Ducati confirms carbon fibre swingarm

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chockmoose @ Mar 13 2009, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jeez, more technobabble ........, .... me this place is inhabited by ....... hole diggers.
Who gives a damn on what you have been 'led to believe'? saying the industry uses a 'generally lower FoS' is ........ without you citing the required figure. Now you have shown that you truly have zero understanding of design of aero parts (including stress analysis) trying to turn your argument into a request for others to educate you is a waste of time. Do us a favour and get rid of your shovel and stop digging...

I don't really know what your problem is. I have offered a piece of information and someone else has challenged its validity. That's fine, i could well have it wrong and i'd like to know either way.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 13 2009, 09:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You'd be surprised how low the safetey factors are on Aircraft. That's why the maintenance schedules are so intense, so the planes can be built light enough to take off and be as fuel efficient as possible. Has anyone got any idea, or an educated guess as to what the safetey factor might be for motogp parts?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 13 2009, 09:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You'd be surprised how low the safetey factors are on Aircraft. That's why the maintenance schedules are so intense, so the planes can be built light enough to take off and be as fuel efficient as possible. Has anyone got any idea, or an educated guess as to what the safetey factor might be for motogp parts?
ok tom, maybe this will help...

i am sure you didnt mean it this way but an intense maintenance schedule does not allow a plane to be built light!


that says to me that without intense maintenance, planes would be too heavy to take off!

ok, seriously now, aircraft maintenace is a frequent and "intense" because of 2 major factors..

1. to stop people from dying...

2. to stop the survivors and relatives of the dead passengers from sueing the bejeezus out of the
airlines. no dead people = no lawsuits.

get why its a heavily policed industry with stringent controls now? if you want figures, go find them, i am too lazy and cant be arsed to do your homework for you.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 13 2009, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't really know what your problem is. I have offered a piece of information and someone else has challenged its validity. That's fine, i could well have it wrong and i'd like to know either way.
it's because it appeared you first stated your opinion as a fact, now your called out on it you call on a third party.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 13 2009, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think babel is an actual engineer,


he is not !! ( more in a stunned manner than a factual reply ) ...... are you an engineer Babel? .... if so what area?

I'll eliminate Mechanical, civil, not electronics ...... but possible student electrical? ......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 13 2009, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he is not !! ( more in a stunned manner than a factual reply ) ...... are you an engineer Babel? .... if so what area?

I'll eliminate Mechanical, civil, not electronics ...... but possible student electrical? ......

I like ham

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 14 2009, 05:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I like ham
ham... Babel you crazy Norge!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 14 2009, 08:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I like ham

I like ....s ( . ) ( . )

.... and I'm not an engineer either !!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 14 2009, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I like ham

thats obvious ..... so you are not any form of engineer ..... nor of any technical bent?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 14 2009, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>thats obvious ..... so you are not any form of engineer ..... nor of any technical bent?
You are not really australian, are you?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 14 2009, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are not really australian, are you?

Don't be a prick ..... its a fair question...... given he's always talking crap at me, and has alluded to the same of me.

I certainly am not the same type of Australian as you ..... if you like

i like ham

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 14 2009, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't be a prick ..... its a fair question...... given he's always talking crap at me, and has alluded to the same of me.

I certainly am not the same type of Australian as you ..... if you like
I was the one who said babel was an engineer, which I think he has occasionally alluded to whilst not dismissing reasoned arguments from others on the basis of superior technical knowledge, at least not without refuting such arguments. Most of this interminable rossi v stoner argument is moot anyway; ducati/stoner were obviously better in 2007, yamaha/rossi in 2008, why don't we wait and see what happens this year? Like you, I don't think the outcome is determined at this stage.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 14 2009, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>thats obvious ..... so you are not any form of engineer ..... nor of any technical bent?

You've proved again and again that you can't digest facts presented to you and yourself presenting the wildest and most unlikely speculations based on anything but facts. I've dug up the facts, including your own post numerous times and that lead to no recognition what so ever. Most here has figured it out but as usual you are on a mission on your own and as usual missing by a mile, so I see no reason what so ever to comply with your request this time or ever again for that matter.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 14 2009, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You've proved again and again that you can't digest facts presented to you and yourself presenting the wildest and most unlikely speculations based on anything but facts. I've dug up the facts, including your own post numerous times and that lead to no recognition what so ever. Most here has figured it out but as usual you are on a mission on your own and as usual missing by a mile, so I see no reason what so ever to comply with your request this time or ever again for that matter.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 14 2009, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've dug up the facts,


Like this one you see as a fact!!??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 10 2009, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The ABS you claimed we wanted removed from MotoGP bikes along with the TC.

I think its pretty clear in that statement that you claimed that I claimed ABS was, as I have said before my point of the post was that of retort at the whinging that was going on at the time over "unknown" devices on GP bikes. Had I said "kitchen sinks" ..... am I too assume you would be sitting there typing "BM thinks bikes have kitchen sinks!" .... Get real you are a simillar poster to Rog. ..... you sit there picking apart wording and deliberately misconstrue intent.


THere I said "BM thinks bikes have kitchen sinks!" ..... I suppose I wil expect another of your highly incisive posts, in the future, cutting out the rest of the wording that shows the true intent of the statement Go for it buddy ...... its making you a very clever person

You just play a game of deliberate misinterpretation ...... I used to think it was just that you were not picking up the context of the post as you were using an online translator ..... but after Rog. joined in merrily latching onto it I think its pure misinterpretation.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 15 2009, 02:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Like this one you see as a fact!!??



I think its pretty clear in that statement that you claimed that I claimed ABS was, as I have said before my point of the post was that of retort at the whinging that was going on at the time over "unknown" devices on GP bikes. Had I said "kitchen sinks" ..... am I too assume you would be sitting there typing "BM thinks bikes have kitchen sinks!" .... Get real you are a simillar poster to Rog. ..... you sit there picking apart wording and deliberately misconstrue intent.
In two different treads you drag ABS into a discussion of tc and you try to tell me that's just a slip of the tounge? The problem is that you claim to know a thing or two about electronic driver aids and how they affect the riders, I strongly dissagree in most of what you claim. I can agree that it was slightly taken out of context, but then again, TWO times, and it's so totally basic if you are technicaly interested and a motoGP fan to know that ABS is NOT a part of the driver aid discussion. In addition your standpoint has become rather controvertial and you are of the few who want the driver aids to stay. In that position you better get your facts right. If you based your controvertial standpoints on original points of view that would be interesting, instead you seem to put in conveniant but false or irelevant information to "stregthen" your argument. To me that make them weaker, a lot weaker.
So there you have it, pedantic to you. Exposing faults rendring the argument invalid to me.

In this tread you suggest that Ducatis construction of CF frames is a natural progression from producing fairings and other bits and pieces in CF. Again a mind blowing suggestion, even more so because the Ferarri link is well knwon and commented.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>You just play a game of deliberate misinterpretation ...... I used to think it was just that you were not picking up the context of the post as you were using an online translator ..... but after Rog. joined in merrily latching onto it I think its pure misinterpretation.
It sure is deliberate BM but it isn't misinterpretation. It's the way to pick another's arguments to pieces by using facts against faults. It doesn't get much better than that so I can understand your frustration, but your pointing the finger the wrong way 180 deg wrong to precise

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 15 2009, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In two different treads you drag ABS into a discussion

so thats enough for you to say I believe bikes have ABS or somesuch ....... what about the jam doughnuts then ..... why don't you say I said bikes have these




<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 15 2009, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In this tread you suggest that Ducatis construction of CF frames is a natural progression from producing fairings and other bits and pieces in CF. Again a mind blowing suggestion, even more so because the Ferarri link is well knwon and commented.

This is what I posted:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 12 2009, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think most of the outer fairings, tanks, fenders, casings etc. and subframes have been CF for quite a while now ....... I don't think its all that new to Ducati. Just an extension of what they are doing at present. It'd be nice to see it cure such a performance characteristic though thats for sure.

And I still stand by it ....... instead your answer is some stupid ..... about the politic of my posts.

I already realise you very much dislike my posts, (as I probably stole your girlfriend or something years ago ??? ..... was her name Anna-lisa?? ... you might be right ) but nonetheless your initial reaction to my posts about CF swingarms was to start on with that ........ you choose to deliberately act ignorant about .....


Tell me how the above statement, about Ducati having used CF cpmponents before, irks you then we may get somewhere otherwise you are just another Rog.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 15 2009, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

Barry, please, just shut up now

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Mar 15 2009, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Barry, please, just shut up now

don't be a fool ...... you might like wanking about yourself but I don't appreciate it. How would you enjoy it if I followed your posts around the forum and acted like a pedant about stuff you say? ...

I enjoy the techo debates ....... I think they are ruined by smart assed pricks who are just on here just to make points by trivial bitching and deliberate ......... Its just a poor method of discussion/debate ....... ie. babel can't put forward any decent information so he looks at discrediting other posters. And I am aware thats enough for some such as yourself Arab.

Again back to topic ........ it seems its in Babels court. Why do you feel Ductati are unable to incorporate CF parts?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 15 2009, 01:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Like this one you see as a fact!!??



I think its pretty clear in that statement that you claimed that I claimed ABS was, as I have said before my point of the post was that of retort at the whinging that was going on at the time over "unknown" devices on GP bikes. Had I said "kitchen sinks" ..... am I too assume you would be sitting there typing "BM thinks bikes have kitchen sinks!" .... Get real you are a simillar poster to Rog. ..... you sit there picking apart wording and deliberately misconstrue intent.


THere I said "BM thinks bikes have kitchen sinks!" ..... I suppose I wil expect another of your highly incisive posts, in the future, cutting out the rest of the wording that shows the true intent of the statement Go for it buddy ...... its making you a very clever person

You just play a game of deliberate misinterpretation ...... I used to think it was just that you were not picking up the context of the post as you were using an online translator ..... but after Rog. joined in merrily latching onto it I think its pure misinterpretation.
It's a man of low character that never admits he is wrong BM ! You can try and put spin on your earlier statements to try and hide the fact you were wrong. Many here not just me and babel worked you out a long time ago. I too have read you comments on abs on motogp bikes, unlucky for you we quoted you before you could do your sneaky trick and change you post . Your quite a cowardly person arnt you bm ! rhetorical question