Ducati? 2nd Rider always suffers.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Apr 19 2009, 08:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Excuses, excuses. Yes, some of the points are valid, but he still HAS TO BE faster than Kallio. Or are you going to claim that riding for many years in Moto GP class is BAD thing and that Kallio has an advantage to Hayden?!

Come on! He has to beat Kallio or... Well, he doesn't deserve the factory bike.
I think he can beat Kallio. I just think that a 130mph highside had something to do with his being a little off the pace there. But anyway we should see him up there. IF he isn't then hello Kallio on the factory team next year.

We'll see Nicky's true potential at Motegi. However, I believe he's at least 2/10th faster than Kallio when his bike isn't fking up. FYI, if Pedrosa had found 2/10ths per lap, he would've podiumed instead of finishing 11th.

<u>Fastest Laps of 2009</u>
Nicky Hayden
1:57.225
Mika Kallio
1'57.510

<u>Last Lap at Qatar</u>
Hayden / Kallio
1'58.273 / 1'58.652

^Interesting info. Let's see what happens next weekend.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Snurfer @ Apr 20 2009, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I had thought that the barcode is a Marlboro thing... its their 'logo' when they are in countries they can't advertise cigarettes. Isn't ferrari backed by them?

Hum?? This symbol aside the horse is a Marlboro thing?



Sorry for the misinformation, but I had never seen it before on Marlboro box.

Hmm ... I wasn't disputing anything. Idk much about Ferrari or F1 - its just what I had assumed seeing how that logo completely replaces the marlboro logo on most tracks.

After doing a little research it seems that Ferrari is sponsored by Marlboro and that this Barcode logo is a way to get around directly advertising their brand. If it were on the packs of cigarettes then it would be deamed a direct advertisement:

This could arise if governments deem the sublminal Marlboro logos to be still promoting a tobacco compay, which even Marlboro would admit, they are. Unfortunately most of the products produced by Altria do not fit with Ferrari's red and white livery, with the possible exception of Ritz crackers. Certainly the Scuderia Ferrari Kraft Macaroni and Cheese team name is somewhat less than appealing.

From: http://www.f1network.net/main/s85/st110811.htm

It would seem then that Ferrari doesn't give any sponsorship to Ducati - but the link is Marlboro

I thought it was generally known that the barcode logo was Marlboro's, it's one of the most known in motorsport. Anyway, even though Ducati may not have solid links (particularly not financially) with Ferrari, but they are still very well funded.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Snurfer @ Apr 21 2009, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hmm ... I wasn't disputing anything. Idk much about Ferrari or F1 - its just what I had assumed seeing how that logo completely replaces the marlboro logo on most tracks.

After doing a little research it seems that Ferrari is sponsored by Marlboro and that this Barcode logo is a way to get around directly advertising their brand. If it were on the packs of cigarettes then it would be deamed a direct advertisement:

This could arise if governments deem the sublminal Marlboro logos to be still promoting a tobacco compay, which even Marlboro would admit, they are. Unfortunately most of the products produced by Altria do not fit with Ferrari's red and white livery, with the possible exception of Ritz crackers. Certainly the Scuderia Ferrari Kraft Macaroni and Cheese team name is somewhat less than appealing.

From: http://www.f1network.net/main/s85/st110811.htm

It would seem then that Ferrari doesn't give any sponsorship to Ducati - but the link is Marlboro
Ferrari at this moment is currently helping Ducati develop a new SBK motor. It is still supposed to be a twin but we all know how these teams like to disinform the public before showing their true hand.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Apr 22 2009, 08:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ferrari at this moment is currently helping Ducati develop a new SBK motor. It is still supposed to be a twin but we all know how these teams like to disinform the public before showing their true hand.

Is the way they disinform the public about secret motorcycle projects similar to the way you disinform the public about the English language?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 22 2009, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is the way they disinform the public about secret motorcycle projects similar to the way you disinform the public about the English language?
WTF do you mean? Are you not able to understand what I just wrote? Who cares dude get a grip. I was just writing something about how Ferrari is helping Ducati. It amazes me some of the stupid .... people concern themselves with. As far as I know this site is about motorcycles and not ...... grammer.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Apr 22 2009, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>WTF do you mean? Are you not able to understand what I just wrote? Who cares dude get a grip. I was just writing something about how Ferrari is helping Ducati. It amazes me some of the stupid .... people concern themselves with. As far as I know this site is about motorcycles and not ...... grammer.

Like using the Personal Messenger to threaten other members with legal action?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 22 2009, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Like using the Personal Messenger to threaten other members with legal action?
No threat. YOu will be recieving something soon.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Apr 22 2009, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No threat. YOu will be recieving something soon.
I'm waiting

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 22 2009, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm waiting
cool

Isn't the Marlboro barcode just speculation or folklore?

<u>I don't doubt it is a Marlboro thing,</u> but, what I mean is, is there any <u>concrete and definitive</u> (this means ...... sites pure speculation doesn't serves) statement attesting that?

What is the deal with a "<u>secondary and hidden</u>" Marlboro logo composing the Scuderia Ferrari sticky?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Apr 23 2009, 05:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No threat. YOu will be recieving something soon.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Apr 22 2009, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
lol infinity

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ Apr 23 2009, 05:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Isn't the Marlboro barcode just speculation or folklore?
Are you serious... LINKS

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ Apr 20 2009, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I forgot where I read but I remember reading Filippo Preziosi saying about it. He said Ducati has not enough money to restart a new project every year, so they have to focus in alternatives/workarounds such electronics and stuff.

If Ducati had money, they will drop the evolution of Desmosedici project and start a new one from the ground, I'm sure.

By seeing Ferrari's racing logo at Ducati bikes (that like a barcode), we can assume Maranello factory helps Ducati in some way, but I think not with money. Ferrari may give a help in electronics and engine tweaks.

Regards!

Preziosi said that in the winter 2007-8. In fact the 2008 bike was not different from the 2007 model--some minor modifications to the trellis frame and the power curve of the engine, that was all. But now in 2009 the story is different--I would consider the GP09 a brand new bike, since it is a completely new frame with a new generation of the L4 desmo engine.

Ducati do have money coming from investors, but why should they drop the Desmosedici concept which is the most successful MotoGP bike of the 800cc era, at least until they have a rider like Stoner who can tame it? Much better to keep developing it, it still seems to have a lot of potential, and hope some other rider can adapt to the bike.

The bar code you see on the Ferraris and Ducatis is just the sponsor's logo (Marlboro) which has to be displayed as bar code in those countries that prohibit tobacco publicity...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Apr 20 2009, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We'll see Nicky's true potential at Motegi. However, I believe he's at least 2/10th faster than Kallio when his bike isn't fking up. FYI, if Pedrosa had found 2/10ths per lap, he would've podiumed instead of finishing 11th.

<u>Fastest Laps of 2009</u>
Nicky Hayden
1:57.225
Mika Kallio
1'57.510

<u>Last Lap at Qatar</u>
Hayden / Kallio
1'58.273 / 1'58.652

Honestly....this is too funny....

1:57.225 for Nicky in TESTING
1:58.273 for Nicky in the RACE

1'57 .938 for Mike in TESTING
1:57:510 for Mika in the RACE

Let's discuss how may points do you get for testing again?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ Apr 22 2009, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Isn't the Marlboro barcode just speculation or folklore?

<u>I don't doubt it is a Marlboro thing,</u> but, what I mean is, is there any <u>concrete and definitive</u> (this means ...... sites pure speculation doesn't serves) statement attesting that?

What is the deal with a "<u>secondary and hidden</u>" Marlboro logo composing the Scuderia Ferrari sticky?

Are you suggesting that its simply a coincedence that major race teams with Marlboro title sponsor ship always display the same barcode at races where Tobacco sponsorship is not allowed?

As far as Ducati's doomed second riders go. We all know a riders performance is affected by not only their ability, but the ability of their team and the communication between the two. On top of that their is the possibility of differences in the machinary, more likely later in the season, particularly if the results have been particularly one sided.

I don't think Nicky will underperform enough to get left out of the best updates, and so far i've read that he and Casey tend to agree on the direction the bike should go. It is probable that Casey's side of the garage now has all the best personel that Ducati course have to offer but i don't think Nickies team are incable. The bike is oviously not as user friendly as what he is used to, and with a new team to boot Nicky obviously has work to do in sevral areas. The plus side of that is that we can hope for progress. If his season winds up worse off than he was at Honda things will look quite bad for Hayden.