Everybody go on record (Le Mans race spoilers)

Rising Sun said:

A little late to the party, but it I think Marco being penalised because he is Marco is something of a moot point. Who else would've tried such a dumb move like that, at that point in the race?

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Lorenzo, hence his trade mark !

Also Pedrosa all be it a dumb move on the inside

Rossi as above.

That's adrenalin filled hot-headed racers for ya



Inspired pass or bone head move is a very fine line. All comes down to whether it worked or not. Take Lorenzo's move in the same race, difference is his worked and no one fell.

chopperman said:

Lorenzo, hence his trade mark !

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Well, his modus operandi in MotoGP hasn't been banzai moves around the outside, but Lorenzo certainly did a lot of dumb things in his 125cc and early 250cc days. Since then he's become a 'born-again safety man'. In fact, I think that should be his new nickname.

chopperman said:

Also Pedrosa all be it a dumb move on the inside

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I don't know about that. When you've clearly got the inside line to a corner, I think it's yours to do with what you will. If Pedrosa really did run it in too deep (as opposed to standing it up trying to avoid a collision when Simoncelli started to come across), the smart thing for Marco to have done was follow in behind him and go past as Pedrosa ran wide. Or simply wait until the end front straight heading for the chicane--at the rate he caught Dani, he would've got past easily there.

chopperman said:

Rossi as above.

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Rossi's too smart to have done something like that with 10+ laps to run. Anyway, when Rossi tries that stuff, it tends to come off!

chopperman said:

Inspired pass or bone head move is a very fine line.

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Yep, it's a fine line. But in this case it was a very fine line. Maco needs to get smart and stop crashing; if he does I think he could win a few races this year. Maybe like Marquez in Moto2 his elusive first podium will actually be a win.

I think you meant to say....

Rising Sun said:

Rossi's too smart to have done something like that with 10+ laps to run. Anyway, when Rossi tries that stuff, it tends other riders tend to come off!

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stiefel said:

I think you meant to say....

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Harsh, given the actual number of riders Rossi has collected over the years.

Pity Pedbot couldn't keep it upright true fineline situation but imo I like Celli's go for it lines - especially a outside pass. Percentages %%%% is the game today just glad to see someone going against the grain for racing would be damn boring otherwise.

FTE217 said:

Pity Pedbot couldn't keep it upright true fineline situation but imo I like Celli's go for it lines - especially a outside pass. Percentages %%%% is the game today just glad to see someone going against the grain for racing would be damn boring otherwise.

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Simo desperately wants that first win or podium, i hope he gets it soon, maybe it will calm him down. He has thrown away a win and a second in the first 4 races and rides like his job is on the line.Its not, he will be in Dovi's seat next year, which is sad for Dovi. Here he is getting ready to become 3rd in points, brings the equipment home in one piece, and seems to be an overall good kid, Sound familiar. Speaking of Dovi, who thinks his bike is magically going to improve if Dani is out, or off pace for a while. It appears that Honda programs his bike to be fractionally better than Rossi's, so he can spend the whole race occupying bikes in that performance category, while their preferred riders disappear into the sunset. Just a theory, but if Dani is out, and Dovi is at or near the front, you can add his name to the list of riders who's career aspirations are controlled by the politics of Moto GP. Tell me again why im crazy about this sport

The witchhunt Simoncelli endured after the French MotoGP was, looking back on it, deplorable.



Absolutely Correct Sir



http://plus.autosport.com/free/feature/3972/toby-moody-remembers-marco-simoncelli/

Pigeon said:

The witchhunt Simoncelli endured after the French MotoGP was, looking back on it, deplorable.



Absolutely Correct Sir



http://plus.autospor...rco-simoncelli/

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I read Tobys article today and was gonna post it



So true

Great article from Toby, made me almost well up. Like others have said, you almost feel like you know some of the riders, Simo just had that kind of personality, god knows how those who actually knew him feel....

Some will think it was deplorable. Some will think it was some sort of a premonition. Others tend to agree that after Lemans, Simo had his wings trimmed a bit and forced him to realize patience in reaching his goals. I'm of the last.



He never had a sit down talking to in the past and maybe it did him good. Regardless, does highlighting the witch hunt prosecutors help anything? Because I'm sure all of his track enemies are sure wishing Simo was around for a session. Even Puig.

The cashing in of the situation and calling it a witch hunt is not good.



The guys on the grid who did complain about Marco's wild riding are not thinking:

"oh we should not have said anything about Marco because it hurt his feelings"

because they complain folk jump to the conclusion that they are just scared for themselves when an erratic rider is on track, but unfortunately we have seen that the rider can themselves be hurt. It was hard to foresee this with Simo as he was such a big tough looking fellow ( invincible as Dovi put it ).



Right about now those riders who complained are not likely thinking they they wish they did not hurt Marco's feelings, they are probably lamenting that they did not complain more. Regardless of the penalties/bad feeling etc. a Marco who was still here would have been a better Marco for all, not one of the riders would now deny that. But all must accept that retrospect is a luxury that none achieve.



If Toby did call it a which hunt he needs to have a good long think. I'm not impressed with such ignorant talk.



In the end it would have been better to stick to the condolences only.



Perhaps a better focus for those left behind.



Think of Kate Fretti, How her possible dreams and life plans have been abruptly changed and the hurt she must have gone through.

Beautiful young girl who obviously spent some good times with Marco and was likely very attached to him, probably the closest person of all to him. She seemed very left alone on the day, but that's how everyone was affected by shock I would think ..... it must have been hardest of all for her .......









I just hope she got the assistance she would have needed on the day and after the event, and that she will need into the future.



Think of the parents,



Think of Rossi and Edwards, they must be going through the worst of times.



No online witch hunts, or point scoring, or blaming ( especially as a few months later all have had a chance to think about it more rationally )

Just condolence and consolation for those left behind would be best.

I reed that article of TM this afternoon. It's a nice article imo, and he isn't wrong to name those complaints a witch hunt as Lorenzo criticised Simonceli for his own fault in the last gp of last year, though as much as i criticised their acts in that day and afterwards but i think this is a very wrong time to talk about this. He should have wrote this article back then. We shouldn't calm our pain by making it difficault for others.

It's not right and nice to bring this up at this moment, as this will only put negative pressure on those riders and make them feel bad for what has happend half a year ago.