Dovi???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The California Kid @ Nov 4 2009, 07:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Im curious to see Whats people opinion on Dovis season?
In my opinion I think he picked up right were Nicky left off and he didnt bring much improvement to that 2nd Honda. That win at Donington was a big fluke infact the whole podium was a Fluke! with Jorge and rossi crashing and Stoner runing without rubber the race was up for grabs for anyone.
another good question is How Dovi would have done on the Duc? Lets hear it folks

Dovi says his biggest problem is with the aggressive power delivery on the Honda. I doubt he would to anything good on the Ducati. You've got to admit this season has been terribly disappointing. Both Dovi and Hayden were supposed to return to the front, and both have gone farther backwards.

Maybe the incoming rookies will make a difference.

It was the right move at the time. Hayden had run his course with Honda, things weren't going to get any better there. Dovizioso was the most promising young rider available and had a history with Honda. It made absolute sense. Unfortunately, Dovi hasn't been able to cope with the new 212. I won't call it quits on him yet. Should Honda switch to Magnetti Marelli as rumored for next season, Dovi, as well as Pedrosa, might be more capable of running nearer to Rossi, Lorenzo and Stoner. If Dovi isn't significantly closer to Pedrosa next season on a consistent basis I call bust.

I think honda made the right move. Dovi proved himself on the scot honda and it was time to give him the chance to step up to a factory ride. Although I do think that the honda was a bit behind the Yamaha and the Duc this year, I agree that Dovi should have done a bit more this season. Next season he needs to have more wins/podiums or I can't see him staying their that long, especially with all the new talent coming up to the satellites next year.

Just looking at points, i think he is exactly where he should be in the pecking order. Most racing fans would have picked him around 5th or 6trh before the season began and 5th is where he sits.If he loses out to Edwards for 5th,that would not look good.

Maybe 5th or 6th in the championship is ok, but he is consistently too far behind Pedrosa. The bike may or may not be good, but your team-mate is your benchmark. At the time he was the obvious choice , but, as Gardner has said, Honda needs to throw the chequebook at Stoner( or Lorenzo) or they will be in the wilderness for many many years. Neither Dovi or Pedrosa seem strong enough to ever win a title. Simoncelli seems fast so may be their future, but I don,t like him as he is a loose cannon and may kill somebody one day. He almost did it to Barbera.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Nov 5 2009, 06:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Maybe 5th or 6th in the championship is ok, but he is consistently too far behind Pedrosa. The bike may or may not be good, but your team-mate is your benchmark. At the time he was the obvious choice , but, as Gardner has said, Honda needs to throw the chequebook at Stoner( or Lorenzo) or they will be in the wilderness for many many years. Neither Dovi or Pedrosa seem strong enough to ever win a title. Simoncelli seems fast so may be their future, but I don,t like him as he is a loose cannon and may kill somebody one day. He almost did it to Barbera.


Simoncelli a loose cannon...may kill somebody one day? Dude not for nothing but this seems a bit far fetched.

If any one of the two is a loose cannon, its Barbera..

Matrix- you,re not aware of Simoncellis history?

ok. In a race (can,t remember just now) Simoncelli was leading, but Barbera was regularly passing him on the straight, so with 1 0r 2 laps to go, as Barbera is making his pass, Simoncelli suddenly swerves towards him so that Barberas front Brake locks as it hits Simoncellis bike. Barbera does cartwheels and was very lucky to survice. And yes, it was a very deliberate swerve. If you saw it you would never forget it!
I know Barberas record is not that good either, but that was the most sickening deliberate act I have seen! Simoncelli also tends to put other riders at risk in too many races on a regular basis.

Barbera & Simoncelli are both a bit loose, bring on the 2010 season...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (alex29 @ Nov 5 2009, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Barbera & Simoncelli are both a bit loose, bring on the 2010 season...

I like when Simoncelli almost ran Aoyama into the pit wall last race

I thought that Dovi did better on the Scott Honda. At least he was more consistent. He keeps talking about hanging with the front group, which he hasn't been able to deliver. Part of me wants to believe that he is suffering under the Pedro/Puig effect but if this was the case then I think that he would have been more outspoken about it. I think it strictly comes down to his riding ability.

I don't know, he used to be able to hang with Lorenzo a lot better when they were in the 250's. Did Lorenzo suddenly gain a second on Dovi? Or is the Honda built in mind of one rider

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Nov 5 2009, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ok. In a race (can,t remember just now) Simoncelli was leading, but Barbera was regularly passing him on the straight, so with 1 0r 2 laps to go, as Barbera is making his pass, Simoncelli suddenly swerves towards him so that Barberas front Brake locks as it hits Simoncellis bike. Barbera does cartwheels and was very lucky to survice. And yes, it was a very deliberate swerve. If you saw it you would never forget it!
I know Barberas record is not that good either, but that was the most sickening deliberate act I have seen! Simoncelli also tends to put other riders at risk in too many races on a regular basis.
It was Mugello, 2008, and turned out to be Simoncelli's first win in the 250s. But I don't think it was quite as villianous as you make out, and he definitely didn't deliberately cause the crash! Certainly, Simoncelli was changing direction trying to break the slipstream (and weaving down the straight is something that's frowned upon, in spite of the fact that everyone does it), but Barbera had no need to be riding the way he was over the last few laps of the race. Basically, Hector was being a complete ..... His bike was much so much faster (2 laps before he sat up in the last corner, then passed Simoncelli before the line on his left; 1 lap before he sat up in the last corner, then passed Simoncelli before the line on his right), he should have put his head down and gapped Simoncelli for the win OR just followed behind until the last lap for an easy win. Did Barbera deserve to go cartwheeling down the front straight at 200km/h? Of course not. But the whole situation could have been avoided.

That's not to say that Super Sic isn't an over-aggressive rider; I think he was lucky not to punished for attempting to smear Aoyoma into the pit wall at Sepang--especially since he's under a 'suspended sentence' for forcing Bautista off track at Mugello this year. Maybe it was karma that Barbera beat him in a photo finish for second.

Barbera's record this season is quite good, actually. Sito Pon's wealth of experience has helped to eradicate the 'red mist' perfomances there, I think--although I don't think his accounting methods have done anything for Hector's blood pressure, though!

As for Dovi, this season has been disappointing, no doubt about it. He's crashed out of more races this year than almost in his entire career previously. He has real problems with qualifying in a decent slot (Benson's fault? Is that why he's getting the chop?), and, considering Pedrosa's injuries earlier in the season, etc. he really shouldn't be so far behind him in the points.

When it comes to bike set-up I think being a factory rider has him spoiled for choice and unsure of what direction to take. Showa vs. Ohlins, new engine parts, etc... during his time with Scot Honda in the 250s (and MotoGP) he had never had as many options. I could see how Suppo joining HRC (plus the rumoured 'Italian' crew chief--is Daniele Romagnoli Italian?) could benefit him. Plus, Honda haven't been constantly this low on the pecking order since HRC was created in 1982--surely the big H will make a great bike in 2010? Maybe Dovi will come good next year. Doohan took a while to find his stride, too!

Saying Dovi out loud sounds very gay.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J708 @ Nov 5 2009, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Saying Dovi out loud sounds very gay.
Thats funny. You sound like Curve.


Anyway my 2 cents: I agree with Austin. And I'll add....... Puig.

Tanks Rising sun. Nice overview of the situation(s).
Simoncelli can be a bit too aggressive but he does not deserve that stamp.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Nov 6 2009, 12:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tanks Rising sun. Nice overview of the situation(s).
Simoncelli can be a bit too aggressive but he does not deserve that stamp.

He DOES deserve the stamp until he changes his ways. Everybody makes the odd hard move, but when you see the same guy time after time putting the other riders in danger then he should be labelled a dangerous rider. Rising Sun was being very generous about Simoncelli. I think you should ask Barbera about that move. Simoncellis "weave" was one of the most sudden changes in direction I have seen. I am no fan of Barberas, but what I don,t want to see next year is one of the top riders sidelined by Simoncellis recklessness. I can imagine the uproar next year if Rossi is shunted off-track and is out for the rest of the year. Simoncelli has already had several warnings, but it must be made very clear to him the consequences of any dangerous moves in the top category.

Putting it simply- the motogp field is pretty thin as it is. We can,t afford to have even fewer on the grid.

I've been critic of Simoncelli also and he has run people off the track. He was officially warned this year about it so it's not an opinion. But on the satellite Yami he's not going to win anything and Benny has come up through the AMA. Good luck to him. Tojam learned the hard way and he will also if need be.

As far as Dovi goes I'm not overwhelmed but anyone compared to the aliens is going to look second rate. I like him he's a decent rider and once Honda remaps ala Marelli he'll be better off. Pedrosa and Dovi are a very well balanced team.