Ducati and Stoner together again????

never gonna

Nuts said:

It'll never happen......

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totally agree, they dont want him back and i think they would rather rossi stay than have stoner back on the red machine.



firstly ducati dont want a bike only one man can ride, what happens when stoner retires? very unlikely to find another stoner....



if they follow the way rossi wants to go and stop being so ignorant then they will have a bike anyone can ride....... a much better future proof plan.



preziosi said a similar thing recently...



"For sure this challenge is being done because we want to build a bike for Valentino, because we believe that a bike Valentino likes, is a good bike for all the riders. We are following the direction of what he suggests. Of course we are trying to do that at the best of our capability, which is not enough right now to be faster than Honda. But for sure we will try in the direction that Valentino shows us.





soooooo.... Ducati and Stoner together again???? not a chance

Ok...why and the .... did Ducati not listen to Casey, or Nicky?....would it have anything to do with taking direction or suggestions in English? And on top of that they sent one thier own countryman to a shrink becuase there was no way possible there was anything wrong with thier bike!



edit...Jaz...not directed at you.

L8Braker said:

Ok...why and the .... did Ducati not listen to Casey, or Nicky?....would it have anything to do with taking direction or suggestions in English?

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i belive ducati was and are very very ignorant with respects to development and they were the same with rossi until very recently.



a few of us here said when stoner was riding for ducati when he kept loosing the front end that ducati needed to stop following there own direction.

jazkat said:

never gonna





totally agree, they dont want him back and i think they would rather rossi stay than have stoner back on the red machine.



firstly ducati dont want a bike only one man can ride, what happens when stoner retires? very unlikely to find another stoner....



if they follow the way rossi wants to go and stop being so ignorant then they will have a bike anyone can ride....... a much better future proof plan.



preziosi said a similar thing recently...



"For sure this challenge is being done because we want to build a bike for Valentino, because we believe that a bike Valentino likes, is a good bike for all the riders. We are following the direction of what he suggests. Of course we are trying to do that at the best of our capability, which is not enough right now to be faster than Honda. But for sure we will try in the direction that Valentino shows us.





soooooo.... Ducati and Stoner together again???? not a chance

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The conclusion they drew in 2009 wasn't at all unreasonable, they were completely dependent on him being both healthy and signed to them, not a good long term strategy.



Attributing their problems to him and assuming psychiatric/psychological problems as they also did with marco melandri, and not appreciating what he had done for them is where I would take issue, and mostly with marlboro and their man rather than ducati.

jazkat said:

preziosi said a similar thing recently...



"For sure this challenge is being done because we want to build a bike for Valentino, because we believe that a bike Valentino likes, is a good bike for all the riders. We are following the direction of what he suggests. Of course we are trying to do that at the best of our capability, which is not enough right now to be faster than Honda. But for sure we will try in the direction that Valentino shows us.

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I wonder if J4rno still thinks Ducati are not doing anything special for VR. (How u gonna weasel ur wait out of this quote J4rno?)

Jumkie said:

I wonder if J4rno still thinks Ducati are not doing anything special for VR. (How u gonna weasel ur wait out of this quote J4rno?)

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What I always said is that Ducati are doing what they are doing for Ducati -- not for Valentino Rossi.



What Preziosi says is exactly that.



Now, breath deeply. Stop your mental monologue. Read it again.



Got it?

jazkat said:

never gonna





totally agree, they dont want him back and i think they would rather rossi stay than have stoner back on the red machine.



firstly ducati dont want a bike only one man can ride, what happens when stoner retires? very unlikely to find another stoner....



if they follow the way rossi wants to go and stop being so ignorant then they will have a bike anyone can ride....... a much better future proof plan.



preziosi said a similar thing recently...



"For sure this challenge is being done because we want to build a bike for Valentino, because we believe that a bike Valentino likes, is a good bike for all the riders. We are following the direction of what he suggests. Of course we are trying to do that at the best of our capability, which is not enough right now to be faster than Honda. But for sure we will try in the direction that Valentino shows us.





soooooo.... Ducati and Stoner together again???? not a chance

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I disagree. I think Ducati would take Stoner back (if Rossi was to retire or leave) in a heart beat. I have no doubt that the feedback Rossi has given is very similar to the feedback Stoner, Capirossi, Melandri, Hayden and all the satellite riders have given over the years. The difference is before Rossi they did nothing about it. Ducati want to be winning races and championships or they wouldn't be there. To win enough races to win championships you need Stoner or Lorenzo on your bike end of story.



Before Rossi rode the Ducati, in a thread I made a comment that in the relationship Ducati are under the most pressure because if Rossi fails it will not be Rossi's fault in the eyes of the world unlike when Stoner and the others were on it. This comment has proven to be 100% accurate. That is why Ducati are changing the bike now because they can't blame Rossi like they could with the likes of Melandri etc.



Getting Stoner back on the Ducati would mean Ducati could halve their budget because they would not have to 'fix' the bike like they do now because if it is good enough, which I suspect it is, then Stoner will ride around its problems like he did before and win races and with some luck maybe even another championship.



The problem for Ducati is that no way is Stoner going back there because Rossi has proved everything that Stoner needed to be proved.

In my opinion there is another part that we should think of, The situation that HRC and Casey are at. They are now actually working brilliant together and until HRC can't make Pedrosa a title guy they will do anything to keep Stoner on the Honda and by the way Casey was feeling amazing on the Honda last year and if they can fix the chatter and the tyre problems this year then there is no good reason for Stoner to leave the team and retire in another bike, Unless he goes to Yamaha in order to do something special and get the title on 3 different Bikes.

truent said:

lol



i so hope this is someone posing as a chick..

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Must be. How many people have taken the bait, though?

jazkat said:

"For sure this challenge is being done because we want to build a bike for Valentino, because we believe that a bike Valentino likes, is a good bike for all the riders. We are following the direction of what he suggests. Of course we are trying to do that at the best of our capability, which is not enough right now to be faster than Honda. But for sure we will try in the direction that Valentino shows us.

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That particular conceit is just an undead echo of the "Our Dream Team can Fix Anything!" chant the Boppers have been meditating to for the last 18 months. It was comprehensively shot to hell when Ducati told the Yellow Ones to "Quit ....... about and ride Hayden's bike." IMO, the fact that Prezzi is still (Date of quote?) muttering this nonsense says volumes about the clarity of thought within the team.



I suspect Casey wouldn't mind rubbing Valentino's nose in it one more time, but don't think there's a snowball's chance he'll return to Ducati. A trip to Yamaha would happen only if some sort of terrible disaster befell HRC. (Darth Puig poisons Livio and reclaims ultimate power within the organization....? )

Who here thinks Casey could put the current Ducati on pole or even win a race with it?



Hayden put it on the front row. Casey would be quicker than him on the same bike.

GeePee said:

Who here thinks Casey could put the current Ducati on pole or even win a race with it?



Hayden put it on the front row. Casey would be quicker than him on the same bike.

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on pole maybe, but to win a race... this will be difficult. in my eyes jorge looks better than his previous years, and also depends on what bike rossi is. if dani is having one of his days...

Stoner would get a similar no. of wins to 2010 at a bare minimum.



The bike is better with the new cylinder orientation and if Stoner went back to Ducati it would be to prove a point ...... hence he would be motivated.

Probably find Yamaha would contribute to Stoners wages, for Stoner to go back to Duc.

And lets not forget the fact that Stoner would quite like to keep winning championships.



Until the day that the Ducati beats him on the Honda into second place, I think he would rather stay put, thanks.

And if Stoner went back to Ducati, we'd see the whole "he's winning because Rossi developed the bike" story on every MotoGP forum. No, I don't think he'd go back (not because of that reason ofc).

The California Kid said:

As much as we all love Casey and regard him as the Tamer of Ducati, He only won 1 title for ducati.

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Ahem... don't you mean he won the ONLY title for Ducati? Or have they won another GP class championship that I wasn't aware of? I suppose you could give them the World F1 champs back in the day... but it's a long time between drinks.



That makes him El Tamero in my book...



How's the worlds best development rider doing?

If Stoner went back to Ducati, we would be back to where he was, a few race wins and lots of Timex moments in the gravel. I have no doubt there will be a mental meltdown this season, Stoner is unbeatable when it's going his way, but he will be crying like a child and blaming the world when he gets pushed in a race an falls off. If Jorge starts winning, he will be allergic to nappies or some other lame excuse and go home with his tail between his legs for a few races. Lets be honest, if he could win on anything, where are his 125 an 250 titles?



At this moment in time Casey is the fastest out there, but, when all is not right, for gods sake, even Pedrosa beat him to a 250 title! And the worst rider ever according to Barry et all took the title back from him and kept it in 2008!

have to keep in mind though that both his 250cc aprilia and the 800cc desmosedici were well below what his competition rode!

i tend to agree though that he wasn't the greatest rider in 250s, maybe hes not the best at corner speed

I think that if Stoner is working towards one year contracts, he knows that the CRT is coming in spades. I doubt he would want to ride one after reading all his comments regarding CRT, but you never know. The one year contract easily gives him the ability to switch teams if one seems better than the other and they look to have the proper resources to support him. It could also mean that maybe he would jump ship to SBK to a factory effort if DORNA kills the factory efforts in GP. The kid is in his prime, he should keep going cause he actually has the ability to break quite a few records. Who knows what will happen though. It seems as though all the news outlets just create stories to see what happens.