Coup d'état--CEV Repsol to FIM: DORNA's Monopoly of sport COMPLETE!

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The Spanish CEV Repsol series, (which was already the sole de facto force feeder for GP) is now officially the sole provider of Moto3/2 and MotoGP hopefuls. This coup by DORNA "the Party" represents the final step of artificially elevating the prestige of the Spanish Series, and the fulfillment and consummation of a forced seizure from top to bottom of the entire sport; and with it the end of a previous relevance for WSBK, AMA, and BSB and any other national roadracing series that has historically provided MotoGP riders and champions. Make no mistake, this is the shrewdest corporate maneuver thus far; in effect, the achievement of totalitarian monitoring and control of the sport; if one is to ever become a MotoGP champion, one must submit to the prescribed Dorna controlled route, that starting with the Spanish series, the lower categories and ending with MotoGP. The total control of international roadracing by Dorna is complete!
Dorna CEO Carmelo Ezpeleta commented: “I am very pleased about the new stage that awaits the CEV Repsol. That this championship is open internationally and now comes under the scope of the FIM means that all the work done in previous years has clearly helped to strengthen this championship and will ensure that it continues nurturing great riders that can make it into all three MotoGP World Championship categories.”
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Moto1984
 
Wake up dude.  MotoGP's been dead for the past few years now.  I'd say the time when Suzuki and Kawasaki left was the end.


 


No more of those nice array of colors depicting their respective teams going through a chicane like a lucid acid trip of a rollercoaster ride, right on the edges of it's tracks or perhaps a dragon with shimmering scales....... flowing, twisting and turning in the clouds high above!  Oh how I miss those days.  sigh
 
Jumkie
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The Spanish CEV Repsol series, (which was already the sole de facto force feeder for GP) is now officially the sole provider of Moto3/2 and MotoGP hopefuls.  This coup represents the final step of artificially elevating the prestige of the Spanish Series, and the fulfillment and consummation of a forced seizure from top to bottom of the entire sport; and with it the end of relevance for WSBK, AMA, and BSB and any other national roadracing series that has historically provided MotoGP riders and champions.  Make no mistake, this is shrewdest corporate maneuver yet; in effect, if one is to ever become a MotoGP champion, one must submit to the prescribed Dorna controlled route, that being the Spanish series.  The total control of international roadracing by Dorna is complete!


 


 


 


Moto1984
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Where does it say the riders can only come from the CEV Repsol series, and what if those bikes happen to be the best way to step up to motogp. You aren't going to go race in the AMA if your goal is to become a GP champion, just like you aren't going to go play college football in Canada if your goal is to be drafted into the NFL. This seems like a minor league international series for GP and it may have been the best option considering the riders it's produced. This makes complete and perfect sense, you need to go read an interview from Nicky were he states why and how Americans were able to burst onto the scenes of GP racing and why that's gone away, you can't blame Dorna for the technology that's been evolving these bikes, there needs to be a logical route into GP racing. 
 
<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana;font-size:small;Q: Nicky, when I first started covering Grand Prix, which was a long time ago, the Italians and the British were the guys to beat. And then came the Americans. The guys you grew up watching, the guys from '78 through Kevin Schwantz and then you and Junior (Kenny Roberts Jr.) each had sporadic titles in there. The Spanish TV stations that I would for would consider a good day if all three riders on all three classes on podium finishes. And that certainly is possible going into this next season. Where did America start to fall behind and what does the United States needs to do to get Americans back on the podium again?
<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana;font-size:small;HAYDEN: Well, it is true. Definitely the Spanish on some days, the amount of podiums would take home were incredible. You would probably know better than me where things went off track in the early 80s and the 90s when all the dirt trackers made the transitions to 500. They were really suited to those with the amount of power and their sliding which I think dirt track was the best training for that. Where now the sport has changed a lot and with the electronics and tires, the way the four strokes are ridden. In Spain, I would say the main thing they are doing so good is starting the kids so young. It doesn't matter if you are golfing, riding motorcycles or want to be a cook. It is a young man's game. The younger you start, the better you are. I see it in Italy but mainly in Spain. These academies and schools where they are starting these kids on road racing on real bikes and real competition at a young age. If American wants to catch up, that is what America is going to have to do. The age limit in America is a little different. It makes it a little bit harder, and it is a bit later to get on a bigger bike. We need to follow those next steps and get some kids in a competitive series earlier, like the Rookies Cup in Europe and it has certainly helped start young riders and these academies.
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The Asian shell advance championship will also be a feeder for motogp series.
There used to be a red Bull series here that was a feeder too.
It's not all about the Spanish
Time to remove the tin foil hat
 
Jumkie
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The Spanish CEV Repsol series, (which was already the sole de facto force feeder for GP) is now officially the sole provider of Moto3/2 and MotoGP hopefuls. This coup by DORNA "the Party" represents the final step of artificially elevating the prestige of the Spanish Series, and the fulfillment and consummation of a forced seizure from top to bottom of the entire sport; and with it the end of a previous relevance for WSBK, AMA, and BSB and any other national roadracing series that has historically provided MotoGP riders and champions. Make no mistake, this is the shrewdest corporate maneuver thus far; in effect, the achievement of totalitarian monitoring and control of the sport; if one is to ever become a MotoGP champion, one must submit to the prescribed Dorna controlled route, that starting with the Spanish series, the lower categories and ending with MotoGP. The total control of international roadracing by Dorna is comp

Moto1984
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0t6HmDknR4


 


Maybe the DMG is part of the conspiracy as well....keeping all those Alien american riders down and off TV so they dont take over the world..... :rolleyes:
 
Well, if we take it as (Jumkie) given that the Gagnes, Beaubiers, et al are as good as anyone going into or coming out of CEV and hence equivalent in talent to anyone in MotoGP/2/3....why don't we all give up on MotoGP/2/3 and just tune into AMA?


Dorna shenanigans solved and we'll be watching the same level of talent. No stupid ECU rules, no Iberian fixes, No Bridgestones...I'm surprised Stoner hasn't given Dunlop V8s the finger and ...... off over there....
 
You think the orginzers of the BSB are happy about this?  


What happens to the BSB, AMA, and others like them?   What happens to WSBK?  Good questions to be pondered.
 
I don't blame Dorna, I blame all the other countries who don't have a GP feeder class, the UK have been guilty of this for years, the pattern is supersport and superbikes and if you are good enough then WSB, in the UK we have focussed on WSB instead of GP as have many others, this is because of economics, superbikes are cheap and easy to build in comparison, the Japanese used to have a 500 championship and that was used to get into GPs, other countries could/ would not afford to do this so they became superbike focussed, the CEV-Repsol series is international and open to all, so if you want to try and get into GPs get off your arse and race in it rather than racing in a domestic championship, Dorna have become a racing dictatorship no doubt, but what else do we have? I would rather have Dorna giving riders a dedicated avenue to GPs than every other country doing nothing then complaining that they can't get their riders in, the other angle to look at is that the organisers of domestic series and the home governing body (ACU) in the UK do their best to keep their best riders in their championship so they create revenue within their series. Dorna gives a dedicated rout and people complain, if the young brits, yanks etc are good enough then go and do it.
 
<span style="font-family:Arial, 'sans-serif';color:#222222;font-size:10.5pt;Good points deal, I honestly see this as the death blow to production based racing around the world.  I think it's safe to say every riders goal is to make it to GP and now CEV Repsol will give them that opportunity.  With limited cash and sponsors out there,  it's my opinion the domestic series will fade into oblivion along with it WSBK.
 
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<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial, 'sans-serif';font-size:10.5pt;Good points deal, I honestly see this as the death blow to production based racing around the world.  I think it's safe to say every riders goal is to make it to GP and now CEV Repsol will give them that opportunity.  With limited cash and sponsors out there,  it's my opinion the domestic series will fade into oblivion along with it WSBK.
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I am not convinced buddy, if WSB gets the same set of rules as BSB it will become cheaper for independent teams to compete at world level, and then the series will grow again, I may be wrong but I think this is the only way for it to survive, supersport rules are pretty uniform and it is the biggest class so no reason WSB could not go down that route, factory teams price privateers out and this is the main problem.
 
I hope your right.  Maybe if each domestic series could agree on rules and classes for production based bikes, we could get match races again!  Now that would be cool.


I don't want to come off sounding like I’m against the Repsol CEV, I believe it will provide a great opportunity for riders around the world to get into GP.   I’m really curious about everyone’s opinion on this announcement.
 
With the exception of the Britain and Ireland, motorcycle racing has fallen off the face of the earth in most national markets, and the sportbike segment is doing the same. Furthermore, the national series have been unable to homogenize rulebooks to keep costs down and allow wildcard entry from other series.


 


Continental series, rather than national series, solve many problems. They increases the television market, but keeps the market confined to a few timezones. They increase sponsor exposure. They creates one rulebook for many series. They contain nationalism. Unless the FIM plays favorites between BSB and CEV, rather than letting them compete, I don't see any reason to allege conspiracy. I don't remember anyone complaining when BSB started running events in the Netherlands.


 


Hopefully, this will be a shock to the system, and people will move towards rules that work. If Ezpeleta has learned anything in life, it is amazing what political compromises can be accomplished in motorcycle racing when people are threatened with the nuclear option. To be frank, racing is run by some of the dumbest business people I've ever observed. Since racing is one of the most complex businesses on earth, the dearth of intelligence is problematic. DMG are particularly slow-witted. I don't care if Dorna prod all of the national series with a hot poker.
 
Dear Flunkie,


 


As far as conspiracy theories go you are completely misguided in your assertions that this is DORNAs plan to globally monopolise two wheeled motosport....they have in fact devised a far more sinister plan. This is the start of the colonisation and enslavement of the human race....our planet is under seige and this is stage one of a worldwide "älien" invasion. Think about it....all the current "aliens" are indeed Spanish.....or did you miss that rather pertinent "fact".
 
It worth a visit to the Repsol CEV site to take a wander through the rules for the 4 classes involved.


I haven't (yet) bothered to do a comparison with the Moto2/3 and Superstock regulations, they do seem a little cut and paste from the FIM regs, but it will be interesting to see if they form a useful basis for other National/Domestic series. For example the Moto2 regulations allow any CBR600 engine from 2007-2013, so no need to purchase a spec engine from Circuit Aragon (or whoever it is that issues them)...
 
Dr No
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It worth a visit to the Repsol CEV site to take a wander through the rules for the 4 classes involved.


I haven't (yet) bothered to do a comparison with the Moto2/3 and Superstock regulations, they do seem a little cut and paste from the FIM regs, but it will be interesting to see if they form a useful basis for other National/Domestic series. For example the Moto2 regulations allow any CBR600 engine from 2007-2013, so no need to purchase a spec engine from Circuit Aragon (or whoever it is that issues them)...
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Trying to have uniform feeder classes for GP bike racing is a good idea in principle, imo. Having Dorna in charge of this as seems to be the case is not necessarily such a good idea, again imo.


 


The regulations/formula for the current premier class being fed is another question entirely, but hard to completely blame on Dorna.
 
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I am not convinced buddy, if WSB gets the same set of rules as BSB it will become cheaper for independent teams to compete at world level, and then the series will grow again, I may be wrong but I think this is the only way for it to survive, supersport rules are pretty uniform and it is the biggest class so no reason WSB could not go down that route, factory teams price privateers out and this is the main problem.
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If they go to supersport rules, they might as well move to 600cc. The battle for control of 1000cc Supersport rules has been raging for a half decade already, but the sanctioning bodies have made little progress. The manufacturers never agree with one another about the regs. The national series rarely agree with one another about the regs. The Dorna takeover of WSBK hasn't expidited the changes, either. The current 1000cc SBKs are essentially prototypes, and they should be shipped to GP along with the top riders, who belong in GP anyway. Plus, "smarting-up" the 600s a bit looks better than "dumbing-down" the 1000s, and dumbing down the 1000s only makes SBK look like an inferior version of GP, rather than a specialized discipline.


 


Regardless of the capacity, they need to create revenue streams for the manufacturers. The SBK rules burn through manufacturer resources. The Supersport rules generate nothing beyond a few hundred additional retail sales. If the FIM create a source of revenue with homologation specials, the manufacturers will desist with their short-sighted threats of withdrawal, and the problems will start to fix themselves.
 
L8Braker
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Lex, time to dust off the 750's!
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If the manufacturers are generating revenue, rather than draining their bank accounts, anything is possible.
 

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