Dovizioso concerned with Honda's pace

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Mar 11 2009, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You pricks should discuss something where you won't argue so much.... try politics or religion !!!
Couple of comments, for what the are worth.

1. Even if the dimensions were similar, there was a big difference between the 2006 Honda and the 2007 Honda. minus abt 50 Hp and minus about 15 kg. Clearly Honda thought the future on 800's was smaller framed, lighter riders (like 250's) Hey Nuts, are you NUTS? where you got those 15kg from? The weight limit is 1kg heavier than the 990's.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Pedro was their man, and with the insistance of Puig, the bike was structured around Pedro's requirements. Hayden understandably got the ..... because he was WC, and was being bumped to No. 2 in the team. Secondly he was dealing with Pedro and Puig, who are clowns.
Probably Honda also felt Pedro was a better rider than Hayden (right or wrong), and the future in 800cc racing.... and certainly with the market in Spain probably more important to their marketing and imiage (remember - racing is to sell bikes).

That's all fine and exactly what I've been saying all along. However it's not a very good argument for why Honda should downsize 4 sizes when 2 would do just fine. It would fit pedrosa fine, all the others just fine except Hayden that would strugle a little. Obviously they down sized but not to the degree that you can claim it was taylored for the smallest guy on a motorbike.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 11 2009, 04:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey Nuts, are you NUTS? where you got those 15kg from? The weight limit is 1kg heavier than the 990's.

The weight difference is 3kg, but the bikes probably ARE significantly lighter. I remember reading several articles that indicated 990s were above the minimum weight limit. Some b/c of budget others b/c they were adding ballast to keep the bike balanced/stable under brutal acceleration.

Definitely not 15kg lighter, probably 2 or 3. But the big difference, imo, is the reduction in reciprocating mass.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 11 2009, 04:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry ...... must admit was one of those "blind ole me" hit "Add reply" instead of "preview" ..... too early .... and edited as you were typing ..... Was in ahurry too this morning so just ploughed on through ....... but the added bit doesn't affect what you commented on anyway

You are bloody "keen" to have picked it up though!! I typed that last bit pretty rushedly

Rog, can you explain this ^ to me?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 11 2009, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rog, can you explain this ^ to me?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 10 2009, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well there you go .....

1. Its so easy to change things like rider position on a bike ( hell ducati's come with it on their road machines ) why would Haydens crew not adjust these for him?

2, Its so easy to lengthen frame ...... why would Haydens crew not get these things done for him?

3. Its so easy to change a swingarm ........ why would Haydens crew not get this done for him?


It is a motogp team ..... Repsol in fact ..... you are suggesting that Honda deliberately stopped Haydens crew putting ( or even adjusting the parts ) on his bike when needed.
Have you no idea about bike goemetry ?? So you think it's easy to just lenghten a motogp frame or change to a different swing arm Do you have no concept of how these items effect the bike ??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 11 2009, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Have you no idea about bike goemetry ?? So you think it's easy to just lenghten a motogp frame or change to a different swing arm Do you have no concept of how these items effect the bike ??

Thanks Roger, finally nice to see someone agree with me!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Mar 11 2009, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>when this post first appeared, it was this only..

and then after my replies, it now contains this as well..



thats one sneaky edit barry....... and fairly dishonest too.

the end.


i once made the mistake of not quote bm only for him to go back and edit his post then deny what he had said. Dont take him seriously Al. No one else does !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 11 2009, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rog, can you explain this ^ to me?
some sort of bush dialect i think. probable have been clearer if he stuck to his smoke signals

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 11 2009, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rog, can you explain this ^ to me?
berry posted about 4 lines of insult which i then replied to....

i then fired up my browser some hours later to find he had edited in about 90 more lines of drivel.

he now claims to have hit the "add reply" accidentally instead of the "preview post"...
but seeing as how he has done this in the past, i am sceptical. he only "owned up to the editing after i called him on it and am fairly sure he would not have said anything about it unless i had made a noise...
like i said to him, thats dishonest and so he is now the sole recipient of the chicken-.... button award...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Mar 11 2009, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>berry posted about 4 lines of insult which i then replied to....

i then fired up my browser some hours later to find he had edited in about 90 more lines of drivel.

he now claims to have hit the "add reply" accidentally instead of the "preview post"...
but seeing as how he has done this in the past, i am sceptical. he only "owned up to the editing after i called him on it and am fairly sure he would not have said anything about it unless i had made a noise...
like i said to him, thats dishonest and so he is now the sole recipient of the chicken-.... button award...




BTW, I wouldn't put him on the CSB list, you'll miss some great gems. BM still thinks Honda's development had nothing to do with Peders. (and that even after Dovi is calling Honda on it now). Uhm, Rog, those smoke signals are not BM communication device, its simply the smoke coming from the ganga he's toking Bob Marley status.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 11 2009, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

BTW, I wouldn't put him on the CSB list, you'll miss some great gems. BM still thinks Honda's development had nothing to do with Peders. (and that even after Dovi is calling Honda on it now). Uhm, Rog, those smoke signals are not BM communication device, its simply the smoke coming from the ganga he's toking Bob Marley status.
bm is my entertainment

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 12 2009, 07:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Have you no idea about bike goemetry ?? So you think it's easy to just lenghten a motogp frame or change to a different swing arm Do you have no concept of how these items effect the bike ??

Yes Rog. I'd be suprised if many don't have much adjustment built in ...... again just look at some of the Ducati road bikes

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Mar 12 2009, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i then fired up my browser some hours later to find he had edited in about 90 more lines of drivel.

Now you are being dishonest intentionally

you know full well I was typing that as you replied ..... it was in the minutes ..... hours! ........!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 12 2009, 09:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

BTW, I wouldn't put him on the CSB list, you'll miss some great gems. BM still thinks Honda's development had nothing to do with Peders. (and that even after Dovi is calling Honda on it now). Uhm, Rog, those smoke signals are not BM communication device, its simply the smoke coming from the ganga he's toking Bob Marley status.

So are you joining Puig's thoughts that Hayden can't develop a bike? ...... you can't have it both ways

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 12 2009, 02:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rog, can you explain this ^ to me?

explains why you have an "odd" view on things MGP

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 11 2009, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Now you are being dishonest intentionally

you know full well I was typing that as you replied ..... it was in the minutes ..... hours! ........!

do i? and how is that possible unless i'm sitting next to you?

you reaslly dont get how this works do you? you could have written it minutes after but how am i supposed to see it if im not looking?

now .... off barry, you know full well what you were up to.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Mar 12 2009, 06:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>do i? and how is that possible unless i'm sitting next to you?

you reaslly dont get how this works do you? you could have written it minutes after but how am i supposed to see it if im not looking?

now .... off barry, you know full well what you were up to.

time of my post 8:49 time of yours 8:53 ........ thats a very short hour!

No its just that you guys run out of content to discuss on the topic, or have no answers ...... to the point that you then find that crap talk becomes the next two pages to post about, including the "Politics" of posts.

You've spent 100 times more words on knocking my posting style than the actual content I posted.

Which I now am doing ............

My point in "that" post is ...... Dovi isn't a small guy ...... as Hayden is not ....... will Dovi always suffer the comparison with Pedrosa as Hayden did? I couldn't find his weight statistics, he doesn't look quite as big as Hayden ..... but he's no Pedrosa in size.

For Hayden 990's had ample power and torque, he didn't use it all, but he would probably have used more than Pedrosa to get himself round at his limit. With the 800's perhaps Pedrosa still has some power and torque in store and perhaps Hayden ( by virtue of his weight ) is just pushing the 800 to its limit at times? Is Dovi of that weight?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 12 2009, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My point in "that" post is ...... Dovi isn't a small guy ...... as Hayden is not ....... will Dovi always suffer the comparison with Pedrosa as Hayden did? I couldn't find his weight statistics, he doesn't look quite as big as Hayden ..... but he's no Pedrosa in size.

Dovi is well under average as a motoGP rider with his
Height: 164 cm. (5'4'')
Weight: 56 kg. (123.76 lbs.)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 12 2009, 10:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>time of my post 8:49 time of yours 8:53 ........ thats a very short hour!

No its just that you guys run out of content to discuss on the topic, or have no answers ...... to the point that you then find that crap talk becomes the next two pages to post about, including the "Politics" of posts.

You've spent 100 times more words on knocking my posting style than the actual content I posted.

Your "content" has been beaten to death more times than I care to remember, extreemly seldom any thing worth mentioning there