Ducati CEO IT fits for them to have an Italian rider

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Jan 14 2010, 09:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Does that mean you think pedders will ride the ducati? Thats good ....! It would look like a midget tossing contest every time he got on the thing. Can we get an inside the helmet camera so we can see the thousands of priceless looks on his face every time the bike does it twitches?
I really think Honda is going to make a big push for Stoner, especially now that Suppo is there. I think that Lornezo will be the backup plan to be honest. Even if he would make Repsol happy, I think they want Stoner the most. Don't know where I'm going with this.

Anyways, the reason I quoted you is this: Is there really a possibility that Hayden and Pedrosa could be teammates again? At Ducati? I don't think it's possible but the thought of it is just depressing for Hayden.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jan 14 2010, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyways, the reason I quoted you is this: Is there really a possibility that Hayden and Pedrosa could be teammates again? At Ducati? I don't think it's possible but the thought of it is just depressing for Hayden.
Won't happen. Doubt Peders could handle the Ducati Plus, Ducati won't treat Hayden like Honda did.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jan 14 2010, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I really think Honda is going to make a big push for Stoner, especially now that Suppo is there. I think that Lornezo will be the backup plan to be honest. Even if he would make Repsol happy, I think they want Stoner the most. Don't know where I'm going with this.

Honda will want/pay for Stoner, repsol on the other hand will want/pay for lorentho. Thats why I put them together.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jan 14 2010, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyways, the reason I quoted you is this: Is there really a possibility that Hayden and Pedrosa could be teammates again? At Ducati? I don't think it's possible but the thought of it is just depressing for Hayden.

<--just spit my protien shake on the computer screen.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Jan 14 2010, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Honda will want/pay for Stoner, repsol on the other hand will want/pay for lorentho. Thats why I put them together.
I agree that Honda would like both of them, however they signed Dovi through 2011. I still don't understand that move.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Jan 14 2010, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'><--just spit my protien shake on the computer screen.
Disgusting thought, isn't it?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 14 2010, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>First of all, Stoner will NEVER silence all the "dildos". That would require reasonable thought and no double standard, something that is simply lacking in that equation with this particular type of fan.

Second, Stoner and Hayden are actively making the Ducati "easier-to-ride". And it seems certain people are taking note. And though this gives a bit of credence to the idea of a certain Italian on the Italian machine, it largely depends on Burgess. We know Stoner will run well, but if Hayden runs decent this season, this will up the speculation of a switch.

Correct, Jerry Burgess controls the next place Rossi will be, no doubt. In fact, it’s so obvious that its laughable to see this open & public negotiation with only 'perceived' leverage. But Yamaha will undoubtedly fall for it and up the contract.

I doubt Spies will be on a Honda.

I say this because after a year as a rookie - Spies will want to trade his customer bike for
a full factory ride and I don't see Lorenzo vacating his position. Tho - as has been pointed
out before - the 1000cc version of the Ducati may seem like a more attractive risk for
rookies looking to bump up. Capirossi didn't fare so badly on the old version and Ducati
has come a long way since then. Surely Spies won't be throwing a leg over a Suzuki or
a Kawasaki. On the other hand... if the 2011 Honda is still midget sized - Spies might just
have to be patient and do another year on the customer bike.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jan 15 2010, 01:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I say this because after a year as a rookie - Spies will want to trade his customer bike for
a full factory ride and I don't see Lorenzo vacating his position. Tho - as has been pointed
out before - the 1000cc version of the Ducati may seem like a more attractive risk for
rookies looking to bump up. Capirossi didn't fare so badly on the old version and Ducati
has come a long way since then. Surely Spies won't be throwing a leg over a Suzuki or
a Kawasaki. On the other hand... if the 2011 Honda is still midget sized - Spies might just
have to be patient and do another year on the customer bike.
If Spies mange to get some good results in his rookie year (which i think he will) with right sponsership deal he might have third full Yamaha factory bike.Spies is extarordinary talent and Yamaha will make every effort to keep him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jan 15 2010, 11:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Spies mange to get some good results in his rookie year (which i think we will) with right sponsership deal he might have third full Yamaha factory bike.Spies is extarordinary talent and Yamaha will make every effort to keep him.
i think 2010 season spies is already have a full support from yamaha factory bike so it's like yamaha already have a third factory bike

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jan 14 2010, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Spies mange to get some good results in his rookie year (which i think we will) with right sponsership deal he might have third full Yamaha factory bike.Spies is extarordinary talent and Yamaha will make every effort to keep him.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cygnus88 @ Jan 14 2010, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think 2010 season spies is already have a full support from yamaha factory bike so it's like yamaha already have a third factory bike

I have heard this speculated before - but don't recall seeing this confirmed by any
official source.

My thoughts:

Ducati: Stoner and Hayden. Stoner will win the 2010 WC so no way will they want to lose him and Stoner will be loyal because it is not and never has been about the money for him. Hayden will have a great year and Ducati will want to keep him for 2012 and the 1000cc as well as for his marketing weight in the US.

Yamaha: Rossi and Spies. Rossi will not want to risk a new bike because he needs to win the 2011 WC to have a 3/2 record over Stoner in the 800cc era and a move will be too risky. Spies will have a great year and be rewarded with the factory ride.

Honda: Lorenzo and Aoyama. Lorenzo will be the new Repsol hope for a WC but will fail as did his predecesor. Aoyama will have a great year and deserve the factory shotgun ride supporting Lorenzo's tilt at the title.

Suzuki: Pedrosa and Bautista. Pedrosa will only want a factory seat and the top factories will not want him as a lead rider because he can't win a WC but Suzuki will be happy for him to run at the front for them and get a single win in a year. Puig will convince Pedrosa that he (Puig) is good enough to make the Suzuki into a winning bike. Bautista will just get a second chance after a average season in Suzuki terms.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jan 15 2010, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My thoughts:

Ducati: Stoner and Hayden. Stoner will win the 2010 WC so no way will they want to lose him and Stoner will be loyal because it is not and never has been about the money for him. Hayden will have a great year and Ducati will want to keep him for 2012 and the 1000cc as well as for his marketing weight in the US.

Yamaha: Rossi and Spies. Rossi will not want to risk a new bike because he needs to win the 2011 WC to have a 3/2 record over Stoner in the 800cc era and a move will be too risky. Spies will have a great year and be rewarded with the factory ride.

Honda: Lorenzo and Aoyama. Lorenzo will be the new Repsol hope for a WC but will fail as did his predecesor. Aoyama will have a great year and deserve the factory shotgun ride supporting Lorenzo's tilt at the title.

Suzuki: Pedrosa and Bautista. Pedrosa will only want a factory seat and the top factories will not want him as a lead rider because he can't win a WC but Suzuki will be happy for him to run at the front for them and get a single win in a year. Puig will convince Pedrosa that he (Puig) is good enough to make the Suzuki into a winning bike. Bautista will just get a second chance after a average season in Suzuki terms.

Agreed
+ 1

2011 teams??

Yamaha-Lorenzo,Spies
Ducati- Rossi, Hayden/Pedrosa
Honda- Stoner, Aoyama

Ducati offer Rossi a fortune. Rossi accepts on proviso separate team with Burgess in control. Stoner discovers Rossis salary is triple what he got, leaves in disgust and accepts a similar bucket of cash from Honda and the lure of Livio.
Lorenzo is smart enough to know which bike gives him the best chance of victory and Yamaha recognise that losing Lorenzo harms their future more than Rossis loss affects the present.












HONDA FINALLY REGAIN THE NUMBER1 PLATE.

DESTINY IS FULFILLED. STONER IS THE NEW DOOHAN AND STRINGS 8 CHAMPIONSHIPS TOGETHER TO BECOME THE NEXT GOAT.

Bunny gets off the halucinogens

At least part of the above is not total fantasy.........

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jan 15 2010, 03:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My thoughts:

Ducati: Stoner and Hayden. Stoner will win the 2010 WC so no way will they want to lose him and Stoner will be loyal because it is not and never has been about the money for him. Hayden will have a great year and Ducati will want to keep him for 2012 and the 1000cc as well as for his marketing weight in the US.

Yamaha: Rossi and Spies. Rossi will not want to risk a new bike because he needs to win the 2011 WC to have a 3/2 record over Stoner in the 800cc era and a move will be too risky. Spies will have a great year and be rewarded with the factory ride.

Honda: Lorenzo and Aoyama. Lorenzo will be the new Repsol hope for a WC but will fail as did his predecesor. Aoyama will have a great year and deserve the factory shotgun ride supporting Lorenzo's tilt at the title.

Suzuki: Pedrosa and Bautista. Pedrosa will only want a factory seat and the top factories will not want him as a lead rider because he can't win a WC but Suzuki will be happy for him to run at the front for them and get a single win in a year. Puig will convince Pedrosa that he (Puig) is good enough to make the Suzuki into a winning bike. Bautista will just get a second chance after a average season in Suzuki terms.

Although i wouldn't be so confident as to predict Stoner to definitely win the world title, i think you might be onto something to some extent. If Ducati's big bang works out as a bike more people can get on with people will be more incliced to switch in that direction. Equally i think if Stoner doesn't win the title this year (the 3rd in a row) he will want to change something, and i would guess he'dd be off to Honda. A lot has to happen before that though.

Suzuki have also said they want to shoot for big names next year, when a lot of the top riders contracts are up for grabs. Pedrosa is their most likely steal.

Peddles won't do any better than Capirex or Vermi on the po' boy 'Zuki... He freakin' certainly won't be "runnin' at the front" TP70...

Not to be Buzz Killington guys, but Spies is contracted to Yamaha through 2011 and his contract is direct with Yamaha, so he is to receive factory kit while at Tech 3. Regardless of how good his results are in 2010, it's entirely possibly he could stay in Tech 3. It all comes down to what Yamaha want. And Dovi is also contracted to Honda through 2011, so Repsol will not be a complete overhaul after 2010. Unless of course Honda negotiate a deal with Dovi that gives him factory equipment and pay and send him off to Gresini or such.

Same clowns with the same .... here too!!!

A curve ball for you lot.......what if the Ducati isn't such a horrible thing? Have you ever considered that this machine and it's relationship with CS's style is the likely reason why they compete at all? Sure he is head and shoulders above the other Ducati shod pilots at present, but Hayden has made up some serious ground with many obstacles last year. Pedders is smacking Dovi, VR just happens to have one of the other Aliens in his garage.

Stoner Fans seem even more removed from reality than any other.......Stoner wins its because of Stoner. Stoner loses its because the Ducati is so hard to ride. (especially on the warm up lap )
CS was quoted at the Post race press conference in Qatar 2007 as saying 'For 80% of the time i wasn't even pushing that hard, we were fast in a straight line but we have to iron out some bugs'

Surely, even for the CSboppers, it is safe to assume that riding an M1, GSV or a RC212V at world championship pace is certainly no picnic, they all have to brake from 300kmph odd to 80kmh odd, in tens of meters, at the majority of the tracks a couple of hundred times over the race weekend. And that's just for 1 corner.

What if CS goes to Honda and continues the way he did in 2006? Nothing to suggest that he won't. This bike is also very difficult to ride, look at Nicky in 07-08.

As usual the predictions for this season are based on an amazing amount of Belief, Fanboyism and little fact.

Jorge Lorenzo will be very hard to beat in 2010, he will push VR even further this year, everyone seems to be underestimating him and focusing on Stoner as Rossi's rival. JL seems much tougher mentally than CS and will no doubt make less mistakes this year with a bike which now suits him very well, I believe his high sides in 08 (which look worse than anything I've seen the Ducati do), and front end issues this year only cement my comments above, all of these things are Farcking hard to ride.....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Jan 18 2010, 05:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jorge Lorenzo will be very hard to beat in 2010, he will push VR even further this year, everyone seems to be underestimating him and focusing on Stoner as Rossi's rival. JL seems much tougher mentally than CS and will no doubt make less mistakes this year with a bike which now suits him very well, I believe his high sides in 08 (which look worse than anything I've seen the Ducati do), and front end issues this year only cement my comments above, all of these things are Farcking hard to ride.....

Ooh, time to surprise people but I agree and see Lorenzo as the likely main challenger and threat to Rossi in 2010, although I do expect far better things from Stoner and him to be there or thereabouts.

For mine, Stoner (love him or loathe him) has a number of significant achievements to his name since joining MotoGP (whether people agree is a different matter) and as such has proven some aspects of himself and his ability. To me, this along with CS's smaller ego (by comparison) and drive to be a 'product' sees him as likely to succeed but not 'need' it as much as others.

For mine, JL wants 'it' bad, like real damn bad as he wants to be the 'product' and take the mantle from Rossi and basically become the face of MotoGP for years to come, this I see as his motivation over and above results. Couple this with his contract posturings and desire (need?) to be Yamaha's number 1 rider will see him push Rossi in ways that Stoner never has and may never do - that being with internal manouverings within the factory as well as all external.

Across the year I see that there will be three aliens (VR, JL, CS) with Pedders there or thereabouts on most occasions (if fully fit - he will more be there) although I do suspect wins and results from a few others (especially Spies - he seems to have an x-Factor).

No prediction from me for the championship as personally I see the real potential that we could well see extraneous factors influencing the championship way to much in 2010.





Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Jan 17 2010, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jorge Lorenzo will be very hard to beat in 2010, he will push VR even further this year, everyone seems to be underestimating him and focusing on Stoner as Rossi's rival. JL seems much tougher mentally than CS and will no doubt make less mistakes this year with a bike which now suits him very well, I believe his high sides in 08 (which look worse than anything I've seen the Ducati do), and front end issues this year only cement my comments above, all of these things are Farcking hard to ride.....
What makes you think this? I thought the same thing before last season and he still crashed out as many times as '08. He's got the talent for sure, but the more I see of him the less I like his mentality. A crash filled rookie year is one thing, but to not improve on that is slightly worrisome.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jan 19 2010, 04:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What makes you think this? I thought the same thing before last season and he still crashed out as many times as '08. He's got the talent for sure, but the more I see of him the less I like his mentality. A crash filled rookie year is one thing, but to not improve on that is slightly worrisome.

Ok I don't agree, but you can apply this to JL and not CS despite CS performing worse and finishing lower in the points over successive seasons with a lot silly mistakes of his own, including two of the most humorous ever, and one which saw him lapped.......this seems a bit of a double standard

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Jan 18 2010, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok I don't agree, but you can apply this to JL and not CS despite CS performing worse and finishing lower in the points over successive seasons with a lot silly mistakes of his own, including two of the most humorous ever, and one which saw him lapped.......this seems a bit of a double standard
The Donny incident is apples and oranges in my opinion. It was a gamble that he claims was necessary if he was going to have a chance at winning. Valencia was a mistake, comparable to any of the crashes of Lorenzo. That's one Stoner crash versus four for Lorenzo. I'm a Lorenzo fan, but I think he's got too much of the Biaggi mentality in him. Very concerned with being a publicity machine and dead set on beating Rossi at all costs. I'll be surprised if he ever beats Rossi to a title.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jan 18 2010, 03:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ooh, time to surprise people but I agree and see Lorenzo as the likely main challenger and threat to Rossi in 2010, although I do expect far better things from Stoner and him to be there or thereabouts.

For mine, Stoner (love him or loathe him) has a number of significant achievements to his name since joining MotoGP (whether people agree is a different matter) and as such has proven some aspects of himself and his ability. To me, this along with CS's smaller ego (by comparison) and drive to be a 'product' sees him as likely to succeed but not 'need' it as much as others.

For mine, JL wants 'it' bad, like real damn bad as he wants to be the 'product' and take the mantle from Rossi and basically become the face of MotoGP for years to come, this I see as his motivation over and above results. Couple this with his contract posturings and desire (need?) to be Yamaha's number 1 rider will see him push Rossi in ways that Stoner never has and may never do - that being with internal manouverings within the factory as well as all external.

Across the year I see that there will be three aliens (VR, JL, CS) with Pedders there or thereabouts on most occasions (if fully fit - he will more be there) although I do suspect wins and results from a few others (especially Spies - he seems to have an x-Factor).

No prediction from me for the championship as personally I see the real potential that we could well see extraneous factors influencing the championship way to much in 2010.





Gaz


Agreed 100%