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michaelm said:
Both Rossi and Burgess said that Stoner's basic method was to almost crash the bike in every corner then save it, and that he couldn't or wouldn't do that. Certainly among the requirements for this was commitment and bravery.

Stoner quit as the defending titleholder holding the championship lead with the highest offer Honda had ever made a racer on the table, said offer being made despite Honda presumably being aware MM was in the wings. This stuff about Stoner being scared of MM is even weaker than the usual arguments you guys run, MM at the time had just dodged a career threatening eye problem a resulting from the Willairot incident, and was regarded as an accident waiting to happen which is indeed how Jorge and Dani regarded him for the whole of his rookie premier class season. There is every chance Stoner would have been in strong contention for the title in at least 2013 and 2015 given Jorge against whom he was competitive contended in those years, and HRC wouild seem to have considered this to be the case hence the 20 million. competitive
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That just sounds to me as Rossi and Burgess paying Stoner some respect after they were wrong about it being his fault Ducati's performance declined.

I could argue almost crashing the bike in every corner is what every GP rider is doing. They're keeping the bike at the limits of traction at all times.

Stoner's method on the Duc may have resulted in Rossi losing too much control in every corner because he didn't have the same skillset. I don't think he lacked the commitment or bravery.

Duc riders were just supposed to blindly trust the frontend because they didn't get much feedback from it. Rossi's frontend crashes were too numerous to count. He tried to trust front would grip even if he couldn't feel it and found himself in the gravel time and time again. At a certain point you gotta lose some trust.
 
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JPSLotus said:
Too bad the only thing that you succeeded at doing was making yourself look like an even bigger ....... than was already believed by many here.
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Now that just ruined my day. You have no idea how important my reputation is to me around here. :(
 
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Would y'all mind taking your casey/rossi talk to the spammer threads. Its a win win. First it won't .... up all the threads, and second duc will delete it after a few days and you all can't start all over.
 
MdubSTYLIE said:
Would y'all mind taking your casey/rossi talk to the spammer threads. Its a win win. First it won't .... up all the threads, and second duc will delete it after a few days and you all can't start all over.
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I wouldn't mind, but the next race is 3 weeks out. If we shut up about Stoner & Rossi, it's not like this thread will stay active for 3 weeks only talking about Miller's win. The entire forum got dull in the 3 weeks between Catalunya and Assen.
 
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moto vudu said:
And what do you believe your rep is?
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I don't care what my rep is. I didn't come here for the sole purpose of defending a single rider. You however did. That's a bad look for you.

If you want to discuss Rossi/Stoner, seriously open a brand new topic and stop shitting this one up.
 
For the rossi boppers who don't like to hear about the famous SNS tire!









David Emmett said:
One for the record books

Having two races red-flagged on the same day was unusual, but it was far from the least common thing to happen on the day. We had three riders take their maiden victory in each of the three classes: Pecco Bagnaia in Moto3, Taka Nakagami in Moto2, and the surprising Jack Miller in MotoGP. It was the first time since Sepang 2009 that we had three winners from three different continents (link is external). Miller was the first rider since Ben Spies at Assen in 2011 (link is external) to break the hegemony on victories held by Jorge Lorenzo, Marc Márquez, Dani Pedrosa, Valentino Rossi and Casey Stoner in MotoGP. And Miller's win was the first victory by a non-factory team since Toni Elias used a set of Dani Pedrosa's cast-off Michelins to win at Estoril in 2006.
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Full story >>> https://m.motomatters.com/analysis/2016/06/27/2016_assen_motogp_sunday_round_up.html
 
JPSLotus said:
I don't care what my rep is. I didn't come here for the sole purpose of defending a single rider. You however did. That's a bad look for you.

If you want to discuss Rossi/Stoner, seriously open a brand new topic and stop shitting this one up.
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You're right about that. You're here for the sole purpose of bashing a single rider.
 
Miller gets emotional, and a great sportsmanship and mate effort at the end from Cal

 
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moto vudu said:
You're right about that. You're here for the sole purpose of bashing a single rider.
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Not even remotely close to being accurate.

There are plenty of instances where I haven't bashed Rossi, and have even been complimentary about him. But now let's not let facts get in the way of the false narrative you've been peddling here.

Whenever Rossi retires, you'll likely stop watching GP altogether along with the rest of the Yellow Moron Brigade since there won't be any glory hunting left to be had. Can't really imagine what that's like having my identity wrapped up so completely in a rider the way you've done. It's almost tragic.
 
MdubSTYLIE said:
Would y'all mind taking your casey/rossi talk to the spammer threads. Its a win win. First it won't .... up all the threads, and second duc will delete it after a few days and you all can't start all over.
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Dubs, would a thread titled 'The Casey and Valentino want to sell you a kitchen with ..... enlargement pills thread ' be acceptable?

:D
 
Gaz said:
Miller gets emaotional, and a great sportsmanship and mate effort at the end from Cal

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I really felt bad since I thought he couldn't get out of his own way, and was prone to doing really dumb .... at inopportune times. But you could tell what others thought of him was weighing on him heavily.
 
JPSLotus said:
Not even remotely close to being accurate.

There are plenty of instances where I haven't bashed Rossi, and have even been complimentary about him. But now let's not let facts get in the way of the false narrative you've been peddling here.

Whenever Rossi retires, you'll likely stop watching GP altogether along with the rest of the Yellow Moron Brigade since there won't be any glory hunting left to be had. Can't really imagine what that's like having my identity wrapped up so completely in a rider the way you've done. It's almost tragic.
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It's not even remotely accurate to say all my posts are about Rossi. You can post "Rossi is garbage" all you want, but it's telling how emotional you get when trolling comes back your way. Don't dish out what you can't take in return.

JPS: Rossi sucks! He's slow.
moto vudu: Stoner's a quitter
JPS: .... you! You ....! ....... ....! Custard Yellow Rossi .....!!

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JPSLotus said:
I really felt bad since I thought he couldn't get out of his own way, and was prone to doing really dumb .... at inopportune times. But you could tell what others thought of him was weighing on him heavily.
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It is a very timely insight actually given some of the banter that has been in this thread regarding other riders being impacted by off track chatter.

IMO, but there has been a lot of chatter about his skipping Moto2 and his subsequent last 18 months of results that have been less than spectacular so there would have been a lot of chatter or perhaps even abuse that we do not see and no doubt he will take a huge amount from that win such is teh weight off the shoulders.

I mean, let us not forget that he now has as many MotoGP wins as Dovi and more than the likes of Edwards who have had far longer careers so irrespective of what occurs between now and when he retires (or quits depending on your view :p ) he can always say that he won a MotoGP on a satellite bike, not to many can say either of those things
 
moto vudu said:
That just sounds to me as Rossi and Burgess paying Stoner some respect after they were wrong about it being his fault Ducati's performance declined.

I could argue almost crashing the bike in every corner is what every GP rider is doing. They're keeping the bike at the limits of traction at all times.

Stoner's method on the Duc may have resulted in Rossi losing too much control in every corner because he didn't have the same skillset. I don't think he lacked the commitment or bravery.

Duc riders were just supposed to blindly trust the frontend because they didn't get much feedback from it. Rossi's frontend crashes were too numerous to count. He tried to trust front would grip even if he couldn't feel it and found himself in the gravel time and time again. At a certain point you gotta lose some trust.
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You can try to spin it any way you like, but both said this very specifically on several occasions. I very deliberately said in the face of your mentally weak quitter talk that the way Stoner rode required great commitment and bravery, not that Rossi lacked these qualities btw

I am happy to debate these things all day, it doesn't offend me at all, but you were the one who was talking big pre-race on the basis of qualifying and one of those posting provocatively post race, often on the fallacious basis of what you thought your opponents might say, so crying foul yourself is a little rich imo.

The only thing I did have a strong issue with was your questioning of Jorge's courage, I am still amazed from a medical perspective he managed to ride the Assen 2013 race. It was called unprecedented and heroic when Edwards did it 9 days after a similar injury a couple of years before.
 
Gaz said:
Dubs, would a thread titled 'The Casey and Valentino want to sell you a kitchen with ..... enlargement pills thread ' be acceptable?

:D
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I've seen just about everything else. I think its only a matter of time.
 

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