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Bridgestone, Stoner, Rossi

J4rn0

J4rn0

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Rossi has been insisting with Bridgestone to develop a front qualification tyre that can compete with Michelin. Now, Stoner has publicly dismissed the idea as something he doesn't need, because he says he can qualify in the the first two rows even without it.
So Stoner and Rossi are already giving Bridgestones different indications. Now we'll see what Bridgestone will do... We'll see also how the mind games between the two develop, Stoner continues to sting Rossi one way or the other, so far Rossi has not reacted
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Mar 19 2008, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi has been insisting with Bridgestone to develop a front qualification tyre that can compete with Michelin. Now, Stoner has publicly dismissed the idea as something he doesn't need, because he says he can qualify in the the first two rows even without it.
So Stoner and Rossi are already giving Bridgestones different indications. Now we'll see what Bridgestone will do... We'll see also how the mind games between the two develop, Stoner continues to sting Rossi one way or the other, so far Rossi has not reacted
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I read those comments as well. IMHO Rossi is right in this case. Bridgestone have openly admitted that their qualifying tire is crap as well as other riders on the paddock. This time I actually think that it is a mind game that Stoner is trying to play on Rossi. Why would Stoner, who qualifies with a race tire front and a quali on the rear, not want a front quali developed? Well, he is confident that he can make it up during the race, where it appears as if Rossi is not so confident and Stoner is calling Rossi on it. The other Bridgestone riders are probably pissed at Stoner for being such a cocky little ....... right now.

As reported on MCN

Stoner's Comments

Rossi's Comments
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Mar 19 2008, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The other Bridgestone riders are probably pissed at Stoner for being such a cocky little ....... right now.
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but he can afford to be so... can't he.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Mar 19 2008, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner continues to sting Rossi one way or the other, so far Rossi has not reacted
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I fail to see the "sting" in this but I'll play along.

As far as the development of the tire, I don't think either of them will have the ultimate say as Bridgestone's goal is to develop the best tire in EVERY circumstance. They got into MotoGP to be the best, they have made tremendous progress, something that other manufactures have tried but have failed to loosen the grip that Michelin had for years. Of course they are gonna try to have a superior Q tire, as much as they want to develop a superior race tire. That is with or in spite of who is wining at the moment. I think you give too much credit to Stoner/Rossi as the be all/say all/end all in what Bridgestone plans to do. It’s not up to them, its up to the guy running the Bridgestone show, and as far as I can see, they’re intention is total domination.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Mar 19 2008, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This time I actually think that it is a mind game that Stoner is trying to play on Rossi.

As reported on MCN

Stoner's Comments

Rossi's Comments
Ah, now I see what J4rn0 is talking about. Wow, those were almost (not) fighting words they exchanged at eachother. I can see the red marks from the "sting" & "mind games" on Rossi left behind by Stoner's verbal slap-on-the-face.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 19 2008, 11:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I fail to see the "sting" in this but I'll play along.

As far as the development of the tire, I don't think either of them will have the ultimate say as Bridgestone's goal is to develop the best tire in EVERY circumstance. They got into MotoGP to be the best, they have made tremendous progress, something that other manufactures have tried but have failed to loosen the grip that Michelin had for years. Of course they are gonna try to have a superior Q tire, as much as they want to develop a superior race tire. That is with or in spite of who is wining at the moment. I think you give too much credit to Stoner/Rossi as the be all/say all/end all in what Bridgestone plans to do. It’s not up to them, its up to the guy running the Bridgestone show, and as far as I can see, they’re intention is total domination.

This is how I felt exactly. Bridgestone is going to develope the best that they can. There has already been reports out about Bridgestone wishing to improve on their quali. Why would Stoner come out and say that .... unless he wanted to start something?
 
You guys missed the most important reason he doesnt care if he has to use a race front

“My front race tyre works fine with a qualifier and we can use this to have more in our tyre allocation.


If he can have more options for his allocation,what he says makes sense.He is confident he can win from anywhere on the front 2 rows and i guess the only thing he is giving up is the award at the end of the season.He got his BMW at the beginning so he is not worried about that.
 
firstly remember this is MCN reporting so big pinch of salt.

im sure stoner is happy as long as he is on the first or second row, he knows his bike is by far the fastest and can make up the distance to the front over the race distance.

funny how stoner is so happy with the stones yet used 07 rubber at losal.
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bridgstone should let both teams play there own game. if rossi wants a better front quali then they should pull out all the stops to build it for him. if stoner doesnt want it then no worrys,carry on as you are then.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 19 2008, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>firstly remember this is MCN reporting so big pinch of salt.

im sure stoner is happy as long as he is on the first or second row, he knows his bike is by far the fastest and can make up the distance to the front over the race distance.

funny how stoner is so happy with the stones yet used 07 rubber at losal.
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bridgstone should let both teams play there own game. if rossi wants a better front quali then they should pull out all the stops to build it for him. if stoner doesnt want it then no worrys,carry on as you are then.

I think Casey Getting High Stoner knows this hence the mind games is the only conclusion I can get from it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Mar 19 2008, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why would Stoner come out and say that .... unless he wanted to start something?
Well I think its as simple as Stoner explained (and Povol above notes) that the Q is good enough, but more importantly, this allows for more flexibility in race tire allocation. If ever MotoGP decides to give a point for pole position, then maybe, this might be a greater issue.

So I don't think he was starting ...., but just saying where best to apportion the racing effort.
 
D'oh you bunch of Wallies
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Stoner is quite simply saying that given the linited number of tyres, he would rather see the options in race tyres being there, not squander it on qualie tyre sellection. Its a formula that works for him, and we would have to say none of the other Bridgestone riders methods are working so I think he is entitled to his opinion ..... as to are the other Bridgestone riders. In any case each rider makes there own selections.

Its just all part of the formula for Stoner ..... he has often run just race tyres even for qualy.

Theres no points for Quali. in Motogp. Just a chance to get a good position at start for the race. He can do that well enough as is. He seems to be able to win from as far down as the third row, but with the influx of new guys who are going to give him the challenge, that didn't exist last year, we will see if his thinking changes
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Mar 20 2008, 09:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>All I can say is, poor Rossi..

I think they should just get rid of the qualifying tire.


I agree with this .... its a "fudge" at best. Its not that often the pole rider wins ...the systemmust hence be flawed.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 19 2008, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree with this .... its a "fudge" at best. Its not that often the pole rider wins ...the systemmust hence be flawed.

But if the races were all won from pole we would complain it was "boring". Furthermore banning qualifying tyres is tricky because then people would just qualify using a race tyre so soft it may as well be a Q.

On the subject in hand. If Stoner wants to qualify with race tyres thats fine, that shouldn't mean Rossi can't develop a qualifying front tyre alongside. Unless of course the company resources are stretched (remember they said they had no room for Vale) so that a front Q tyre would be developed at the expense of other areas. Where would the loyalties lie then?.........................
 
There is always the possibility that casey stoner is telling the truth as he sees it, he has been known to do that in the past. It is also possible the comments are aimed at other people who beat him in qualifying, particularly pedrosa and lorenzo.

The interesting thing to me is that this discussion would seem to imply that it is fairly difficult to come up with an improved qualifying tyre, and not something that can easily be done in a matter of weeks or even several months. Does the same apply to the michelin race tyres?.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 19 2008, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There is always the possibility that casey stoner is telling the truth as he sees it, he has been known to do that in the past.
Thats funny.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 20 2008, 09:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Unless of course the company resources are stretched (remember they said they had no room for Vale) so that a front Q tyre would be developed at the expense of other areas. Where would the loyalties lie then?.........................

hahaha yeah the Bridgestone folk must hate having him there ... it was a no win situation to have him come there from the first place
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We left off last year and folk where thinking Bridgestones were the "ants pants" ....... now we already, immediately after round 1, have negativity about an spect of Bridgestones ........ who didn't see that coming
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Poor suckers ....... I feel for them. They won all that respect last year only to have it shot out from under them at round one
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 20 2008, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There is always the possibility that casey stoner is telling the truth as he sees it, he has been known to do that in the past. It is also possible the comments are aimed at other people who beat him in qualifying, particularly pedrosa and lorenzo.

hahaha yeah there is that sense about "the bushy kid" about him
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Not a fairytale in site ....... you get whats what and nothing more
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Edit: I thought maybe I had better define what a "bushy kid" is: folk in the bush don't talk much, one can't afford flamboyance, words are kept to a minimum and they usually address only the subject at hand. The reason for this could be oppressive heat however I more feel that its due to the fact that if you open your mouth the flies can get in
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I would say Casey is responding to direct questions there, rather than making a "statement".

Nevertheless, whenever he talks it just reminds me of how young he is.
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