Burgess on Bridgestone

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ May 19 2008, 07:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was browsing the latest issue of Roadracing World at the bookstore this evening. Burgess did a little Q&A on the Bridgestones. He sounded a little insulted that people would think it was a rash decision to make the move.

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I'm way too lazy to transcribe them so no complaints.
phone caming books in a book store, i like your style

that jb is a funny old stick. at the end of last season when rossi was signing the deal with stones jb said it was a bad decision. senile old git

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 19 2008, 08:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> phone caming books in a book store, i like your style

that jb is a funny old stick. at the end of last season when rossi was signing the deal with stones jb said it was a bad decision. senile old git
Should get his story straight, no doubt. He can hardly trash the bridgestones now they are on them though, there not being many other tyre manufacturers. Maybe he was attempting to keep some line back to michelin open if the bridgestone experiment failed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ May 19 2008, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Should get his story straight, no doubt. He can hardly trash the bridgestones now they are on them though, there not being many other tyre manufacturers. Maybe he was attempting to keep some line back to michelin open if the bridgestone experiment failed.

Did he make any reference back to what he said earilier that I didn't see?
To me it looks like a change of mind. If he felt he owed Rossi an applogy for what he said last year I'm sure he gave it. To us he ows nothing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 19 2008, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did he make any reference back to what he said earilier that I didn't see?
To me it looks like a change of mind. If he felt he owed Rossi an applogy for what he said last year I'm sure he gave it. To us he ows nothing.

Yea JB is a straight talking guy, the comments he made last year were how he felt about the situation at the time, now he may feel different and thats fine.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 19 2008, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yea JB is a straight talking guy, the comments he made last year were how he felt about the situation at the time, now he may feel different and thats fine.
Good post

Dude, if you are phonecamming, atleast do the whole article ..LOL thanks..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ May 19 2008, 06:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>2. They want to help B replace M as the tire king. Rossi has said that if Michelin could step it up so well in 08, why didn't they do it in 07 and 06.

They have a plan.
I agree that this is probably the whole point. I believe rossi would be doing just as well on 2008 michelins, but the 2008 michelins may not have come into being, or at least not have been available in a form suited to valentino, without his move to bridgestone galvanising michelin. If rumours are to be believed honda may even have kicked into michelin's budget, so I can't imagine the best tyres would be freely available to all 3 yamaha michelin runners, as they seem to be, without the rossi situation. Valentino made a specific complaint that he felt michelin tyre development was going in a direction to suit hrc/pedrosa.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ May 19 2008, 09:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Go back and reread the 2nd part of the 2nd pic. He makes reference to changing the way things are for years to come. The blurb was unclear about specifics, but it sound like the possibility of the following:

1. It will become normal for teams to have different tires; in the same magazine, there was a feature article describing how exactly and what steps both M and B took to make sure no proprietary data was "misplaced" since they were in the same garage. This included things as simple as a plastic partition up to things as complicated as separate servers for data.

2. They want to help B replace M as the tire king. Rossi has said that if Michelin could step it up so well in 08, why didn't they do it in 07 and 06.

They have a plan.

Parc, you are one of the few people who notices the details. So surely you realize that they split Yamaha solely for the purpose of having a garage where the governing body could over see the creation the de facto control tire. Nobody has been asking about the security between Rossi's team and Lorenzo's team, because neither wants to give an edge to the other. So why did DORNA/YAMAHA feel the need?

Another Honda-esque press release.

A scientific experiment can only have 1 independent variable. Therefore, DORNA needed a split team to pull it off. They had to choose between Honda/Pedrosa and Rossi/Yamaha.

Easier to pull a fast one on star-struck rookie than a wily vet---send Colin to Tech3. Sorry Dani, you're not important enough to get the tires you want. You're too short to see over the conference table too. That was probably the deciding factor.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 20 2008, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Parc, you are one of the few people who notices the details. So surely you realize that they split Yamaha solely for the purpose of having a garage where the governing body could over see the creation the de facto control tire. Nobody has been asking about the security between Rossi's team and Lorenzo's team, because neither wants to give an edge to the other. So why did DORNA/YAMAHA feel the need?

Another Honda-esque press release.

A scientific experiment can only have 1 independent variable. Therefore, DORNA needed a split team to pull it off. They had to choose between Honda/Pedrosa and Rossi/Yamaha.

Easier to pull a fast one on star-struck rookie than a wily vet---send Colin to Tech3. Sorry Dani, you're not important enough to get the tires you want. You're too short to see over the conference table too. That was probably the deciding factor.
What control tyre? Give us quotes showing details of this mythical control tyre or STFU about it.

Rossi got pissed off with Michelin not giving a .... (-30% on development funds for 2007) and demanded Bridgestones. The conspiracy theories abounding on how Rossi got his way were bad enough - stop talking Dorna/Yamaha/control tyre conspiracies without evidence.

Nobody has asked about the security of the Rossi/Lorenzo data because any ..... can see that the differences in the chassis setup required to run Michelin or Bridgestone on the same bike (see http://www.powerslide.net/forum/-t7748.htm...st&p=127107 for more info) mean that any data transfer between the two halves of the FIAT Yamaha garage would be utterly irrelevant.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ May 20 2008, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What control tyre? Give us quotes showing details of this mythical control tyre or STFU about it.

Rossi got pissed off with Michelin not giving a .... (-30% on development funds for 2007) and demanded Bridgestones. The conspiracy theories abounding on how Rossi got his way were bad enough - stop talking Dorna/Yamaha/control tyre conspiracies without evidence.

Nobody has asked about the security of the Rossi/Lorenzo data because any ..... can see that the differences in the chassis setup required to run Michelin or Bridgestone on the same bike (see http://www.powerslide.net/forum/-t7748.htm...st&p=127107 for more info) mean that any data transfer between the two halves of the FIAT Yamaha garage would be utterly irrelevant.


Well put buddy.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 19 2008, 01:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> phone caming books in a book store, i like your style

that jb is a funny old stick. at the end of last season when rossi was signing the deal with stones jb said it was a bad decision. senile old git

Hilarious!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ May 20 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi got pissed off with Michelin not giving a .... (-30% on development funds for 2007) and demanded Bridgestones. The conspiracy theories abounding on how Rossi got his way were bad enough - stop talking Dorna/Yamaha/control tyre conspiracies without evidence.

Are you talking about the theories where Rossi attended the technical meetings and then he was given exactly what he asked for while other rider's weren't.

Yes. Those irrefutable facts must have been pretty miserable for you.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 21 2008, 12:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you talking about the theories where Rossi attended the technical meetings and then he was given exactly what he asked for while other rider's weren't.

Yes. Those irrefutable facts must have been pretty miserable for you.


Lex
Please elaborate. I for one thought that it was very odd that Rossi got the switch to bridgestones after all of the whinning and postuering on all sides of the tyre situation.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ May 20 2008, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lex
Please elaborate. I for one thought that it was very odd that Rossi got the switch to bridgestones after all of the whinning and postuering on all sides of the tyre situation.

It was widely reported that Rossi was seen in plain sight attending meetings with Dorna officials during the technical tire meeting sessions. Whether or not it was THE MEETINGS is inconclusive.

As many know. The tire hullabaloo was at it's peak at Estoril. After Bridgestone and Michelin failed to reach an agreement (basically over who was going to get stuck trying to please Rossi) Ezy issued a blanket threat. At the Malaysian GP DORNA would decide whether or not to award a control tire.

Between Estoril and Malaysia there were many reports of shady dealings and alliances etc. Probably mostly hear-say but there were things happening regardless of how far off the rumors were.

Anyway. Michelin was going to leave if they couldn't unload Rossi's development budget. Rossi had his own family of tires and according to Edwards no one else could ride them even though Edwards was frequently expected to be his test mule. Bridgestone refused to supply him b/c they knew how Rossi/Yamaha expected preferential treatment.

Long and short, B-stone realized Ezy wasn't playing around about the control tire and they welcomed Rossi on board. Obviously, there were very substantial operating agreements revolving around his trade that never made it into the rule books. Bridgestone turned Yamaha down during numerous negotiations only to welcome Rossi with open arms after staring down the barrel of a control tire.

Considering the magnitude of the tire crisis and the schism it caused in the press/fanbase, I can't foresee, imagine, or even make-up situation whereby Ezy allowed both manufacturers to continue status quo operations.