Donington

i dont think ive ever slagged dani off big style, i once said id like to c him handle the big bike, well now i have, its easy to c that hes gunna win races, this year and more next, id like to say wot i feel but its gone past the point in this argument.. the thing i would say is a boy so small mANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN HE DOES WELL..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jul 4 2006, 01:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner himself really annoys me. Everything he says seems to be arrogant, self centered ........ to me. I can admit he`s a talented rider, but he`s got a lot of growing up to do before I find him tolerable. Hum, it is obvious that you have been exposed to the Stonermania and didn't enjoy the experience. I have nil references of his personality, but the cliche is true about most of them being a bunch of egocentric half-cooked Big Brother look-alikes. I just saw his brilliant rides last season in 250 cc, his stunning races in MotoGP and little else apart from the usual waving to the camera from the pit.

Many people thought that Stoner should have stayed in 250 cc and he was lucky to find a last-minute Honda ride but he is making Cecchinello and his sponsors happy beyond any reasonable expectations. He reminds me of Rossi during his first year in 500 cc, crashing a number of times out of sheer anxiety to go faster. Yes, he will mature, but he won't leave 'arrogant, self centered ........' behind; it is very much what is needed in his business

Man..................even this weeks MCN has an article about dani's personality and called him Pedrobot.....

He was quoted as saying "its very difficult to have friends in the paddock".

I just think he's totally and utterly focussed on the job at hand.

Rossi is very good psychologically - very good..........and this plays a HUGE part in modern sport today. I really think thats why Sete crumbled last season, coz he sucommed to Rossi's mind games. I guess Dani is putting the blinkers on - he's focussed. Hell - he's got a great chance to come out of this season as the 2006 champion.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Aston @ Jul 5 2006, 04:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My opinion? Pedrosa is :

A rookie

Why why why would ANYONE say that Pedrosa is on Rossi's Level...? What are you guys under the whole MotoGP.com hype where they make this fake rivalry between pedrosa and Rossi?

OK, Lets get real.

Pedrosa has won 2 races, and has had 2 poles 5 podiums and 0 MotoGP Championship wins... understandable right? cause it is his first season , Oh and lets not forget hes on a bike that rossi HIMSELF developed.... the RCV211v basically hes on one of the most advanced machines in MotoGP racing today... how could he NOT be winning? What does Pedrosa do besides blame the bike or his team?

Compare that to Rossi who has had 7 championship wins 5 CONSECUTIVE MotoGP wins (including 500cc), 31 Pole Positions second to Mick Doohans 58 pole positions, 85 Podium finishes third to Mick Doohan (95) and Giacomo (88), and a Total of 56 MotoGP wins Second to Giacomo Agostini and to add, hes only been racing in 500cc/MotoGP for 6 Years. AND, He has developed two bikes including his M1. He has Broken Countless records and continues to break records that make Pedrosa look like he just jumped out of his Amniotic Sack.

Rossi is a true champ.

Pedrosa will pass on like Kenny Roberts Jr.

Donington was a great race. Rossi Celebrated like that because he knows thats what his home crowd wants. they WANT to see his crazy wheeles, they WANT to see his awsome burnouts..

A true champ is one who deals with the people

Pedrosa does not do that, He seems like an arrogant little pissant who thinks he is the best thing since corn flakes.

Honestly, in 20 years.. who will people remember?

Welcome to the site.

I think the comparisoms are being made because they have similar career paths - dont forget that Dani is already a world champion!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Katt @ Jul 5 2006, 04:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>there is an ignore user button in here somewhere ..... but how does it work? and what does it 'ignore'?

If people feel the need to use the ignore button - then this site is on a slippery slope to the bottom Katt

I'd rather that debates are kept constructive and if members feel that a post is crossing the line, then hit the report to moderator button where Daz & Ooost will review the content.

The ignore button can be found when you click on a member - prfoile options - ignore. This basically doesnt show that members posts in the forum - as if they dont exist.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Aston @ Jul 5 2006, 02:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My opinion? Pedrosa is :

A rookie

Why why why would ANYONE say that Pedrosa is on Rossi's Level...? What are you guys under the whole MotoGP.com hype where they make this fake rivalry between pedrosa and Rossi?

OK, Lets get real.

Pedrosa has won 2 races, and has had 2 poles 5 podiums and 0 MotoGP Championship wins... understandable right? cause it is his first season , Oh and lets not forget hes on a bike that rossi HIMSELF developed.... the RCV211v basically hes on one of the most advanced machines in MotoGP racing today... how could he NOT be winning? What does Pedrosa do besides blame the bike or his team?

Compare that to Rossi who has had 7 championship wins 5 CONSECUTIVE MotoGP wins (including 500cc), 31 Pole Positions second to Mick Doohans 58 pole positions, 85 Podium finishes third to Mick Doohan (95) and Giacomo (88), and a Total of 56 MotoGP wins Second to Giacomo Agostini and to add, hes only been racing in 500cc/MotoGP for 6 Years. AND, He has developed two bikes including his M1. He has Broken Countless records and continues to break records that make Pedrosa look like he just jumped out of his Amniotic Sack.

Rossi is a true champ.

Pedrosa will pass on like Kenny Roberts Jr.

Donington was a great race. Rossi Celebrated like that because he knows thats what his home crowd wants. they WANT to see his crazy wheeles, they WANT to see his awsome burnouts..

A true champ is one who deals with the people

Pedrosa does not do that, He seems like an arrogant little pissant who thinks he is the best thing since corn flakes.

Honestly, in 20 years.. who will people remember?

You gotta respect Pedrosa for what he`s done though. Sure he hasn`t been a world champ 5 times in the premier class, but he hasn`t had that oppourtunity. He won the 250 championship in his rookie year, somthing that not even Rossi did. Sure, Rossi is currently better, but that dosen`t make Pedrosa crap. I think if you look at the records, as a Rossi fan you might be a little scared and surprised when you compare where Rossi was when he was at the point Pedrosa is at now. How about a bit more respect for the guy? I mean, honestly, comparing his track record to Rossi`s when Rossi has had more than half a decade in the premier class and Pedrosa`s had less than a year? Come on. You may very well be eating your words in a years time. Respect Dani. He`s fixing to be a real threat to your beloved Rossi in years to come.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jul 5 2006, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think if you look at the records, as a Rossi fan you might be a little scared and surprised when you compare where Rossi was when he was at the point Pedrosa is at now.
Rossi didn't crash as many bikes during races as the legend goes. It is arguably a futile exercise (2 stroke 500 cc, Mick Doohan off the scene, Alex Criville in free fall...) but entertaining anyway:
SAF ret Rossi's debut ended with a crash on lap 13 after setting the fastest lap of the race while battling through the field from a bad start.
MAL ret Crashed out on lap four while in second place.
JAP 11 First points with a cautious ride to eleventh place.
SPA 3
FRA 3
ITA 12
CAT 3
DUT 6
BRI 1 wet race!
GER 2
CZE 2
POR 3
VAL ret
BRA 1
PAC 2
AUS 3
He finished 2nd in the championship. He rode a factory NSR500 by Jeremy Burguess at HRC paid by Repsol, I think.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Aston @ Jul 4 2006, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh and lets not forget hes on a bike that rossi HIMSELF developed.... the RCV211v basically hes on one of the most advanced machines in MotoGP racing today... how could he NOT be winning? What does Pedrosa do besides blame the bike or his team?

Compare that to Rossi who has had 7 championship wins 5 CONSECUTIVE MotoGP wins (including 500cc), 31 Pole Positions second to Mick Doohans 58 pole positions, 85 Podium finishes third to Mick Doohan (95) and Giacomo (88), and a Total of 56 MotoGP wins Second to Giacomo Agostini and to add, hes only been racing in 500cc/MotoGP for 6 Years. AND, He has developed two bikes including his M1. He has Broken Countless records and continues to break records that make Pedrosa look like he just jumped out of his Amniotic Sack.

Donington was a great race. Rossi Celebrated like that because he knows thats what his home crowd wants. they WANT to see his crazy wheeles, they WANT to see his awsome burnouts..

A true champ is one who deals with the people

Pedrosa does not do that, He seems like an arrogant little pissant who thinks he is the best thing since corn flakes.

Honestly, in 20 years.. who will people remember?
I'm going to handle these as they come in order.

Yes, Pedrosa is riding the Honda RC211V which was originally ridden by Valentino Rossi. No, Valentino Rossi did not develop the bike all by himself. Do you think he had the time to put the thing together while winning a championship in 2001? HRC is the reason that bike is so successful. I would be foolish to say that Rossi didn't have a big hand in making the success out of it that it has been. By the same token, this is the 2006 model. The last spec RCV Rossi has seen had silencers on it. I doubt there is much, if anything, left aboard the RCV that Rossi had a hand in developing. I would be willing to bet that most of Nicky's 'Evo' RC211V is full of components Rossi has never seen before.

Comparing Rossi's 500cc/MotoGP career accomplishments to Pedrosa's MotoGP career accomplishments is ridiculous. Dani Pedrosa has been racing in the premier class for less than four months, Rossi for six years. There is no comparison at this point in Pedrosa's career. The only comparison that can logically be made is their 125cc and 250cc careers. Pedrosa won the 125cc title in 2003, 250cc title in 2004 on his first attempt and repeated in 2005. That's three support class titles in three years compared to Rossi's two in four years. Pedrosa holds the edge there so that is why you see a comparison between the two.

The fans who come to watch MotoGP races are not just Valentino Rossi fans. I know this because I have been to a GP and plan to attend another this season and I won't be cheering for Valentino Rossi. That being said, sure, Rossi was playing up to his fans and giving them what they want to see. But how about letting Dani have his moment in the sun rather than blocking out that sun with smoky burnouts? Talk about arrogance...

It's funny how Pedrosa's reserved personality has been claimed rude and arrogant as of late.

You might be right, in 20 years we might have forgotten all about Pedrosa and will regard Rossi as the greatest of his generation. But it's equally likely that Pedrosa will be just as remembered as Rossi. It's all subjective until each of their careers finish.

Although I'm not a big Pedrosa fan I have to say.....Damnnnnn that boy was fast this weekend. Even though my boy Hayden wasn't up there I still enjoyed watching Val and Melandri duke it out at the end.

I guess in a little defense to the king of the lollipop guild I have to say, Personality doesn't make you go any faster. If that were true I would quit my day job and start racing.

Cheeeers
-Crazy

Hi. Just a few words.

Could we now, like, lock this topic?

I mean, no offense to anyone, but everything that needs to be said has been said. Everyone has voiced their opinions. Everyone has stood their grounds. Everything about Rossi and Pedrosa has been said. And I think these are enough.

Really, do we need to drag this topic until some time later?

But hey, if you plan to continue... be my guest.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Jul 6 2006, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm going to handle these as they come in order.

Yes, Pedrosa is riding the Honda RC211V which was originally ridden by Valentino Rossi. No, Valentino Rossi did not develop the bike all by himself. Do you think he had the time to put the thing together while winning a championship in 2001? HRC is the reason that bike is so successful. I would be foolish to say that Rossi didn't have a big hand in making the success out of it that it has been. By the same token, this is the 2006 model. The last spec RCV Rossi has seen had silencers on it. I doubt there is much, if anything, left aboard the RCV that Rossi had a hand in developing. I would be willing to bet that most of Nicky's 'Evo' RC211V is full of components Rossi has never seen before.

Comparing Rossi's 500cc/MotoGP career accomplishments to Pedrosa's MotoGP career accomplishments is ridiculous. Dani Pedrosa has been racing in the premier class for less than four months, Rossi for six years. There is no comparison at this point in Pedrosa's career. The only comparison that can logically be made is their 125cc and 250cc careers. Pedrosa won the 125cc title in 2003, 250cc title in 2004 on his first attempt and repeated in 2005. That's three support class titles in three years compared to Rossi's two in four years. Pedrosa holds the edge there so that is why you see a comparison between the two.

The fans who come to watch MotoGP races are not just Valentino Rossi fans. I know this because I have been to a GP and plan to attend another this season and I won't be cheering for Valentino Rossi. That being said, sure, Rossi was playing up to his fans and giving them what they want to see. But how about letting Dani have his moment in the sun rather than blocking out that sun with smoky burnouts? Talk about arrogance...

It's funny how Pedrosa's reserved personality has been claimed rude and arrogant as of late.

You might be right, in 20 years we might have forgotten all about Pedrosa and will regard Rossi as the greatest of his generation. But it's equally likely that Pedrosa will be just as remembered as Rossi. It's all subjective until each of their careers finish.

Agree 110% Ooost, great points as usual.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Crazyc @ Jul 6 2006, 12:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I guess in a little defense to the king of the lollipop guild I have to say, Personality doesn't make you go any faster. If that were true I would quit my day job and start racing.

I`d be cheering for ya

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jul 6 2006, 11:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agree 110% Ooost, great points as usual.

Agree 210% Ooost

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jul 5 2006, 10:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agree 110% Ooost, great points as usual.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ros @ Jul 6 2006, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agree 210% Ooost
Thanks.

One thing I`ve been thinking about Pedrosa. He could potentially be one of the strongest riders on the grid, mentally. I mean, the pressure he`s under is no secret, yet he`s still doing really well. Talk about grace under pressure. Another point, everyone knows that emotionally, Dani dosen`t let much out. Perhaps that could mean that he`s not letting much in either. This is really just a theory at the moment based on a few loose facts, but I think Pedrosa might just become the first rider to be impervious to Rossi`s mind games, giving him a big advantage and making life harder for the doc. Maybe Honda realized this, and are using it as part of their anti-Rossi battle plan. They bend the MSMA to changing the rules for slower, heavier bikes, knowing full well they`re the only factory with the recourses to build a competitive 3 cylinder, thus giving them the advantage of less weight when everyone else either stays the same weight or has to put on a few kilos. Combine that with their mini monster who is a master of smaller bikes, and with his seemingly impervious mind, he might just beat Rossi. I reckon that`s what HRC are thinking anyway.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I'm going to handle these as they come in order.

Yes, Pedrosa is riding the Honda RC211V which was originally ridden by Valentino Rossi. No, Valentino Rossi did not develop the bike all by himself. Do you think he had the time to put the thing together while winning a championship in 2001? HRC is the reason that bike is so successful. I would be foolish to say that Rossi didn't have a big hand in making the success out of it that it has been. By the same token, this is the 2006 model. The last spec RCV Rossi has seen had silencers on it. I doubt there is much, if anything, left aboard the RCV that Rossi had a hand in developing. I would be willing to bet that most of Nicky's 'Evo' RC211V is full of components Rossi has never seen before.

Comparing Rossi's 500cc/MotoGP career accomplishments to Pedrosa's MotoGP career accomplishments is ridiculous. Dani Pedrosa has been racing in the premier class for less than four months, Rossi for six years. There is no comparison at this point in Pedrosa's career. The only comparison that can logically be made is their 125cc and 250cc careers. Pedrosa won the 125cc title in 2003, 250cc title in 2004 on his first attempt and repeated in 2005. That's three support class titles in three years compared to Rossi's two in four years. Pedrosa holds the edge there so that is why you see a comparison between the two.

The fans who come to watch MotoGP races are not just Valentino Rossi fans. I know this because I have been to a GP and plan to attend another this season and I won't be cheering for Valentino Rossi. That being said, sure, Rossi was playing up to his fans and giving them what they want to see. But how about letting Dani have his moment in the sun rather than blocking out that sun with smoky burnouts? Talk about arrogance...

It's funny how Pedrosa's reserved personality has been claimed rude and arrogant as of late.

You might be right, in 20 years we might have forgotten all about Pedrosa and will regard Rossi as the greatest of his generation. But it's equally likely that Pedrosa will be just as remembered as Rossi. It's all subjective until each of their careers finish.

Exactly... Then why should MotoGP.com, Or anyone for that matter, say that Dani pedrosa is on Rossi's level? The topic shouldn't even be a thought, BECAUSE Dani is a rookie. I believe that You just proved my point. Thanks.

But bottom line, Pedrosa will accomplish nothing compared to what rossi has accomplished. As long as Rossi is still riding, Pedrosa will only be second best.. if that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Agree 110% Ooost, great points as usual.
Why don't you hop off his balls?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Agree 210% Ooost

You too.

Sorry this caught my eye:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I know this because I have been to a GP and plan to attend another this season and I won't be cheering for Valentino Rossi. That being said, sure, Rossi was playing up to his fans and giving them what they want to see.

So just because you where at 1 GP then you automatically know how everyone feels and who everone cheers for? How about Mugello? how do you know they weren't cheering for rossi? Where you there?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>But how about letting Dani have his moment in the sun rather than blocking out that sun with smoky burnouts? Talk about arrogance...

Any real motorcycle rider/fan knows, that a smoke show is a real way to celebrate. Plus, who doesn't like the smell of burned rubber? If Dani had any feelings then he would have celebrated too.

Now you may lock the topic.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Aston @ Jul 7 2006, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why don't you hop off his balls?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Aston @ Jul 7 2006, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You too.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Aston @ Jul 7 2006, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So just because you where at 1 GP then you automatically know how everyone feels and who everone cheers for? How about Mugello? how do you know they weren't cheering for rossi? Where you there?

Why Don`t YOU Sod off? All I`ve seen you post so far is a harsh attack on Dani, then coming back with all this crap deliberately antagonising other members. If you look at the top of all the subforums you`ll se a fresh annoucement from Ben, the guy who runs this site, about RESPECT. If you can`t respect other peoples opinions then you can piss off.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Why Don`t YOU Sod off? mad.gif All I`ve seen you post so far is a harsh attack on Dani, then coming back with all this crap deliberately antagonising other members. If you look at the top of all the subforums you`ll se a fresh annoucement from Ben, the guy who runs this site, about RESPECT. If you can`t respect other peoples opinions then you can piss off.

Excuse me? Looks like someone isn't respecting MY opinions... "Richo" I honestly could care less about "authority" Ben has a "problem" with my Opinions then he wouldn't really be following his own rules now would he?

Sorry Pal.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Aston @ Jul 7 2006, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Excuse me? Looks like someone isn't respecting MY opinions... "Richo" I honestly could care less about "authority" Ben has a "problem" with my Opinions then he wouldn't really be following his own rules now would he?

Sorry Pal.

I aint talking about your opinions, everyones got em, and if they were all the same, the world would be boring as, but there`s a difference between rationally voicing your opinions and just disrespecting people

That all got very nasty didn't it!! I just can't wait to see Rossi and Pedrosa in a head to head battle. See if he can block out Rossi's mind games. I like them both and just enjoy watching them do what they do!! Bring on Germany!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Aston @ Jul 7 2006, 01:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But bottom line, Pedrosa will accomplish nothing compared to what rossi has accomplished. As long as Rossi is still riding, Pedrosa will only be second best.. if that.
Why don't you hop off his balls?

whats your problem?? hop off his balls? ..... ooost is a respected memeber of this forum. pedrosa will accoplish nothing compared to rossi? and jsut how the .... can you say that after one season where dani has proved himself to be an exceptional rider at the highest level?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Aston @ Jul 7 2006, 02:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Excuse me? Looks like someone isn't respecting MY opinions... "Richo" I honestly could care less about "authority" Ben has a "problem" with my Opinions then he wouldn't really be following his own rules now would he?

Sorry Pal.

if ben has a problem he'll just change your name to 'i'm a .... stirring little .....'

there's posting opinions which no one has a problem with and then there having a go at people on the forum which we do have a problem with

hey wots going on ere? when i tell alex to shut up i get told to chill hey richo ? but now ur at it.. doulble standards lads

chillllllllllllllllllllllllllllll outttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossi 46 winner @ Jul 7 2006, 08:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hey wots going on ere? when i tell alex to shut up i get told to chill hey richo ? but now ur at it.. doulble standards lads

its not double standards really rossi 46. would you join a forum and have your 1st posts be having a go at people?

and you said to alex 'i hope we dont meet' or something like that.. a bit off when you consider he's a 14 yr old boy