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JPSLotus · Jun 27, 2016

Arrabbiata1 said:
After the restart Rossi put the hammer down. It was brilliant to watch and albeit briefly I thought we were in for another repeat of Donington 2005 which I witnessed trackside. Marquez said afterwards that his pace was incredible. Vale has blamed himself for going too hard and chasing the points, but this is precisely why we should watch this sport. Not to watch him fall but for riders to exploit their talent and machinery and deliver such memorable and remarkable rides. So anyway, kudos to ........

Regrettable then that Lorenzo rode such a cautious race and with Rossi crashing out, didn't give his canary brained detractors on here and trackside, something to actually celebrate and cheer this weekend by similarly losing the front.

I didn't think his pace was sustainable when he took off on the restart. I was wondering why he was pushing so hard in conditions that were spotty at best at that point on tires of questionable construction. MM was never interested in challenging him, or anyone for the win since it may have meant throwing points away. Had he rode a slightly more restrained race, Jack Miller might have still won it, but it's also possible Jack Miller settles for P2.

Still it's been an unusual year by Rossi standards as he has crashed out of two races through unforced errors with COTA being the other. He's only had that happen once in his career, I think 2011.

WVMotoGP99 · Jun 27, 2016

J4rn0 said:
Maybe a permanent "Damn-Rossi/Pro-Rossi" thread coul be created and all those who want to comment on how this despicable Rossi ruined the sport or conversely how he is the matchless and peerless GOAT could "debate" there to their hearts' content, leaving race threads free to discuss the actual merit of things and events? Just a wish.

Second....

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SlartyBartFast · Jun 27, 2016

Well, at 4 am, my three year old son called out, so I went and put him back to sleep. Then my 18 month old daughter called out, so I went and settled her. Upon returning to bed their pregnant mother inquired after the children, to which I replied "you won't believe who won the bloody race" and then attempted to excitedly explain the details of the event. She did not share my enthusiasm and put a snappy end to that discussion. So I went to work and told everyone I could about it (how the .... these ..... don't know is mind boggling, they need educating). I love yelling at the telle late on Sunday nights when everyone else is asleep. You ....... beauty, Go Jack !!!!!!!!

Jumkie · Jun 27, 2016

SlartyBartFast said:
Well, at 4 am, my three year old son called out, so I went and put him back to sleep. Then my 18 month old daughter called out, so I went and settled her. Upon returning to bed their pregnant mother inquired after the children, to which I replied "you won't believe who won the bloody race" and then attempted to excitedly explain the details of the event. She did not share my enthusiasm and put a snappy end to that discussion. So I went to work and told everyone I could about it (how the .... these ..... don't know is mind boggling, they need educating). I love yelling at the telle late on Sunday nights when everyone else is asleep. You ....... beauty, Go Jack !!!!!!!!

That's why God created this forum.

J4rn0 · Jun 27, 2016

JPSLotus said:
I didn't think his pace was sustainable when he took off on the restart. I was wondering why he was pushing so hard in conditions that were spotty at best at that point on tires of questionable construction. MM was never interested in challenging him, or anyone for the win since it may have meant throwing points away. Had he rode a slightly more restrained race, Jack Miller might have still won it, but it's also possible Jack Miller settles for P2.

Still it's been an unusual year by Rossi standards as he has crashed out of two races through unforced errors with COTA being the other. He's only had that happen once in his career, I think 2011.

After the race he defined himself "a donkey" for incurring in such a silly mistake. One could understand Dovi pushing in the hope of giving Ducati that elusive win, but Rossi just needed to control the situation.
Marquez did the right thing. This new sensible version of MM93 will be tough to beat.

Keshav · Jun 27, 2016

moto vudu said:
You tried to refute longevity being required by using a racer that only left the sport because he was paralyzed. Rainey would have continued racing if he didn't get injured. Even Spies, with a body that was completely failing him, struggled to come to grips with the situation and make that decision to hang it up.

Stoner stands alone, he exited the sport prematurely. But he isn't stupid, he knew who was joining the premier class.

Again... you resort to promulgating the idea that a racer can only gain your respect by burning himself out and leave the sport crippled by injuries and nothing short of that will convince you of his significance as a rider. This is nothing more than a twisted and juvenile perception of what constitutes manliness. Racing isn't a sport won by balls alone. King Kenny who was praised for making comebacks from a broken back and other injuries always maintained that the top racer's tools for winning were 95% intellectual and 5% physicality. Racing isn't boxing and it's not about how much pain you can sustain. What is it with you guys and your whole crucifixion complex? I know you need someone to worship but do they really have to suffer for your sins too?

Keshav · Jun 27, 2016

moto vudu said:
I'm having an A to B conversation with JPS. C your way out.

....... delusional you are. You think you can avoid being taken to task for your ........ by anyone who wants to? That what a forum is. There's no exclusive dialogs here. You post nonsense where everyone can see it. That's an invitation for everyone to pick apart your untruths, your myths and your ...-backwards thinking.

Keshav · Jun 27, 2016

Daniboy said:
No they didn't but Scott, Eugene and Danilo were all interviewed on bt sport and all 3 said it was not safe to continue, as two of those were in podium positions I think it is safe to assume the rest were in agreement.

3 riders out of all the grid and you make the assumption that everyone else in agreement??? You obviously are neither a fan of statistics, math or a successful gambler.

moto vudu · Jun 27, 2016

Keshav said:
Again... you resort to promulgating the idea that a racer can only gain your respect by burning himself out and leave the sport crippled by injuries and nothing short of that will convince you of his significance as a rider. This is nothing more than a twisted and juvenile perception of what constitutes manliness. Racing isn't a sport won by balls alone. King Kenny who was praised for making comebacks from a broken back and other injuries always maintained that the top racer's tools for winning were 95% intellectual and 5% physicality. Racing isn't boxing and it's not about how much pain you can sustain. What is it with you guys and your whole crucifixion complex? I know you need someone to worship but do they really have to suffer for your sins too?

If Stoner was burnt out then good on him for leaving. He no longer had the motivation and that falls under the 95% intellectual 5% physicality quote from King Kenny.

moto vudu · Jun 27, 2016

Keshav said:
....... delusional you are. You think you can avoid being taken to task for your ........ by anyone who wants to? That what a forum is. There's no exclusive dialogs here. You post nonsense where everyone can see it. That's an invitation for everyone to pick apart your untruths, your myths and your ...-backwards thinking.

I'm delusional? This is the forum where Jumkie claims Rossi attempted to murder Marquez, Bridgestone is forced out to bring in Michelin so Rossi has an advantage, and Race Direction will Red Flag an event to give Rossi an advantage.

If I'm delusional, I've come to the right place.

Cool Blue · Jun 27, 2016

Keshav said:
3 riders out of all the grid and you make the assumption that everyone else in agreement??? You obviously are neither a fan of statistics, math or a successful gambler.

Ah, c'mon. It's ok: it's Danni Boy Logic.
Apologies to Walter Becker and Donald Fagen.

But I think he's right just the same. After they all settled down, there didn't seem to be any lingering complaints. You can understand the reaction of the group of riders converging on the leaders at the moment it was invoked but, yeh, it was too dangerous. It was the right call.

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Arrabbiata1 · Jun 27, 2016

J4rn0 said:
Maybe a permanent "Damn-Rossi/Pro-Rossi" thread coul be created and all those who want to comment on how this despicable Rossi ruined the sport or conversely how he is the matchless and peerless GOAT could "debate" there to their hearts' content, leaving race threads free to discuss the actual merit of things and events? Just a wish.

Funnily enough, I suggested this several pages back - and I totally agree. But since you're here, why do you think that Hernandez was permitted to leave pit lane on his second bike on a different tyre?

Richy56 · Jun 27, 2016

Rossi can't control his inner chimp, Lorenzo and Marquez can. Rossi is mentally weak and his rivals have found that out.

even boppers must see that, you just have to see how pissed he was at the marshal, he is a disgrace, and should remember the sport is nothing without the volunteers who run these evens

Keshav · Jun 27, 2016

moto vudu said:
No, I did not watch Stoner in his 250 days. Stoner never liked trading paint with Rossi.

Once again, the claim about longevity was never disproven. Are there any 1-time world champions you rank above Stoner?

If you didn't see him in his 250 days you don't know Stoner.

Regarding his history with Rossi - you promote a pernicious fallacy because it drove you boppers crazy when Stoner left Rossi in the far far distance in race after race which was humiliating for "The Goat" (especially on the cobbed-together low budget Ducati that nobody else could ride) and so you have to spin it that "he never liked trading paint" with Rossi. You've reverse-engineered reality to suit the fragile, yellow-tinged reality bubble you inhabit. Y'know, if you didn't live in the delusion that Rossi's triumphs and/or failures directly reflected on you, you wouldn't be compelled to make such a fool of yourself promulgating narratives that simply don't hold water.

Keshav · Jun 27, 2016

Daniboy said:
Ah forget it, the JPS and Jumkie show is in town, we're getting tag teamed here lol

What you are too thick to suss out is that JPS and Jum (in this vein of dialog) are saying what 98% of the forum are thinking but can't be arsed to repeat.

LOL!

michaelm · Jun 27, 2016

moto vudu said:
I'm delusional? This is the forum where Jumkie claims Rossi attempted to murder Marquez, Bridgestone is forced out to bring in Michelin so Rossi has an advantage, and Race Direction will Red Flag an event to give Rossi an advantage.

If I'm delusional, I've come to the right place.

The problem is that your boy is the leading conspiracy theorist of all, and propounded his particular theories on the world stage rather than on an obscure internet forum, and in the total absence of proof. Since many of your fellow travelers have defended him on the grounds that he believed what he alleged, I don't see how you or they can realistically complain about the conspiracy theories of anyone else.

The red flag did clearly disadvantage Rossi however, he may not have won but I think it is much less likely he would have crashed without it, with his realisation of how close MM was seeming to spook him as has been opined. Also agree with Cool Blue that it was not unreasonable to Red Flag the race, and said so at the time.

moto vudu · Jun 27, 2016

Keshav said:
If you didn't see him in his 250 days you don't know Stoner.

Regarding his history with Rossi - you promote a pernicious fallacy because it drove you boppers crazy when Stoner left Rossi in the far far distance in race after race which was humiliating for "The Goat" (especially on the cobbed-together low budget Ducati that nobody else could ride) and so you have to spin it that "he never liked trading paint" with Rossi. You've reverse-engineered reality to suit the fragile, yellow-tinged reality bubble you inhabit. Y'know, if you didn't live in the delusion that Rossi's triumphs and/or failures directly reflected on you, you wouldn't be compelled to make such a fool of yourself promulgating narratives that simply don't hold water.

Nah, you're looking far too deep into it hoping to make a compelling argument. It's not that deep, the opinion mostly stems from Stoner being so critical of the close racing with Rossi at Laguna in 2008. At races he couldn't get a 3-4 second lead and was forced to battle, he seemed to have an issue with it.

All the Rossi's triumphs/failures reflect on me talk is just garbage. I have fun here after all the races no matter where Rossi finishes. If anything, there is a noticeable rise in hostility on this forum when Rossi WINS, so don't even attempt to single me out as some obsessed bopper. I'm one of the few that participate here that don't hate any of the riders.

J4rn0 · Jun 27, 2016

Arrabbiata1 said:
Funnily enough, I suggested this several pages back - and I totally agree. But since you're here, why do you think that Hernandez was permitted to leave pit lane on his second bike on a different tyre?

No idea. He didn't get very far though.

JPSLotus · Jun 27, 2016

moto vudu said:
Nah, you're looking far too deep into it hoping to make a compelling argument. It's not that deep, the opinion mostly stems from Stoner being so critical of the close racing with Rossi at Laguna in 2008. At races he couldn't get a 3-4 second lead and was forced to battle, he seemed to have an issue with it.

All the Rossi's triumphs/failures reflect on me talk is just garbage. I have fun here after all the races no matter where Rossi finishes. If anything, there is a noticeable rise in hostility on this forum when Rossi WINS, so don't even attempt to single me out as some obsessed bopper. I'm one of the few that participate here that don't hate any of the riders.

Laguna Seca 2008 was about Rossi being out of control with an overtake that would have taken both riders out of the race had Stoner not performed evasive maneuvers.

Stoner has never had a problem with close racing, and you can't have watched too much of Stoner's GP days if you think he had an issue with close racing. It was about unchecked dangerous riding that people mistook for "close racing" that he had an issue with. If his famous Laguna overtake on Lorenzo had gone south, he would have been in a position that would have kept him from making contact from Lorenzo because of being on the outside. If he was on the inside, something go wrong would have seen the centrifugal force when heading through the kink pull him towards the outside of the circuit, and right into Lorenzo. It's really an incredible overtake for how ballsy it was, but also for the fact that it didn't put any other rider at risk for getting taken out if it went south.

michaelm · Jun 27, 2016

moto vudu said:
Nah, you're looking far too deep into it hoping to make a compelling argument. It's not that deep, the opinion mostly stems from Stoner being so critical of the close racing with Rossi at Laguna in 2008. At races he couldn't get a 3-4 second lead and was forced to battle, he seemed to have an issue with it.

All the Rossi's triumphs/failures reflect on me talk is just garbage. I have fun here after all the races no matter where Rossi finishes. If anything, there is a noticeable rise in hostility on this forum when Rossi WINS, so don't even attempt to single me out as some obsessed bopper. I'm one of the few that participate here that don't hate any of the riders.

Stoner was upset at LS08 because he had to move from a position on the racing line in control of his bike to the other side of the track to avoid being torpedoed by Rossi who had left the track due to a riding error. How unreasonable. The little ....... then even more unreasonably was miffed when Rossi did actually take him out of a race and the championship lead at Jerez 2011 as a result of a riding error which was particularly egregious given Rossi's stature and experience.

As I have said before all this talk was around when the Ducati was the bike that rode itself rather than the bike which could not be ridden by anyone else, particularly in regard to getting through corners, and I have certainty similar to yours in earlier posts concerning Stoner in this thread that Rossi wouldn't have got within a second of Stoner's lap times on that Ducati at Laguna Seca 08 or elsewhere.

(EDIT There was rather a large amount of hostility on this forum from you for one after the most recent race which Rossi didn't win, btw. I guess there is good hostility and bad hostility.)

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