Burgess: No trouble found on Rossi's engine

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Nov 8 2007, 10:44 PM) [snapback]99830[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
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There have been some contradictory news on the nature of Rossi's technical problem at Valencia. Rossi said that his bike's engine just quit. But some news came out the next day, quoting Burgess saying that no trouble had been found.

Now more news have come out through Brivio, confirming that the problem was not a mechanical one. They say it "might" have been a software glitch blocking the rear wheel momentarily, and giving Rossi the impression of an engine failure.

So in the end, Yamaha's ECU could be blamed both for Rossi's crash in QP and for his retirement from the race.

Or, one could blame Rossi's brain for opening the throttle too much out of that turn, and for misjudging a bug for a mechanical failure...

this is the trouble with traction control imo. it give's you a false sense of security,fine when it works,you can give it full throttle in a corner with no worry s or busted bones when it doesn't.
anybody come's on this thread and trys to say rossi made it up or sandbagged is an ..... (pinky). ask youself how many times your computer has crashed,and what evidence is there it ever happened after a re-boot.

Rossi != Quitter

If Rossi claims a mechanical (which would also include software and electronics), I believe him.

He was riding with a broken hand and climbing up into the points to secure second place in the championship when he pulled in. It's not like he was that far off the pace.

Even if he was running in last place reading our names on the KR bike, I bet he would still finish a race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Nov 8 2007, 10:55 PM) [snapback]99834[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
this is the trouble with traction control imo. it give's you a false sense of security,fine when it works,you can give it full throttle in a corner with no worry s or busted bones when it doesn't.
anybody come's on this thread and trys to say rossi made it up or sandbagged is an ..... (pinky). ask youself how many times your computer has crashed,and what evidence is there it ever happened after a re-boot.

..... I am....
I think that Rossi may be playing games to get his way again...
Think about it.. he doesn't really care about 2nd place.. He wants the championship and he feels that he has not gotten the support from Yamaha that he felt that he needed during the season.

He whined and moaned and got the tyres.
Why not fudge it a bit and get the extra attention that he did not receive this year...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63832

Rossi wants Yamaha boss at more races

By Michele Lostia and Glenn Freeman Wednesday, November 7th 2007, 11:31 GMT


Valentino Rossi has asked the boss of Yamaha's MotoGP project to attend more races next year.

Masao Furosawa's role with the manufacturer for the past two years has led him to be more involved in more aspects of the company, preventing him from fulfilling the same role that he had during Rossi's title-winning years with Yamaha.

"I have asked him to come back to the races," Rossi was quoted as saying by Italian magazine Motosprint. "He and I have a great relationship.

"I told him we must re-create the group that we organised in 2004. We must work together more."

Rossi believes that Yamaha's only chance of winning the MotoGP title again is to bring Furosawa back into a more specific role with the project.

"He knows how to motivate the group, he knows how to obtain what he wants because he is very powerful," the Italian added.

"We need an engine with more horsepower and we must develop it well, with the aid of the racing department. Only Furosawa can give us a hand."

Rossi won back-to-back titles with Yamaha after he joined them in 2004, but in the past two seasons he has finished second and third respectively in the standings.

I thought he hit a bump that everyone was hitting???

He looked "squirelly" coming into the corner thats all.

Must have hurt though ... anyone else would have pulled in I would have thought.

He gave it a go though.

I can't say he was a cert. to get the 2nd either, although I was convinced Edwards was sandbagging a bit .... just in case Rossi needed an extra place when the finish line came.

It wasn't TC thats part of the Engine and Burgess has said .... it wasn't the engine. These things have very comprehensive data aquisition to record what happened ...... so .... work it out.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Nov 9 2007, 12:55 AM) [snapback]99834[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
this is the trouble with traction control imo. it give's you a false sense of security,fine when it works,you can give it full throttle in a corner with no worry s or busted bones when it doesn't.
anybody come's on this thread and trys to say rossi made it up or sandbagged is an ..... (pinky). ask youself how many times your computer has crashed,and what evidence is there it ever happened after a re-boot.


classic

i said it last week there was no prob with his engine but was shot down.

he just wants to let other people know that there is mechanical problem when the bike isnt 100% perfect. he already did it in the wet race. now again.

i see heaps of people do that when racing. when they go .... i pull to the side and start swerving their bike and looking at the front end or rear end, indidcating is wrong, but then once they pull thier head in they are going fast again.


rossi wants to keep his aura of invincibility, so when he isnt competitive what else to say than his machinary let him down. i think rossi has let his machinery down equally. crash this year, crash last year. did he apologise then?

end of day rossi dont give a .... about 2nd. no he doesnt he has won 7 wc. as if he would be rememebered for his 2nd in 07? when your so used to wining, coming 2nd just dont cut it. it hurts. yes it does.


actually a 3rd would look better than a 2nd in 07, it would say look how bad my bike was in 07, i couldnt even get a 2nd, yeat i am the best rider.

now does Rossi would like to apologize to yamaha?

Any link to the actuall report of what Burgess said? I find this hard to believe, given that Yamaha has already apologized.

If they spent their $10M on the bike instead of the rider, they might have more success.

I don't think Rossi and Burgess are so close these days and its affecting things.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 8 2007, 10:39 PM) [snapback]99857[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I don't think Rossi and Burgess are so close these days and its affecting things.




Yamaha said it was a software problem pinky. You only seem to come out with your own statements

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 9 2007, 03:39 AM) [snapback]99857[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I don't think Rossi and Burgess are so close these days and its affecting things.

im starting to think the same thing. it started when rossi said tyres were the problem and jb said it was the bikes power thats the problem, alls defo not happy in the yamaha camp,they just dont seem to be able to agree on anything.

If he says it was some kind of catastrophic failure, I believe him. He's got 3 broken bones in the throttle hand so it's a total freebie to park the after things get too painful. Nobody would say a thing, they would just applaud his bravery for riding at all. So why make up a lie that the bike conked out when he would still be hero even if he ended up pulling it into the pits?

However, when I saw it happen it looked like the initial bump wasn't fatal, but it slammed his wrists which caused him some serious pain. That's what I thought happened and was why he slowed and pulled off, but stayed on the bike... I thought he was just letting his wrist rest for a second because it hurt from the shock.

Then he parked it and he makes this statement. So, whatever... I believe it. There's not really many strong arguments for him making it up when he's got a damn 1-day-old-broken-throttle-hand.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Nov 9 2007, 08:35 AM) [snapback]99875[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
im starting to think the same thing. it started when rossi said tyres were the problem and jb said it was the bikes power thats the problem, alls defo not happy in the yamaha camp,they just dont seem to be able to agree on anything.

If some of the older reports are to be believed, they were in dispute as long ago as last year when burgess wanted to sign stoner and rossi vetoed it. This was obviously fortunate for stoner given the performance of the yamaha engine this year; prospects for a better engine next year also do not seem bright unless yamaha are playing a con game with the media.

& Guess where this news is coming from:

MCN

With regards to Jeremy, Rossi was asked quite directly at the time that the single tyre rule was being discussed to death. He was in fact asked whether things between him and Jeremy had turned bad. His response was that he tended to shoot his mouth off when asked stuff and Jeremy in was more of a diplomat in formulating his answers, and for that reason it could have appeared that they were in disagreement, but insisted that they weren't.
Be it as it may, the Rossi - Burgess relationship has now lasted longer than today's average marriage so I wouldn't be surprised if they were growing apart. But Rossi's always had the highest opinion of JB and freely admits that a large part in bringing the Yam to success could not have been achieved without him, so I think it would take plenty to sour things between them.

As for Sunday's race, Rossi was right below me when he slowed down. My initial assumption was that the hard braking into turn one simply put too much pressure on his wrist and he ended up going slightly off track. I thought probably something had shifted in the wrist and made it too painful. However he didn't return to the pits. He did one more lap, which doesn't make sense if it had been the wrist. He said before the race he would do his best to race but that he wouldn't be taking unnecessary risks. He was distinctly much much slower on that last lap though. Maybe he wasn't trusting the bike? At that point he had done enough in the race to 'cruise' to second. I really doubt he'd throw that just to have something to complain about. Some people around here seem to forget how proud the guy is. If there was a software glitch which gave him the impression the engine had copped it, then it makes more sense. Having already been in one nasty ugly crash 24 hours earlier, I don't blame him for not wanting to take additional risks. If the bike bumped him once, it could have done it again, with far worse consequences than running a little bit off track.

and what you dont think yamaha dominating local superbike races hasnt anything to do with it? anyone know the R1 ..... all over the other litre bikes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Nov 9 2007, 10:32 AM) [snapback]99888[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
But they made the mistake of thinking Rossi was sufficient and became complacent maybe.I think your 100% right, & I think it goes back to last year as well. They didn't give a .... about fixing the chatter in early '06 because they thought "Ahh we got Rossi", same applies to this year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Goatboy @ Nov 9 2007, 10:36 AM) [snapback]99890[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think your 100% right, & I think it goes back to last year as well. They didn't give a .... about fixing the chatter in early '06 because they thought "Ahh we got Rossi", same applies to this year.


I think burgess and rossi might have been a bit complacent themselves. They seemed quite happy with the yamaha before the first race, perhaps justifiably as it was certainly the best handling bike at the start of the year.

I guess though that it is hard to blame them for not forseeing the engine +/- traction control advantage that ducati proved to have; I doubt ducati themselves did.