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Andrea Dovizioso has admitted that he is disappointed with Honda's performance so far in pre-season testing.

The works Repsol team trailed not only main rivals Ducati and Yamaha, but also the resurgent Suzuki team, at both Sepang and Losail.

Dovizioso, who joined the factory squad from the satellite JiR Scot team over the winter, has also had to carry out most of Repsol Honda's development single-handedly due to teammate Dani Pedrosa's injuries.

The Italian said he was concerned by Honda's apparent lack of speed, and thinks he is more unhappy with the package than Pedrosa.

"It's early to tell, but I expected a more competitive package," Dovizioso told Gazzetta dello Sport. "I don't know how much that's down to Pedrosa and how much down to Honda. My understanding is that I think he doesn't want many changes."

He feels that Honda currently have several areas that require attention.

"We have a few little problems, especially with rear stability under braking, but also engine power output," said Dovizioso.

"There's also work to do on the clutch. We are slow at turn entry and in Qatar, with cold and damp conditions, the bike would slide a lot under braking."

Dovizioso believes Honda are making progress, but not rapidly enough for his liking.

"I'm happy with the improvements, but they are late," he said. "We have taken too long to see small progress. We need to react more quickly."


I must admit that apart from Elias, none of the Honda's have seemed competitive in winter testing. Wasn't lack of power a big problem for them in 07 until they introduced the pnuematic valve motor?
I have the impression too from what Dovi has said is that Pedrosa isn't really technically capable, and its he, not Hayden, who cannot set up a bike!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#22 @ Mar 9 2009, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I must admit that apart from Elias, none of the Honda's have seemed competitive in winter testing. Wasn't lack of power a big problem for them in 07 until they introduced the pnuematic valve motor?
I have the impression too from what Dovi has said is that Pedrosa isn't really technically capable, and its he, not Hayden, who cannot set up a bike!

i thought they brought in the pneumo in 2008? anyway, it was to try and catch up to the higher revving ducatis (and yamahas). lack of power was an issue from the beginning of 2007 but it seemed sorted at the end (remember valencia 2007?). then everyone improved in 2008 again and the honda was left struggling again.
as for dovi, i agree. he seems to be saying that pedders is no good at development. although to be fair, it is hard to develop anything except bedsores when you spend most of the winter tests in the clinica mobile..

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i hope Dovizioso whips Pedrosa's ... this season...

he sure has the talent to...

then Puig can go outside and play hide and go F#$@ himself!
 
I already said it in Qatar test topic, it's really surprising how far most Hondas are. Still, I'd be very surprised if Suzuki stays ahead Honda for all season.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#22 @ Mar 9 2009, 04:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"It's early to tell, but I expected a more competitive package," Dovizioso told Gazzetta dello Sport. "I don't know how much that's down to Pedrosa and how much down to Honda. My understanding is that I think he doesn't want many changes."
More development "direction" from the poison dwarf?
 
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He was doomed to another season on JiR if Repsol hadn't picked him up. The problem is not the Honda (even though it sucks) the problem is Dovi's unrealistic expectations.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 9 2009, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dovi
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He was doomed to another season on JiR if Repsol hadn't picked him up. The problem is not the Honda (even though it sucks) the problem is Dovi's unrealistic expectations.
What he is saying may well be true, and you may well be correct that his expectations of the pneumatic engine were unrealistic. It is not entirely impossible that nicky was extracting performance towards the end of last season that is hard to match
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I do find it odd that dovi is being so vocal, as he is well aware that this is not something honda have traditionally appreciated from their riders; if he is openly expressing doubts it makes me wonder about his perception of the strength of honda's commitment to motogp, and his future prospects with them. As was the case with kawasaki and with their own F1 effort they are not garnering much positive publicity in quite a few parts of the world. On the other hand honda may have decided to shaft pedrosa and have given dovi the go-ahead to criticise dani's bike development
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 9 2009, 02:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What he is saying may well be true, and you may well be correct that his expectations of the pneumatic engine were unrealistic. It is not entirely impossible that nicky was extracting performance towards the end of last season that is hard to match
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I do find it odd that dovi is being so vocal, as he is well aware that this is not something honda have traditionally appreciated from their riders; if he is openly expressing doubts it makes me wonder about his perception of the strength of honda's commitment to motogp, and his future prospects with them. As was the case with kawasaki and with their own F1 effort they are not garnering much positive publicity in quite a few parts of the world. On the other hand honda may have decided to shaft pedrosa and have given dovi the go-ahead to criticise dani's bike development
Dovi is Italian and that should suffice to say regarding his outspokenness. Screw Pedrobot and his group of nose in the air spainards who for some reason think they are better than everyone else. .... look at Rossi he doesn't ever act like that and he has won just about everything. Dovi is gonna hand pedro and pig their walking papers at the end of the year since they have had the time in order to do what they were hired to do yet failed.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Mar 9 2009, 08:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dovi is Italian and that should suffice to say regarding his outspokenness. Screw Pedrobot and his group of nose in the air spainards who for some reason think they are better than everyone else. .... look at Rossi he doesn't ever act like that and he has won just about everything. Dovi is gonna hand pedro and pig their walking papers at the end of the year since they have had the time in order to do what they were hired to do yet failed.

Rossi has never acted out? Are you forgetting last season?! I seem to remember him slamming Michelin every single weekend. He whined until he got Ezy to change his tires. Now he's champ again and no one seems to remember how ungracious and angry he was last season.
 
I think he's just trying to stake out some space.
IMO his remarks are aimed at the idiots on the other side of the pit, not at Honda. After watching Haystack suffer in silence for too many years, Dovi is making a conscious attempt to claim a voice within the 'team.'

That, or he's just a yappy Italian...
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Autosport missed this juicy tidbit...

(from motogpmatters.com)

Dovizioso also had a few words to say about his working relationship with his putative team mate Dani Pedrosa. The atmosphere in the garage is a little uncomfortable, according to Dovi. And though they don't exchange information, at least Dovizioso has access to all of the data. As for Pedrosa's manager, Alberto Puig, Dovizioso did not expect to be troubled by the Spaniard for too much longer. "Everyone knows that Puig is trying to exert as much power as he can. I think that when the new president of HRC arrives in June, things will be better."
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ThePhorest @ Mar 9 2009, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As for Pedrosa's manager, Alberto Puig, Dovizioso did not expect to be troubled by the Spaniard for too much longer. "Everyone knows that Puig is trying to exert as much power as he can. I think that when the new president of HRC arrives in June, things will be better."
Doh!
I bet Nicky would offer his condolences....NOT!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 9 2009, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi has never acted out? Are you forgetting last season?! I seem to remember him slamming Michelin every single weekend. He whined until he got Ezy to change his tires. Now he's champ again and no one seems to remember how ungracious and angry he was last season.


WTF are you on about? He was on B/S's last season so had no reason to moan about the Michelins. Also, he had every right to moan about the Michelins the year before because they were woeful. The fact that he won in his first year on the B/S's, couple with the fact that everyone wanted to be on them this year, has proven him right.

And in response to your reply about Dovi; It is very clear that Pedrosa the Spanish dwarf hasn't got a ....... clue how to set-up a bike or develop it, and that Dovi clearly knows what he's talking about. I can't wait for him to kick Pedrosa's arse, I can't stand the miserable .....
 
If there is one thing Dovi can do, it's setup a bike. Engine development, I'm no so sure. I'd guess he's better than Dani.

Pedrosa is so small that he doesn't need much torque to get his speed. Other riders like Nicky and Dovi must hate the peaky nature of a Dani-type power delivery.
 
Since there is only one Dani and several Honda riders it makes little sense to develop the machine around him. With his injury maybe Dovi can steer the direction of the machines development the way he wants. What he should do is meet with Puig formally and set some garage rules up. Failing that he should meet him informally and set some garage rules up...if you know what I mean. Don't take .... from anyone.
 
Dovi can talk ..../truth because he can, with no backlash.

Makes you wonder about just how deep Nicky got ...... at Honda while Puig & Incest Son ran the show. Now we got a connected Italian with the backing to expose some of the .... Honda are doing to tailor and direct development Peder's way, and guess what, he's saying it's NOT good/doesn NOT work for him. This isn't news to me or any of the people who were accused of being Hayden apologist. Truth always has a way of surfacing, even if people refuse to hear it or stick head in sand as they have for the last two years.

So Dovi has discovered that the machine and development is all good for Peders but isn't working for him??? Uhm, yeah, no ...., that's what Hayden fans have been yelling about for 2+ years!

At least for the sake of Dovi, Honda are starting to get frustrated with Asimo & Programmer, and this means they will probably listen to Dovi a bit more.

Anybody here still think the Honda was not tailor made for Peders to the detriment of Hayden since day one after the title was won in 06?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 9 2009, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dovi can talk ..../truth because he can, with no backlash.

Makes you wonder about just how deep Nicky got ...... at Honda while Puig & Incest Son ran the show. Now we got a connected Italian with the backing to expose some of the .... Honda are doing to tailor and direct development Peder's way, and guess what, he's saying it's NOT good/doesn NOT work for him. This isn't news to me or any of the people who were accused of being Hayden apologist. Truth always has a way of surfacing, even if people refuse to hear it or stick head in sand as they have for the last two years.

So Dovi has discovered that the machine and development is all good for Peders but isn't working for him??? Uhm, yeah, no ...., that's what Hayden fans have been yelling about for 2+ years!

At least for the sake of Dovi, Honda are starting to get frustrated with Asimo & Programmer, and this means they will probably listen to Dovi a bit more.

Anybody here still think the Honda was not tailor made for Peders to the detriment of Hayden since day one after the title was won in 06?

man i really think that the 07 bike was in development for dani before hayden won the title then they screwed him over in 07 and last season.

i said when it was announced that i hope honda dont screw dovi over the guy has serious potential.. i bet weedobot would never have got the results on the bike dovi rode in 08.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 10 2009, 09:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anybody here still think the Honda was not tailor made for Peders to the detriment of Hayden since day one after the title was won in 06?

Me ....... tis a stupid proposition ....... why would Honda allow that? especially after Hayden just won the WC on the thing?
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I don't see anything to back your statement either in What Dovi said ........ seems no more than any new rider on a team would say.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 10 2009, 01:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Me ....... tis a stupid proposition ....... why would Honda allow that? especially after Hayden just won the WC on the thing?
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I don't see anything to back your statement either in What Dovi said ........ seems no more than any new rider on a team would say.
So you have never noticed how small the rc212v looks with hayboy sat on it ? You dont remember HRC midway through a season having to make a wider fairing for nicky to deflect the wind around his considerably wider shoulders ? Do you actually watch race's berry or do you just get the stoner highlights via smoke signals deep in the aussie bush ??
 

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