Ducati submitted wildcard entry

povol said:

What bothers me is Stoner approached Honda about filling in for Dani and was turned down, hastening his departure from Honda. That showed a willingness and a want to race. Now he is he offered a perfect scenario to ride a dominant bike on a track no one knows and all of a sudden he is back to "keeping his word" . Its his decision on when and where he may or may not race again, but he couldnt have asked for a better chance to shine. Im thinking maybe the tracks safety issues spooked him a bit and if he is ever going to wild card, its going to be PI and thats it.

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True Pov, but CS himself had said that he wanted to ride Austin because it was a track he had never ridden and thus the offer to fill in for Pedrosa.

As for Austria, he had tested there and so had already ridden the track (plus, let us not forget that he highlighted the safety concerns before anyone else which may have played a part in hesitation).

CS has never made a secret that he would like to ride tracks he has not ridden previously, but nowhere have I seen him mention that he wants to race at tracks he had not ridden.

povol said:

What bothers me is Stoner approached Honda about filling in for Dani and was turned down, hastening his departure from Honda. That showed a willingness and a want to race. Now he is he offered a perfect scenario to ride a dominant bike on a track no one knows and all of a sudden he is back to "keeping his word" . Its his decision on when and where he may or may not race again, but he couldnt have asked for a better chance to shine. Im thinking maybe the tracks safety issues spooked him a bit and if he is ever going to wild card, its going to be PI and thats it.

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Good point. I sure as hell would love to see him race again. I'm as frustrated as the next guy over this. Maybe Philip Island. That would be brilliant. We can only hope.

povol said:

What bothers me is Stoner approached Honda about filling in for Dani and was turned down, hastening his departure from Honda. That showed a willingness and a want to race. Now he is he offered a perfect scenario to ride a dominant bike on a track no one knows and all of a sudden he is back to "keeping his word" . Its his decision on when and where he may or may not race again, but he couldnt have asked for a better chance to shine. Im thinking maybe the tracks safety issues spooked him a bit and if he is ever going to wild card, its going to be PI and thats it.

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The mistake is thinking Stoner is a rational person. When he was in GP he refused to ride the bike a majority of practice time. He quit GP prematurely. He starts racing cars and quits after a few races. He takes a job at Honda and manufactures a slight, so he can quit them. He takes a job with Ducati a team he left due to another manufactered slight. He's offered an opportunity to do what Honda wouldnt let him do, which supposedly is why he quit and he turns it down.
Dude is mental case. I love that he's come back because sooner or later even the most hardcore boner is going to run out of elaborate excuses to defend Coach Testes

JohnnyKnockdown said:

The mistake is thinking Stoner is a rational person. When he was in GP he refused to ride the bike a majority of practice time. He quit GP prematurely. He starts racing cars and quits after a few races. He takes a job at Honda and manufactures a slight, so he can quit them. He takes a job with Ducati a team he left due to another manufactered slight. He's offered an opportunity to do what Honda wouldnt let him do, which supposedly is why he quit and he turns it down.
Dude is mental case. I love that he's come back because sooner or later even the most hardcore boner is going to run out of elaborate excuses to defend Coach Testes

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He ran as much practice as he required, and went out and won the races. Makes perfect sense for someone who had chronic fatigue issues. After getting the data he needed and setting the bike up, he chilled out and saved his energy reserves for the race. There's no prize for the most time spent in FP.

He quit racing, because he was tired of the politics, tired of being bad mouthed by Marlboro suits and tired of pretending to like being a poster-boy for the companies, when all he wanted to do was race.

Explain please, on what basis do you opine that Stoner confected an excuse to not work with Honda? Everyone else is clear; they hired him to give feedback and largely ignored it, and wouldn't give him a wildcard when he wanted one. They also bought him an injury with a poorly prepared bike for the endurance race and they didn't have the integrity to own up to it. Those are facts.

He wanted to try racing cars. It turned out to be not his forte. So he quit. Everybody tries different things till they find what works. It didn't work. Simples. Nothing irrational about his behavior at all.

What would be irrational would be to continue working for people who don't respect you, or continuing to participate in a sport long after you didn't enjoy it, when you have a hot wife, a kid and enough cash to spend the rest of your life doing whatever the .... you want without being beholden to anyone.

Little Walter said:

He ran as much practice as he required, and went out and won the races. Makes perfect sense for someone who had chronic fatigue issues. After getting the data he needed and setting the bike up, he chilled out and saved his energy reserves for the race. There's no prize for the most time spent in FP.

He quit racing, because he was tired of the politics, tired of being bad mouthed by Marlboro suits and tired of pretending to like being a poster-boy for the companies, when all he wanted to do was race.

Explain please, on what basis do you opine that Stoner confected an excuse to not work with Honda? Everyone else is clear; they hired him to give feedback and largely ignored it, and wouldn't give him a wildcard when he wanted one. They also bought him an injury with a poorly prepared bike for the endurance race and they didn't have the integrity to own up to it. Those are facts.

He wanted to try racing cars. It turned out to be not his forte. So he quit. Everybody tries different things till they find what works. It didn't work. Simples. Nothing irrational about his behavior at all.

What would be irrational would be to continue working for people who don't respect you, or continuing to participate in a sport long after you didn't enjoy it, when you have a hot wife, a kid and enough cash to spend the rest of your life doing whatever the .... you want without being beholden to anyone.

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He kicked the fatigue issue when he found out lactose was the problem. He also regularly rides a road bike so fitness isnt an issue. FACT

Honda did not give him a poorly prepped bike for the suzuka. This is the real story
"Checking the throttle, which is a particular specification for Endurance HRC Factory bikes, and different from the standard throttle used on the Honda CBR1000RR road version, a malfunction was discovered related to the throttle cable.

This kind of problem hasn’t arisen before, however, HRC will cease using this throttle specification and will design a new one to be used for Endurance races."
FACT

Hot wife, kid, millions in the bank. You just described most professional athletes. Most of them arent quitting.

JohnnyKnockdown said:

He kicked the fatigue issue when he found out lactose was the problem. He also regularly rides a road bike so fitness isnt an issue. FACT

Honda did not give him a poorly prepped bike for the suzuka. This is the real story
"Checking the throttle, which is a particular specification for Endurance HRC Factory bikes, and different from the standard throttle used on the Honda CBR1000RR road version, a malfunction was discovered related to the throttle cable.

This kind of problem hasn’t arisen before, however, HRC will cease using this throttle specification and will design a new one to be used for Endurance races."
FACT

Hot wife, kid, millions in the bank. You just described most professional athletes. Most of them arent quitting.

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You said "When he was in GP", which was multiple years. Nobody can say at what point Stoner began to experience the health issue. Fans only know when he made it public. CF is an immune deficiency which for most people, creeps up on them over a period of years. It's also categorized as a "Chronic" condition, hence it being called Chronic Fatigue. It doesn't just go away after an injection like a case of the clap. Part of the standard regime of treatment is not overtaxing one's self unnessesarily.


Putting the wrong throttle on the wrong bike. How is this not the textbook definition of poorly prepared?; especially given this was a factory effort. It was reported that Stoner was particularly pissed because Honda did not own up to the mistake; moreso than them actually making the mistake.

Comparing Stoner to most pro athletes is a meaningless. Most pro athletes are happy doing what they do. Stoner clearly was unhappy. I'm sure he doesn't measure his success by what other people do. Moreover, few athletes have been in the sport professionally since the age of 14; fewer still risk their lives every time they're on the playing field. Would you want to be participating in a sport where you risk your life every day, and hating the experience?

JohnnyKnockdown said:

The mistake is thinking Stoner is a rational person. When he was in GP he refused to ride the bike a majority of practice time. He quit GP prematurely. He starts racing cars and quits after a few races. He takes a job at Honda and manufactures a slight, so he can quit them. He takes a job with Ducati a team he left due to another manufactered slight. He's offered an opportunity to do what Honda wouldnt let him do, which supposedly is why he quit and he turns it down.
Dude is mental case. I love that he's come back because sooner or later even the most hardcore boner is going to run out of elaborate excuses to defend Coach Testes

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Realise that you are back to your trolling self when it comes to CS (interesting that you need to talk about a guy you disrespect so much) but name me one athlete in any sport who would practice more and/or unnecessarily when they are able to achieve the results required in such a short time.

There are many athletes who do not practice near the level of others and yet are dominating their sport or as a minimum are still extremely competitive.

In some cases of course this is age and injury that inhibits the capability to practice, yet in others it is an innate ability to peak extremely quickly, achieve the maximum required and then chillax as some do.

As it has been said many times, what CS could achieve in a few short laps took other riders many many more laps to even get close to (not just time but the feedback obtained as he gets to speed quicker).

Tell you what JKD, I suspect that he is far less of a mental case than you dream as he is the one doing what he loves, what he enjoys when he chooses and is paid damn handsomely for it, and all before he turns 33.

Not everyone wants to race, not everyone wants to ride, not everyone needs or demands accolades, but all deserve to be happy with their chosen path and given that he is enjoying himself, then I suspect that he is happy and if that makes you unhappy, it is you with the issues surrounding Stoner

As for your last comment, there is no need to defend that which cannot be defended but you also continue to try on your side ...............

JohnnyKnockdown said:

He kicked the fatigue issue when he found out lactose was the problem. He also regularly rides a road bike so fitness isnt an issue. FACT

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........ Johnny and you know it.

First, he rarely rides a road bike (small rides on cruisers and advertising aside) spending more time off riding offroad/enduro with his mates.

Second, riding a road bike does not prepare you else VR, JL etc would spend more time riding road bikes than riding offroad or other forms of training that they do.

As for the push bikes that he rides, is he not allowed to ride to keep himself fit (he has stated that he enjoys riding push bikes) but as has been said many times, no level of training supplements actually riding one of the damn MGP bikes at throttle

JohnnyKnockdown said:

Honda did not give him a poorly prepped bike for the suzuka. This is the real story
"Checking the throttle, which is a particular specification for Endurance HRC Factory bikes, and different from the standard throttle used on the Honda CBR1000RR road version, a malfunction was discovered related to the throttle cable.

This kind of problem hasn’t arisen before, however, HRC will cease using this throttle specification and will design a new one to be used for Endurance races."
FACT

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Yep, he suffered a mechanical ....-up that had not been experienced previously and after some 'push', HRC owned up to the faulty component and changed their equipment.

HRC's fault - yes.

Forseeable - unlikely

JohnnyKnockdown said:

Hot wife, kid, millions in the bank. You just described most professional athletes. Most of them arent quitting.

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You do have an issue with people retiring don't you?

So at what age and level of success is it acceptable in JKD world to retire or are they not allowed the luxury of enjoying their earnt money?

Must they continue to keep YOU happy?

Tell me JKD, do you plan on working until the day you pass away, be that at 80 or 90 years of age or would you like the luxury of having some time where you can enjoy your recreational pursuits?

Whoever said Stoner (or most of these guys) is/are sane JK?

Why does he deserve criticism for doing exactly what he said he would do at Ducati? He has never given any undertaking to wildcard for them as far I am aware. If Ducati had hopes that he would wildcard, or even return to racing full time, that is their issue, not his. I would have thought myself that he would have deserved more criticism had he cherry picked the Austrian race and taken away a win from one of the regular riders, a win which I suspect he and Ducati knew was highly probable in advance of the race. If Ducati's 6 season drought hadn't been broken you might have more of a case.

As I have also told you, people whom I know personally quit or retire from jobs paying millions of dollars per annum at which they remain highly competent all the time, mostly because they are happy with what they have achieved, have enough money and no longer want to bear the cost exacted by what is usually involved in such jobs, such as entirely consuming your life in terms of the hours and degree of commitment required.

When he was previously at Ducati he was publicly vilified by a Marlboro executive with strong influence on the team who in the process denied the possibility that he had any health issues, the latter the one thing for which a Marlboro executive is eminently qualified admittedly. Said Marlboro man is finding wins not exactly easy to come by now when actually in charge at Ferrari, a marque with a much better historical record of success in GP car racing than Ducati has in GP bike racing.