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Dovi rejects Ducati’s initial offer!

Iamapony said:
We race fans can only hope that sugary caffeine drinks do not go the way of cigarettes.

Ducati caught the HRC disease of "Our bike is great. Shut-up and ride." HRC did it to Doohan and Rossi and Hayden and probably Stoner. Stoner was pretty open, for him, about Ducati's inability to listen to his advice when he was there. HRC may be doing the same thing to Marquez. We just don't know because he can ride around about anything, but trouble with Rossi. :p
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Honda offered Stoner 15 million to stay one more year and he turned them down. I think they have learned that without the right rider a bike ain’t nothing.This was before they changed the rookie rule which allowed Marquez to take his seat.
 
So what happens if Ducati fail to reach a deal with Dovi, and Lorenzo goes to Suzuki? will the Pramac riders get the promotion, or will Ducati look outside of their ranks?
 
Hollywood said:
So what happens if Ducati fail to reach a deal with Dovi, and Lorenzo goes to Suzuki? will the Pramac riders get the promotion, or will Ducati look outside of their ranks?
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Think they have more choice than just those 2, how many other Ducati's are there on track?
 
povol said:
Honda offered Stoner 15 million to stay one more year and he turned them down. I think they have learned that without the right rider a bike ain’t nothing.This was before they changed the rookie rule which allowed Marquez to take his seat.
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I thought it was 12, but it doesn't matter. I had to say "maybe Stoner" to help make the punchline work, "except Rossi". HRC didn't seem to listen to him after he stopped racing and was the "development rider". That is why he ended up back at Ducati to do testing. MotoGP certainly can be strange at times. Many things Stoner are odd, in hindsight.
 
Dovi had a fairly mediocre run at HRC before. Would HRC truly be courting him? Mind you even Stoner wanted him kept when he went to HRC.

Dovi looks a more mature rider since then


Thats a hard one to judge.
 
Iamapony said:
I thought it was 12, but it doesn't matter. I had to say "maybe Stoner" to help make the punchline work, "except Rossi". HRC didn't seem to listen to him after he stopped racing and was the "development rider". That is why he ended up back at Ducati to do testing. MotoGP certainly can be strange at times. Many things Stoner are odd, in hindsight.
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I think at the time the offer was just touted as "the highest amount ever offered in motogp" and since rossi was on 12 folks assumed that it was "more than 12".
 
Theo said:
Think they have more choice than just those 2, how many other Ducati's are there on track?
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Only 2 riders have won more than a single race on a Ducati in the last 12 seasons. Letting the first of those riders go didn’t work out so well for them. Any assumption that there are riders available capable of replacing what Dovi has given to Ducati is just that, an assumption, and rather a large one imo.
 
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Iamapony said:
I thought it was 12, but it doesn't matter. I had to say "maybe Stoner" to help make the punchline work, "except Rossi". HRC didn't seem to listen to him after he stopped racing and was the "development rider". That is why he ended up back at Ducati to do testing. MotoGP certainly can be strange at times. Many things Stoner are odd, in hindsight.
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Certainly was hard to work out what was going on from his public pronouncements. It is always possible Honda wanted him for the declared purpose, to be a test rider able to give feedback on how the bike worked at close to race pace. I can understand MM and/or his camp not wanting MM’s predecessor as the number 1 rider hanging around early on before he well and truly surpassed Stoner, and perhaps HRC didn’t believe his retirement was definitely permanent, in which case they may have wanted to keep him in the loop with them and away from others.

In the end I think he was peeved about them not letting him replace the injured Dani (which wasn’t reasonable imo), and then by the accident in the Suzuka race in which he sustained multiple fractures and in regard to which Honda initially denied the throttle had stuck, concerning which it was reasonable to be peeved..
 
povol said:
Honda offered Stoner 15 million to stay one more year and he turned them down. I think they have learned that without the right rider a bike ain’t nothing.This was before they changed the rookie rule which allowed Marquez to take his seat.
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Kinda puts a hole in these guys just chasing the money, eh Pov?

It's easy for me to sit here and say Zarco ...... up going to KTM chasing the paycheck. I don’t think it will ever be reliability public knowledge, but I sure would like to know what HRC's offer was compared to KTM. I think Zarco only has this year left to ever become a legitimate race winner. And let's be honest, if Yamaha's support was no existent up to this point, im sure it's now at a stage where they've all but abandoned the project all together.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
Hollywood said:
So what happens if Ducati fail to reach a deal with Dovi, and Lorenzo goes to Suzuki? will the Pramac riders get the promotion, or will Ducati look outside of their ranks?
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Make no mistake, Dovi will be signed. What his agent is doing is the same .... Lorenzo's, Rossi's, and most laughably Cuntslow's agents did to increase the paycheck. Pretending publicly they got options, raise the spector, then cash in when the factory blinks. Neither really want to go nuclear option. Dovi is as good as signed, it's just a matter of number now. Lorenzo is making it easy for Dovi's agent.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
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michaelm said:
Only 2 riders have won more than a single race on a Ducati in the last 12 seasons. Letting the first of those riders go didn’t work out so well for them. Any assumption that there are riders available capable of replacing what Dovi has given to Ducati is just that, an assumption, and rather a large one imo.
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Agree. Dovi came within a Lorenzo's map 8 and a rescinded contract by the laws of physics Marc crash, to win the title for Ducati. I don’t think they've forgot just yet the Valencia race and what it could have meant for the factory. They have a real gentlemen in Dovi, smart enough to beat Marc to start the season. Sure Duc has looked poor the last two races, then again there is no doubt in my mind Ducati should have scored the second win of the season at Argentina, albiet on a satellite. That was until Race Direction decided to wag the dog and kowtow to mob rule by intervening and effectively taking a win away from Jack Miller. If we could go back, and had RD used the delay to simply hammer the point, ok look guys, this was your choice, if you .... up the pit lane exit in the least, expect an immediate disqualification, we're not ....... around, we're not gonna bail you out! Make the slightest contact, we're deploying the black flag. I'm thinking they exit in an orderly fashion, or .... them, DQ them in mass, in my mind Marc comes runner up to a historic Miller time win.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
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McZee said:
I don't have a beef with Horhay and it is a shame to see him like this, but those are wise words, Old Bean.
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I wonder if Jorge expected rossi to retire during his Ducati stint and then go back to Yamaha. Backfired if that was the case
Unless he ends up at HRC.

And I dont think HRC would have any problems at all having 2 competitive riders. They still probably look on the Doohan/Criville era with great affection.
 
Jumkie said:
Agree. Dovi came within a Lorenzo's map 8 and a rescinded contract by the laws of physics Marc crash, to win the title for Ducati.
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Maybe my memory is faulty but didn't he need to win that race to become a champion? even without J-Lo cockblocking him, he didn't have the pace for the victory
 
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MichaelBolton said:
Maybe my memory is faulty but didn't he need to win that race to become a champion? even without J-Lo cockblocking him, he didn't have the pace for the victory
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MM needed to crash out of the race in addition, which he went quite close to doing. I tend to agree with hypotheses at the time that he was at more risk of crashing out riding conservatively than in his usual manner.
 
If there really is a serious offer to Dovi from Honda, Ducati needs to get it's ... in gear and meet his price. With Zarco off to KTM, and the Ducati, showing no improvement over last year, I don't see that Ducati have a lot of better options. If Honda were to guarantee Dovi equal equipment... wow what a show.
 
What I don't understand (and maybe I am over simplifying things), but, if you're Ducati, you have a rider that came close to the title last year and is currently leading the championship, he's the only guy since Casey who can win consistently on the bike, you could (probably) sign him for half the wages of your other rider, then why mess around?
Do you think they are still treating him as if he's 2016 Dovi?

Edited to add that he is the only guy who, in the last year and the entire field, can regularly take it to Marc and, as the icing on the cake, is an Italian on an Italian bike!
 
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MichaelBolton said:
Maybe my memory is faulty but didn't he need to win that race to become a champion? even without J-Lo cockblocking him, he didn't have the pace for the victory
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Yes, but never underestimate the mind once the opportunity presents itself. It looked bleak, but a Marc DNF could have changed the parallels of the universe. Long shot, then again, who would have ever imagined Valencia 06? Seriously, think back, the title was done and dusted, VR on pole with points in the bag. Stranger things have happened.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 

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