sure your last name isn't Trump?

I clearly have no agenda in this thread. I was simply asking what people think is going to happen at Yamaha. Will they pick Vinales? Is Vinales even eligible?

Since no facts are involved yet, it seems I'm not "focusing on or ignoring" facts as you suggest.
 
In the words of IRTA President and Tech 3 Team principal Herve Poncharal, "Rossi is our Emporer."


Content Warning: Look ....... (.)(.)

Ok you've convinced me. Shall we start a gofundme to hire the finest hitman outside of Italy, and dethrone the Emporer of MotoGp?
 
I like Kropo a lot more than most journalists out there. Mat Oxley is a sycophant of the worst kind. Most are cut out of the Oxley mold where they simply can't help themselves from bleeding yellow at the end of it no matter how hard they try to sell the idea to the reader that they are objective. I suspect many years from now, Kropo may gave a true honest accounting of Valentino Rossi, but it'd be nice to see something come from him now.

Even the ones who sometimes come close to challenging the accepted narrative quickly back off when they are at the precipice. I can only guess they stare into the abyss that comes with needing access and not wanting to upset the apple cart.

Some of it reminds me of the halcyon days of Tiger Woods, and how he was untouchable. The media fawned and fawned over him...you had to search long and hard for any real critical word against him. The worst he ever got was his vivid language on course during rounds when he was aggravated. Even to this day, the mere mention of Tiger Woods is enough to send the scribes scurrying towards a PC to pound out the latest fawning piece about how he might comeback and finally pick up where he left off. It doesn't matter that it's all smoke and mirrors, and that the Tiger Woods from 1997 to 2009 is gone. The media is still invested into him...much the way they are invested into Valentino Rossi. Decline and changes of fortune don't matter as they will always write the most favorable pieces. They will try and tear down any would-be challenger in the long run because they simply aren't Valentino Rossi and no one sells like him. He is an industry for these guys and allows them to churn out piece after piece...the goose that lays the golden egg. No one wants to upset the apple cart of Dorna or their jobs, so everyone refuses to pursue real questions or real stories about the path MotoGP has charted over the last 16 seasons.

They say no good deed goes unpunished, but in Rossi's case, no bad deed goes punished.

After all, #TheGrandFinale #LapofHonor

Those two hash tags alone are the answers to why Stoner retired, Lorenzo is leaving Yamaha, and Marquez was treated like a heretic.
 
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I like Kropo a lot more than most journalists out there. Mat Oxley is a sycophant of the worst kind. Most are cut out of the Oxley mold where they simply can't help themselves from bleeding yellow at the end of it no matter how hard they try to sell the idea to the reader that they are objective. I suspect many years from now, Kropo may gave a true honest accounting of Valentino Rossi, but it'd be nice to see something come from him now.

Even the ones who sometimes come close to challenging the accepted narrative quickly back off when they are at the precipice. I can only guess they stare into the abyss that comes with needing access and not wanting to upset the apple cart.

Some of it reminds me of the halcyon days of Tiger Woods, and how he was untouchable. The media fawned and fawned over him...you had to search long and hard for any real critical word against him. The worst he ever got was his vivid language on course during rounds when he was aggravated. Even to this day, the mere mention of Tiger Woods is enough to send the scribes scurrying towards a PC to pound out the latest fawning piece about how he might comeback and finally pick up where he left off. It doesn't matter that it's all smoke and mirrors, and that the Tiger Woods from 1997 to 2009 is gone. The media is still invested into him...much the way they are invested into Valentino Rossi. Decline and changes of fortune don't matter as they will always write the most favorable pieces. They will try and tear down any would-be challenger in the long run because they simply aren't Valentino Rossi and no one sells like him. He is an industry for these guys and allows them to churn out piece after piece...the goose that lays the golden egg. No one wants to upset the apple cart of Dorna or their jobs, so everyone refuses to pursue real questions or real stories about the path MotoGP has charted over the last 16 seasons.

They say no good deed goes unpunished, but in Rossi's case, no bad deed goes punished.

After all, #TheGrandFinale #LapofHonor

Those two hash tags alone are the answers to why Stoner retired, Lorenzo is leaving Yamaha, and Marquez was treated like a heretic.

Ok, if what you guys say is true of Valentino, and he is the tyrant emperor of motogp, why didn't the ruling bodies rule in his favor when it came to imposing his penalty last year? They easily could have put a stay of execution on his case and not imposed any points until after the last race.
 
Two interesting reads..

The "not difficult" statement surprised me.

Ciabatti: ?It was not difficult to convince Lorenzo?

Just an opinion piece.

Why did Lorenzo do it? - MotoGP - Motor Sport Magazine


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Thanks for that, as touched on my Jums and JPS, this joke of a line left me speechless:

In other, words, Rossi’s failure on the Ducati will be the prime factor behind Lorenzo’s success, if he does indeed succeed.

Matt Oxley writes like some of the Rossi Boppers on Crashnet, he is supposed to be a respected journalist for goodness sake.

Ok, if what you guys say is true of Valentino, and he is the tyrant emperor of motogp, why didn't the ruling bodies rule in his favor when it came to imposing his penalty last year? They easily could have put a stay of execution on his case and not imposed any points until after the last race.

They had to act, and couldn't delay it until the end of season. However if you read Mike Webb's various statements, he alludes to the punishment being relative to that fact that it as to be imposed on a championship contender. As a result it, was more lenient that in should have been given that two former world champions said that anyone but VR would have been black flagged, or at the least given a ride through.
 
I like Kropo a lot more than most journalists out there. Mat Oxley is a sycophant of the worst kind. Most are cut out of the Oxley mold where they simply can't help themselves from bleeding yellow at the end of it no matter how hard they try to sell the idea to the reader that they are objective. I suspect many years from now, Kropo may gave a true honest accounting of Valentino Rossi, but it'd be nice to see something come from him now.

Even the ones who sometimes come close to challenging the accepted narrative quickly back off when they are at the precipice. I can only guess they stare into the abyss that comes with needing access and not wanting to upset the apple cart.

Some of it reminds me of the halcyon days of Tiger Woods, and how he was untouchable. The media fawned and fawned over him...you had to search long and hard for any real critical word against him. The worst he ever got was his vivid language on course during rounds when he was aggravated. Even to this day, the mere mention of Tiger Woods is enough to send the scribes scurrying towards a PC to pound out the latest fawning piece about how he might comeback and finally pick up where he left off. It doesn't matter that it's all smoke and mirrors, and that the Tiger Woods from 1997 to 2009 is gone. The media is still invested into him...much the way they are invested into Valentino Rossi. Decline and changes of fortune don't matter as they will always write the most favorable pieces. They will try and tear down any would-be challenger in the long run because they simply aren't Valentino Rossi and no one sells like him. He is an industry for these guys and allows them to churn out piece after piece...the goose that lays the golden egg. No one wants to upset the apple cart of Dorna or their jobs, so everyone refuses to pursue real questions or real stories about the path MotoGP has charted over the last 16 seasons.

They say no good deed goes unpunished, but in Rossi's case, no bad deed goes punished.

After all, #TheGrandFinale #LapofHonor

Those two hash tags alone are the answers to why Stoner retired, Lorenzo is leaving Yamaha, and Marquez was treated like a heretic.

Yep, Oxley is an Rossi apologist and his personal biographer. You wont be getting any negative words from him. Krop, like you said, walks to the edge but comes to his senses and steps back. Read the comments on Oxleys fairytale, Aldo has already picked up the narrative and ran with it, no doubt spreading it to all corners of the Rossi fanboy club.
 
I clearly have no agenda in this thread. I was simply asking what people think is going to happen at Yamaha. Will they pick Vinales? Is Vinales even eligible?

Since no facts are involved yet, it seems I'm not "focusing on or ignoring" facts as you suggest.

I'll bet #22 didn't have an agenda when he educated you. Yet you threatened to get all troll, assuming someone was baiting you.
 
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Ok, if what you guys say is true of Valentino, and he is the tyrant emperor of motogp, why didn't the ruling bodies rule in his favor when it came to imposing his penalty last year? They easily could have put a stay of execution on his case and not imposed any points until after the last race.

$$$$$$$$$

No other reason.
 

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