Assen 2016

moto vudu said:

Does the name Mick Doohan ring a bell, or do you not have sufficient historical knowledge of the sport to know who that is?


FIVE-TIME world champion Mick Doohan says Casey Stoner retired too soon and says he expects the superstar to make a comeback.

The six-time Australian Motorcycle Grand Prix winner’s absence has left a gaping hole at Phillip Island this weekend with only former rivals happy he is not racing.

Doohan, who today will take part in a lap of honour with Stoner and Wayne Gardner, says he can understand the reasons behind why the two-time world champion retired at age 27.

But that doesn’t change the fact he believes Stoner may have jumped the gun.

“It does get a little bit repetitious and there is a lot of pressure, so you’re fully immersed in the sport,” he said.

“So I can see why he was starting to get tired from it and I was a bit the same, but I kept pushing myself because I knew I still wanted to ride.

“These are my thoughts only, but maybe he did pull the pin a bit too early and when he stepped away he realised he still does enjoy the riding and the competition.

“And, Perhaps, maybe it wasn’t as bad as he thought it was.”

Speculation surrounding a possible Stoner comeback won’t go away.

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Keshav said:

Context boy, context. Doohan never said Stoner was a quitter. He was bemoaning the racing world's loss of a great champion rider. I too was bereft when Stoner retired. But I respected his decision. He doesn't owe me anything. It's his ....... life.

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Gaz said:

You really do not like Stoner do you ................ what did he do, did he beat your god in a fair fight?






Yep, many celebrities do get treated poorly by some people in the public and all for being in the public eye but that is nowhere near right as many of these people do not openly seek the limelight thrust upon them and nor do they deserve derision for simply doing a job that they happen to be skilled at.

The issue for me with these occurrences is that it is borne from the more recent phenomenon of 'cult of ownership' where many people seem to demand that the 'celebrity' is beholden to their will, wishes, wants and desires and therefore must accept this demanding behaviour that would be unacceptable were it to be forced on people not in the public eye.

You may rofl at the list and that Stoner experienced this, would you laugh were Rossi subject to the spitting, the constant booing and the personal attacks (and CS' issues were not forum attacks but threats/attacks made in public) as I suspect that you would be calling for those perpetrating the abuse to be the ones to suffer.

Oh, and before you ask - I have been spat on and at a few times by people who did not like decisions that I may have made or actions that I had done within a sporting environment. Let me tell you, it is extremely difficult to not want to rip the jugular vein from someone's through when they spit at you, but it is quite enjoyable to blow them a kiss and wish them well.

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moto vudu said:

Now this is an example of a moving goal post.

I said "There are people with more historical knowledge of the sport that share the opinion Stoner left the sport early."

Keshav replied asking me to name names.

I named Mick Doohan and posted Mick's quote. Now Keshav backtracks with "Doohan never said Stoner was a quitter".

Welcome to debating on MotoGPforum.com 101 class. Please take your seats.

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paparazzo said:

We get it, you're a Vale hater. No need to imply in every post. It is comical to watch you fall apart after try to play Mr. Objective for so long.

I understand the courage of all riders. He improved his position only because of crashes, which he knows since he say that. I am not questioning his courage, I am questioning his ability in damp/wet conditions. Performance today was brutal, and you are searching for nonsense to justify. What does, 'my boy' have to do with Jorge's ride? Claims he was at the limit of crashing, yet slower than riders with inferior bikes and supposed inferior abilities. Being 6+ seconds a lap slower on a factory M1 and passed by satellite riders at this top level is not acceptable yet you and those of your ilk have him as some sort of untouchable racer, which of course is laughable...

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Keshav said:

........: you were using the quote to back up your wanking about Stoner being a quitter which has been the premise of all your pissing and moaning about him.

Word of advice: Don't cling to a mistake just because you spent a long time making it.

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wannaride said:

This is stupid.

Stoner left MotoGP only because his wife keeps his knakers in a jar in the kitchen and only lets him have them when she sees fit.

Casey is only 30 which is as old as Pedrosa and only a year older than the Whiner. Oh and seven (7) years younger than the GOAT. Surely he left early.

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Keshav said:

Again... you resort to promulgating the idea that a racer can only gain your respect by burning himself out and leave the sport crippled by injuries and nothing short of that will convince you of his significance as a rider. This is nothing more than a twisted and juvenile perception of what constitutes manliness. Racing isn't a sport won by balls alone. King Kenny who was praised for making comebacks from a broken back and other injuries always maintained that the top racer's tools for winning were 95% intellectual and 5% physicality. Racing isn't boxing and it's not about how much pain you can sustain. What is it with you guys and your whole crucifixion complex? I know you need someone to worship but do they really have to suffer for your sins too?

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povol said:

As bad as Lorenzo was yesterday, Yamaha's new golden child was only a second in front of him. .... happens. Ive seen Lorenzo faster than anyone in the wet even since he busted his ... at Assen a few years back, but he is very cautious if things dont feel 100% to his liking. He admits it, whats the problem, he is by the way still ahead of Rossi in the championship

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imunderandoverit said:

Rossis chance of winning the title went from 100% down to 50%. Rossi has the best bike and has been by far the best rider this year. His pace has been insane. But with three R's, he is pretty much done.. Until something similar happens to 2006 and 2013.

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moto vudu said:

If the race wasn't restarted he would have finished dead last scoring 0 points. He might as well not have even suited up and left his motorhome if he was going to circle the track in last place. He said he was close to pulling back into the pits.

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moto vudu said:

If the race wasn't restarted he would have finished dead last scoring 0 points. He might as well not have even suited up and left his motorhome if he was going to circle the track in last place. He said he was close to pulling back into the pits.

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povol said:

If your aunt had a .... she would be your uncle, if Marquez didnt have so much to lose, he would have easily beaten Miller, if they hadnt thrown the red flag Rossi would have dropped to seventh, if if if. Reality is, he rode his race and came home in the points. We all might look back at yesterday as the ride that won him the championship.

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moto vudu said:

Reality is Lorenzo showed up at a GP and gave a dismal effort. Every other rider put forth more effort, even those that didn't score points.

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povol said:

I was always taught work smart, not hard.

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J4rn0 said:

After the race he defined himself "a donkey" for incurring in such a silly mistake.

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moto vudu said:

That Doohan quote ruined your whole argument.

I don't think anyone within the sport would go on record calling Stoner a quitter. They will sugarcoat their opinion and simply say he left early.

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