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BarryMachine said:
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Once again for the dumbos ...... I would love said "match race" seriously. Both for 22 and Arab ...



But as I said, I am unavailable til after December 20 ........... why is that difficult for you to understand Rog./ Arab/22 ??



As to folk suggesting a trip to the UK would be a holiday!! no it would not, and would be very poorly wasted time at that time of year even.



Now back to reality ...... its a two day trip just to get there, add the two days for Arab and 1 day for 22 then 2 days back home ..... thats a week gone!! So I'm being pretty generous I feel.



Now Arab ....... insurance ...... have you looked into that?

Licence? ..... that?



I think you guys need to get real ........ its just not viable, however if anybody is silly enough to pay for it ( and thats not asking a wage either .... just recompense ...... though in reality that should include "wage" recompense ) I would seriously love a day at racing ( or in this case just doing a demo it sounds ) just about anything.



I will likely be away for a few days ..... and am in no mood for your "need for approval" at present. I know it pisses you off, but meh its your own doing. I disagree with you on the "brakes and downshifting being the way to initiate backing it in", you really need to get over it mate. Or if it really is riling you so much ...... pay up under the conditions stipulated.
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I cant help but notice you are available the day before the end of the world. Talk about a ....... cop-out.
 
BarryMachine said:
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Once again for the dumbos ...... I would love said "match race" seriously. Both for 22 and Arab ...



But as I said, I am unavailable til after December 20 ........... why is that difficult for you to understand Rog./ Arab/22 ??



As to folk suggesting a trip to the UK would be a holiday!! no it would not, and would be very poorly wasted time at that time of year even.



Now back to reality ...... its a two day trip just to get there, add the two days for Arab and 1 day for 22 then 2 days back home ..... thats a week gone!! So I'm being pretty generous I feel.



Now Arab ....... insurance ...... have you looked into that?

Licence? ..... that?



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All we are all seeing Barry is excuses. You're busy huh? Doing what? I'm visiting 3 countries before the end of the year with work, and I'm still finding time to race and do other things in life. Or are you scared the animals you have imprisoned might escape when you're away? You said you could beat me in a race, and you have told us all you can back a bike in using no brakes, and yet you are conveniently too busy to show us. If you can't come to the UK what excuse would you have for not meeting up with Arrab if he came to Australia? I bet you'd think of something you .......
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I think you guys need to get real ........ its just not viable, however if anybody is silly enough to pay for it ( and thats not asking a wage either .... just recompense ...... though in reality that should include "wage" recompense ) I would seriously love a day at racing ( or in this case just doing a demo it sounds ) just about anything.
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The only one who needs to get real here is you



I will likely be away for a few days ..... and am in no mood for your "need for approval" at present. I know it pisses you off, but meh its your own doing. I disagree with you on the "brakes and downshifting being the way to initiate backing it in", you really need to get over it mate. Or if it really is riling you so much ...... pay up under the conditions stipulated
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Awww iz Barry getting de sniffles? Are we picking on you too much? Quite simply your mouth has outweighed your talent and now you've been backed into a corner (no pun intended) to come good on your promises you've started crying like a little kid, its hilarious. What are you away for? to cry? Don't flatter yourself, the only one here getting pissed off is you, we are ALL laughing our assess off at you. You really are living up to your name Mr Verbal Ct



Oh and here are some emoticons for you



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I think you guys need to get real ........ its just not viable, however if anybody is silly enough to pay for it ( and thats not asking a wage either .... just recompense ...... though in reality that should include "wage" recompense ) I would seriously love a day at racing ( or in this case just doing a demo it sounds ) just about anything.
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I just had to comment on this. You want to get paid a salary to come over here too? What are you? A friggin MotoGP rider?!



Newsflash, you don't get paid by your employer to go on a holiday (Unless you're me, I got put on gardening leave last year for 3 months)



Time for more emoticons!



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BarryMachine said:
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Once again for the dumbos ...... I would love said "match race" seriously. Both for 22 and Arab ...



But as I said, I am unavailable til after December 20 ........... why is that difficult for you to understand Rog./ Arab/22 ??



As to folk suggesting a trip to the UK would be a holiday!! no it would not, and would be very poorly wasted time at that time of year even.



Now back to reality ...... its a two day trip just to get there, add the two days for Arab and 1 day for 22 then 2 days back home ..... thats a week gone!! So I'm being pretty generous I feel.



Now Arab ....... insurance ...... have you looked into that?

Licence? ..... that?



I think you guys need to get real ........ its just not viable, however if anybody is silly enough to pay for it ( and thats not asking a wage either .... just recompense ...... though in reality that should include "wage" recompense ) I would seriously love a day at racing ( or in this case just doing a demo it sounds ) just about anything.



I will likely be away for a few days ..... and am in no mood for your "need for approval" at present. I know it pisses you off, but meh its your own doing. I disagree with you on the "brakes and downshifting being the way to initiate backing it in", you really need to get over it mate. Or if it really is riling you so much ...... pay up under the conditions stipulated.
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Why are you so contemptuous Barry? Why do you post on here if you're not interested in social interaction? strikes me that's more to do with not being capable of social interaction hence the one dimensional flimsy flimsy internet construct/persona. It's not simply about getting on a track - it was when all is said and done a genuine offer of hospitality.



Regarding backing in - you are not disagreeing with me you are questioning the acknowledged technique behind the racing terminology. If you don't agree with it then that's your prerogative to think what you like as an internet forum contributer - the fact that we've cited innumerable racers that employ such a method and links defining what backing in constitutes is deemed irrelevant to you, that's your misconception. If you insist on confusing backing and powersliding - expect to be corrected.



What I do question is your outlandish claims which you, unlike the majority on here, remain utterly unable to substantiate. Chiefly the fact that you claim to slide your Ducati routinely on public roads on the approach to a corner merely by shutting the throttle and minus any downshift through body positioning alone. Why not post some footage of this as Drill suggested a year ago instead of criticising accomplished road testers, instructors, journalists and racers as Michael Neeves? Makes you look like a real ....



The offers there - and why would you not deem a trip to the U.K as a holiday? I've spent several vacations in your country - most importantly with an open mind and loved most of what I saw and experienced.
 
BarryMachine said:
I disagree with you on the "brakes and downshifting being the way to initiate backing it in", you really need to get over it mate. Or if it really is riling you so much ...... pay up under the conditions stipulated.
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You liberally call other members '.......' and '.....' but being the buffoon that you are posted a link yourself gleaned from one of your frantic google searches about backing in warning against use of the back brake. Having not read it properly and in your eagerness/desperation to vindicate yourself failed to notice it dedicated the bulk of the article to the imperative of the downshift. When I pointed this out.......you ignored me. Want me to find it again?
 
How do you spell the noise a chicken makes?



BWORK?
 
BarryMachine said:
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Once again for the dumbos ...... I would love said "match race" seriously. Both for 22 and Arab ...



But as I said, I am unavailable til after December 20 ........... why is that difficult for you to understand Rog./ Arab/22 ??



As to folk suggesting a trip to the UK would be a holiday!! no it would not, and would be very poorly wasted time at that time of year even.



Now back to reality ...... its a two day trip just to get there, add the two days for Arab and 1 day for 22 then 2 days back home ..... thats a week gone!! So I'm being pretty generous I feel.



Now Arab ....... insurance ...... have you looked into that?

Licence? ..... that?



I think you guys need to get real ........ its just not viable, however if anybody is silly enough to pay for it ( and thats not asking a wage either .... just recompense ...... though in reality that should include "wage" recompense ) I would seriously love a day at racing ( or in this case just doing a demo it sounds ) just about anything.



I will likely be away for a few days ..... and am in no mood for your "need for approval" at present. I know it pisses you off, but meh its your own doing. I disagree with you on the "brakes and downshifting being the way to initiate backing it in", you really need to get over it mate. Or if it really is riling you so much ...... pay up under the conditions stipulated.
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Doesn't take 2 days to get to the uk from Australia. It takes around 24 hours unless you have to connect several times with huge time delays between connections. Only took me 24 hours back in 1981 with stops in muscat, Sri Lanka, singapore and hong kong
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So your excuse is, your only free during the off seson when all race tracks are closed ? coward.
 
Arrabbiata1 said:
You liberally call other members '.......' and '.....' but being the buffoon that you are posted a link yourself gleaned from one of your frantic google searches about backing in warning against use of the back brake. Having not read it properly and in your eagerness/desperation to vindicate yourself failed to notice it dedicated the bulk of the article to the imperative of the downshift. When I pointed this out.......you ignored me. Want me to find it again?
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hahaha his desperate google finds always amuse me. You actually get a similar effect in a car too. It's called "lift off over steer" and is cause by the same effect as bikes backin in. Its where the weight is transferred forward and the rear wheels start rotating at a slower speed than the front.

Another thing i find strange is, not only did berry never show us film of his technique, he never even shared a pic of his phantom ducati.



I believe there is a new internet law coming into force in the uk soon. If you use uk sites like this your personal details will become public (ip ect) and be easily traced. My bet is berry is a 13 year old kid who can't get a girl friend so spends his time trolling the internet.
 
BarryMachine said:
Once again for the dumbos ...... I would love said "match race" seriously. Both for 22 and Arab ...



But as I said, I am unavailable til after December 20 ........... why is that difficult for you to understand Rog./ Arab/22 ??



As to folk suggesting a trip to the UK would be a holiday!! no it would not, and would be very poorly wasted time at that time of year even.



Now back to reality ...... its a two day trip just to get there, add the two days for Arab and 1 day for 22 then 2 days back home ..... thats a week gone!! So I'm being pretty generous I feel.



Now Arab ....... insurance ...... have you looked into that?

Licence? ..... that?



I think you guys need to get real ........ its just not viable, however if anybody is silly enough to pay for it ( and thats not asking a wage either .... just recompense ...... though in reality that should include "wage" recompense ) I would seriously love a day at racing ( or in this case just doing a demo it sounds ) just about anything.



I will likely be away for a few days ..... and am in no mood for your "need for approval" at present. I know it pisses you off, but meh its your own doing. I disagree with you on the "brakes and downshifting being the way to initiate backing it in", you really need to get over it mate. Or if it really is riling you so much ...... pay up under the conditions stipulated.
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So that's your way out, eh? Reply with sneering contempt to what is an extremely generous offer and then slowly raise your 'demands' until people say, ".... it."



Wow, you are all 'Class,' Barry.
 
chopperman said:
hahaha his desperate google finds always amuse me. You actually get a similar effect in a car too. It's called "lift off over steer" and is cause by the same effect as bikes backin in.
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I didnt think 4WD Scooby's oversteering Rog
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Hehe, well then you know the answer, keep it flat!!
 
Arrabbiata1 said:
Barry, this guy I randomly found on a Gixer forum apparently hasn't got a clue either....



http://www.hypercycl...219&postcount=4



Exactly what we've been saying - particularly the part about supermoto's and the downshift - precisely what Rog has been trying to tell you for the past two years.
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The only part of that read i have issue with is when he says "dump" the clutch
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Not saying he is wrong but i preferred to feed out the clutch rather than dump it. Its all a balancing act really, i preferred to change down more gears and moderate it by feeding the clutch. Change down less gears and dump the clutch may give the same result so im not arguing
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#22 said:
Hehe, well then you know the answer, keep it flat!!
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That's the "safest" way bro
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I came out the chicane in the rain at Castle coomb and had to lift . I felt the rear starting to go to my right so i just jumped back on the gas. Problem sorted
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chopperman said:
The only part of that read i have issue with is when he says "dump" the clutch
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Not saying he is wrong but i preferred to feed out the clutch rather than dump it. Its all a balancing act really, i preferred to change down more gears and moderate it by feeding the clutch. Change down less gears and dump the clutch may give the same result so im not arguing
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Agree 'feeding' or 'feathering' the clutch is a better term.



The back brake is also sometimes gently applied on a superbike as an aid to stability while generally not at all on a supermoto - but largely the braking is very heavy on purely the front to lighten the rear. The advent of the slipper clutch would allow a rider to 'dump' the clutch these days I suppose and with the increased prevalence of this a a 'rider aid' some riders fed in more rear brake, such as the late Craig Jones. I would also argue that when you saw the likes of Simon and Pasini back in a two stroke 125 and peeling off huge ribbons of rubber on the approach to a hairpin or chicane, which you regularly did, in the absence of engine braking - late braking with the rear was crucial.



Really as a technique, true backing in road racing as God intended it is much scarcer now in Moto GP and even WSBk along with the 'Gary McCoy' full on smoking power slide. As a method of late braking, quickly scrubbing off speed and lining up for a late exit while spoiling the line/composure of the rider behind it was unparalleled but perhaps not the quickest way (with the increased emphasis on electronic taming) to the fastest lap time. Watch Moto 2 on the other hand and you still see it all the time.
 
Arrabbiata1 said:
Agree 'feeding' or 'feathering' the clutch is a better term.



The back brake is also sometimes gently applied on a superbike as an aid to stability while generally not at all on a supermoto - but largely the braking is very heavy on purely the front to lighten the rear. The advent of the slipper clutch would allow a rider to 'dump' the clutch these days I suppose and with the increased prevalence of this a a 'rider aid' some riders fed in more rear brake, such as the late Craig Jones. I would also argue that when you saw the likes of Simon and Pasini back in a two stroke 125 and peeling off huge ribbons of rubber on the approach to a hairpin or chicane, which you regularly did, in the absence of engine braking - late braking with the rear was crucial.



Really as a technique, true backing in road racing as God intended it is much scarcer now in Moto GP and even WSBk along with the 'Gary McCoy' full on smoking power slide. As a method of late braking, quickly scrubbing off speed and lining up for a late exit while spoiling the line/composure of the rider behind it was unparalleled but perhaps not the quickest way (with the increased emphasis on electronic taming) to the fastest lap time. Watch Moto 2 on the other hand and you still see it all the time.
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While the initiation is the same the application from my experience from sport bike and supermoto is very different. With supermoto being a light bike with plenty of steering lock and rider sat way up front you can really hang it out and turn in midway through the corner. Its a lot harder and scarier on a sport bike imho. These have next to no lock and the rider is sat a lot further back from the headstock.Sport bikes tend to gain the max lean angle after correcting the reverse steer unlike in supermoto.
 
Arrabbiata1 said:
Why are you so contemptuous Barry? Why do you post on here if you're not interested in social interaction? strikes me that's more to do with not being capable of social interaction hence the one dimensional flimsy flimsy internet construct/persona. It's not simply about getting on a track - it was when all is said and done a genuine offer of hospitality.



Regarding backing in - you are not disagreeing with me you are questioning the acknowledged technique behind the racing terminology. If you don't agree with it then that's your prerogative to think what you like as an internet forum contributer - the fact that we've cited innumerable racers that employ such a method and links defining what backing in constitutes is deemed irrelevant to you, that's your misconception. If you insist on confusing backing and powersliding - expect to be corrected.



What I do question is your outlandish claims which you, unlike the majority on here, remain utterly unable to substantiate. Chiefly the fact that you claim to slide your Ducati routinely on public roads on the approach to a corner merely by shutting the throttle and minus any downshift through body positioning alone. Why not post some footage of this as Drill suggested a year ago instead of criticising accomplished road testers, instructors, journalists and racers as Michael Neeves? Makes you look like a real ....



The offers there - and why would you not deem a trip to the U.K as a holiday? I've spent several vacations in your country - most importantly with an open mind and loved most of what I saw and experienced.
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