With all this silly season rumours, the most interesting one has been reguarding Capirossi to Kawasaki. I know there all this talk that Kawasaki wants someone with experience to develop there bike but are they better off going with maybe a younger 250 rider???
I wouldnt hire him over hopkins, melandri or vermulen or maybe even elias. There are better options i think.
I think if Kawasaki run three bikes next year the team will consist of Hopkins, DePuniet and West..
Oh and I too think Capirossi is over the hill, give someone with some years ahead of them a go..
Oh and I too think Capirossi is over the hill, give someone with some years ahead of them a go..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (antfan @ Jul 8 2007, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think if Kawasaki run three bikes next year the team will consist of Hopkins, DePuniet and West..
Let's hope this is right and Westy can get the reults for the rest of the season. I have my fingers crossed for him.
Let's hope this is right and Westy can get the reults for the rest of the season. I have my fingers crossed for him.
There are a number of younger guys with a lot of experience on 4 strokes. Melandri and Hopkins were mentioned. Capirossi is a good rider but on the way out and someone I wouldn't consider a championship threat in the future. I say invest in a threat, if Pedrosa stays at Honda and Lorenzo is with Yamaha it tough to choose from whats left on the grid.
here we go again with the age thing.
why is is some of you think age is a factor in performance levels ?
if kawa are looking for a "development rider" which the topic starter said they were ,then a more experienced rider is what you need, not some young 250 rider who doesn't no one end of a spanner from another
why is is some of you think age is a factor in performance levels ?
if kawa are looking for a "development rider" which the topic starter said they were ,then a more experienced rider is what you need, not some young 250 rider who doesn't no one end of a spanner from another
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 8 2007, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>here we go again with the age thing.
why is is some of you think age is a factor in performance levels ?
if kawa are looking for a "development rider" which the topic starter said they were ,then a more experienced rider is what you need, not some young 250 rider who doesn't no one end of a spanner from another
Well look at how capirossi isn't getting on wit the 800, ask him to develop one he is comfortable with and it wont be any use in 2 years time when he retires and they want to bring a 250 rider onto it. So put the young guy on it now, build it around him as he gains experience, and in a few years time he will be ready to challange.
why is is some of you think age is a factor in performance levels ?
if kawa are looking for a "development rider" which the topic starter said they were ,then a more experienced rider is what you need, not some young 250 rider who doesn't no one end of a spanner from another
Well look at how capirossi isn't getting on wit the 800, ask him to develop one he is comfortable with and it wont be any use in 2 years time when he retires and they want to bring a 250 rider onto it. So put the young guy on it now, build it around him as he gains experience, and in a few years time he will be ready to challange.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2007, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well look at how capirossi isn't getting on wit the 800, ask him to develop one he is comfortable with and it wont be any use in 2 years time when he retires and they want to bring a 250 rider onto it. So put the young guy on it now, build it around him as he gains experience, and in a few years time he will be ready to challange.
how does this relate to age ?
i dont think they want to wait a FEW years mate for a youngster to gain experience when there are people like capi who already have it.
how does this relate to age ?
i dont think they want to wait a FEW years mate for a youngster to gain experience when there are people like capi who already have it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 8 2007, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>how does this relate to age ?
i dont think they want to wait a FEW years mate for a youngster to gain experience when there are people like capi who already have it.
The teams need to think about the present or the future, I doubt Capirossi will bring them the championship in the immediate future, so they need to think further ahead, and for that i think there are better options than Loris.
i dont think they want to wait a FEW years mate for a youngster to gain experience when there are people like capi who already have it.
The teams need to think about the present or the future, I doubt Capirossi will bring them the championship in the immediate future, so they need to think further ahead, and for that i think there are better options than Loris.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2007, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The teams need to think about the present or the future, I doubt Capirossi will bring them the championship in the immediate future, so they need to think further ahead, and for that i think there are better options than Loris.
well is a bit of a different roll being a development rider than a rider who is going for the championship, who do you think developed the bike stoner is winning on, father christmas ??
anyway ,you still have not answered my question, what has age got to do with performance ???
well is a bit of a different roll being a development rider than a rider who is going for the championship, who do you think developed the bike stoner is winning on, father christmas ??
anyway ,you still have not answered my question, what has age got to do with performance ???
I think Kawasaki should look beyond Capirossi at riders like Elias, Melandri or even De Angelis , H. Aoyama just to name a few.
Its not an age thing, i just think there's better opitions out there....
Its not an age thing, i just think there's better opitions out there....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (alex29 @ Jul 8 2007, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Kawasaki should look beyond Capirossi at riders like Elias, Melandri or even De Angelis , H. Aoyama just to name a few.
Its not an age thing, i just think there's better opitions out there....
then why say this
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>but are they better off going with maybe a younger 250 rider???
i see this ageism all the time here and it's bollocks, most older riders are at the top of there game.
Its not an age thing, i just think there's better opitions out there....
then why say this
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>but are they better off going with maybe a younger 250 rider???
i see this ageism all the time here and it's bollocks, most older riders are at the top of there game.
bollocks to age, have a look at what Bayliss did in SBK and his cameo in motogp last year. Like i said there are better options out there...........
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>not some young 250 rider who doesn't no one end of a spanner from another
Loved it.
Roger's right. Kawasaki have young riders. Either West or DePuniet or both will be there next year. So Capirossi won't win the championship, but he'll help West or DePuniet by developing the bike. You're all quick to condemn someone who's had a bit of a slow season, but he's got the kind of experience that you don't just discard like that. No offence to West or DePuniet, but they just can't set up and develop a bike to the same level that an experienced rider like Capirossi can. Like Roger said, it sure wasn't Stoner who developed Stoner's bike this year.
Loved it.
Roger's right. Kawasaki have young riders. Either West or DePuniet or both will be there next year. So Capirossi won't win the championship, but he'll help West or DePuniet by developing the bike. You're all quick to condemn someone who's had a bit of a slow season, but he's got the kind of experience that you don't just discard like that. No offence to West or DePuniet, but they just can't set up and develop a bike to the same level that an experienced rider like Capirossi can. Like Roger said, it sure wasn't Stoner who developed Stoner's bike this year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsraeliRacer @ Jul 8 2007, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
Loved it.
Roger's right. Kawasaki have young riders. Either West or DePuniet or both will be there next year. So Capirossi won't win the championship, but he'll help West or DePuniet by developing the bike. You're all quick to condemn someone who's had a bit of a slow season, but he's got the kind of experience that you don't just discard like that. No offence to West or DePuniet, but they just can't set up and develop a bike to the same level that an experienced rider like Capirossi can. Like Roger said, it sure wasn't Stoner who developed Stoner's bike this year.
spot on ir
Loved it.
Roger's right. Kawasaki have young riders. Either West or DePuniet or both will be there next year. So Capirossi won't win the championship, but he'll help West or DePuniet by developing the bike. You're all quick to condemn someone who's had a bit of a slow season, but he's got the kind of experience that you don't just discard like that. No offence to West or DePuniet, but they just can't set up and develop a bike to the same level that an experienced rider like Capirossi can. Like Roger said, it sure wasn't Stoner who developed Stoner's bike this year.
spot on ir
So Capirossi developed the Ducati? Wow its amazing he developed it and now can't ride it. He's a good rider, if Kawasaki are happy to have a rider 'develop' the bike on race weekends and not challenge for the title than so be it. Didn't they already try that?
This years Ducati has been developed my Guareschi and the other test rider, the Japanese bloke .. You could even say Sete Gibernau had a hand in its development.. Im sorry, but Capirossi's form this year is SO dissapointing, he doesnt deserve the chance to waste another seat in 08... If Stoner can be so dominant on the bike, why cant Loris? He's lost it, period..
Lost it, period?! Geez, a guy has seven slow races in a sixteen year career and somehow he's lost it.
(Shinichi Ito is the Japanese bloke by the way
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And I highly doubt that Gibernau helped develop the 800, considering he was out of Ducati when they started testing it.
As for him being slow on raceday, that has nothing to do with it. Jacques is the undisputed developer of the Kawasaki, he was still outclassed by almost everyone on raceday. Testing and developing, and racing are two entirely seperate things. Thats like saying I'm a good driver on the road, why can't I be a good WTCC driver?
(Shinichi Ito is the Japanese bloke by the way
And I highly doubt that Gibernau helped develop the 800, considering he was out of Ducati when they started testing it.
As for him being slow on raceday, that has nothing to do with it. Jacques is the undisputed developer of the Kawasaki, he was still outclassed by almost everyone on raceday. Testing and developing, and racing are two entirely seperate things. Thats like saying I'm a good driver on the road, why can't I be a good WTCC driver?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (antfan @ Jul 8 2007, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This years Ducati has been developed my Guareschi and the other test rider, the Japanese bloke .. You could even say Sete Gibernau had a hand in its development.. Im sorry, but Capirossi's form this year is SO dissapointing, he doesnt deserve the chance to waste another seat in 08... If Stoner can be so dominant on the bike, why cant Loris? He's lost it, period..
did you now that gibbers is older than capi ? and capi would have had more of a roll in development because he has worked for ducati longer, mabe capi is not at the sharp end now because he is still developing parts,or do you think the gp7 is perfect as it is
did you now that gibbers is older than capi ? and capi would have had more of a roll in development because he has worked for ducati longer, mabe capi is not at the sharp end now because he is still developing parts,or do you think the gp7 is perfect as it is
