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moto vudu said:
If I hate Stoner I guess I'm winning because he left the sport. Why can't I have an opinion that he left the sport prematurely (quit), without having a hatred for him?
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You can of course have that opinion, although it is amusing to his actual fans who are happy with his career achievements and decision to retire that those of your allegiance feel the need to be disappointed on our behalf.

You also felt the need to call him a quitter, a crybaby and unwilling to swap paint, exactly the sort of criticism with which you take issue when directed at Rossi, and the latter particularly amusing in view of both the heroic pass on Lorenzo at Laguna Seca as has been said and that swapping paint usually occurs in corners, which no-one else including your boy could negotiate at anything like a competitive pace on a Ducati in the first place.
 
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You have to give vudu credit, he derailed the topic into a discussion about Stoner, yet will complain about us talking about Rossi who is a part of the current championship for better or worse.

Calling Stoner mentally weak is pure ignorance, and shows a total disregard for understanding GP on any level. You cannot achieve multiple world championships and as many race wins as he did by being mentally weak.

In any event, Jack Miller did win today.

Had that been Rossi, vudu would be regaling us with page after page of the greatness of Rossi.

Instead the conversation gets turned into discussing the Ghost of Rossi's Christmas Past. Only instead of old Fezziwig and the joyous Christmas party, it was all the race wins, titles, and unchallenged supremacy being remembered.

Toni Elias won the 2nd MotoAmerica race this weekend in Utah BTW Vudu. He looked great out there against Roger Hayden and Cameron Beaubier. Watching him slide the rear out brought back joyous memories of a wonderful day 10 years ago that you might remember quite well, at a place called Estoril. It had me thinking about how fickle GP can be for guys who simply aren't lucky enough to get onto the promised equipment, and that sometimes the guys who are talented simply don't get much of a chance if any to shine because of circumstances beyond their control. I thought it was fitting I should see Toni win a race the very weekend Jack Miller finally ended the satellite bike win drought in GP. Sometimes those who are quite talented only get to show it when certain advantages are removed from the equation.
 
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Gaz said:
Reports are emerging that teh MarcVDS team have drunk the hospitality completely dry - https://twitter.com/ianwheeler

Apparently, Jack even put some bartending skills to good use

Even the worm was not safe - https://twitter.com/matoxley/status/747123669122555905
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Well deserved. I wonder if Redding was invited, being a former VDS graduate.

But that's NOT tequila you gimp. That is Mezcal (which is actually the beverage with the famous worm at the bottom). If they were drinking good tequila, that famous bloke next to ....... wouldn't be wincing like a girl, though I wouldn't say that to his face. Btw, that stoic look from Jacky is a tell tale sign he's down a couple shots. Visit me in SoCal, I'll teach you all about the tasty Mexi beverages.

Bottoms up, it's Miller time.
 
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Jumkie said:
Well deserved. I wonder if Redding was invited, being a former VDS graduate.

But that's NOT tequila you gimp. That is Mezcal (which is actually the beverage with the famous worm at the bottom). If they were drinking good tequila, that famous bloke next to ....... wouldn't be wincing like a girl, though I wouldn't say that to his face. Btw, that stoic look from Jacky is a tell tale sign he's down a couple shots. Visit me in SoCal, I'll teach you all about the tasty Mexi beverages.

Bottoms up, it's Miller time.
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The twitter did say that Redding was invited and attended

the congratulations from MarcVDS also specifically congratulated 'former employee' and named Scott Redding specifically
 
BeIN Sport is fantastic...I wish they would get BSB on there as well to complete the motorcycle coverage.
 
JPSLotus said:
You have to give vudu credit, he derailed the topic into a discussion about Stoner, yet will complain about us talking about Rossi who is a part of the current championship for better or worse.

Calling Stoner mentally weak is pure ignorance, and shows a total disregard for understanding GP on any level. You cannot achieve multiple world championships and as many race wins as he did by being mentally weak.

In any event, Jack Miller did win today.

Had that been Rossi, vudu would be regaling us with page after page of the greatness of Rossi.

Instead the conversation gets turned into discussing the Ghost of Rossi's Christmas Past. Only instead of old Fezziwig and the joyous Christmas party, it was all the race wins, titles, and unchallenged supremacy being remembered.

Toni Elias won the 2nd MotoAmerica race this weekend in Utah BTW Vudu. He looked great out there against Roger Hayden and Cameron Beaubier. Watching him slide the rear out brought back joyous memories of a wonderful day 10 years ago that you might remember quite well, at a place called Estoril. It had me thinking about how fickle GP can be for guys who simply aren't lucky enough to get onto the promised equipment, and that sometimes the guys who are talented simply don't get much of a chance if any to shine because of circumstances beyond their control. I thought it was fitting I should see Toni win a race the very weekend Jack Miller finally ended the satellite bike win drought in GP. Sometimes those who are quite talented only get to show it when certain advantages are removed from the equation.
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I am the one on this forum who bitched the longest and possibly the loudest about how GP will be a fraudulent championship as long as satellites are unable to win. I am thrilled that Jack was able to snap the streak but in no way is this a stride forward or something to cheer for in the big picture. All this shows is that it takes an extraordinary confluence of chaos and misfortune for it to happen.
Not taking anything away from Jack but in no way can this wet/dry/ aborted, abortion be compared to Elias's ride of the ages.
 
Gaz said:
The twitter did say that Redding was invited and attended

the congratulations from MarcVDS also specifically congratulated 'former employee' and named Scott Redding specifically
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It's a good thing there is no test tomorrow. I guarantee you if they downed that bottle they'll be Puiging their guts out and hating life in the morning.
 
JohnnyKnockdown said:
I am the one on this forum who bitched the longest and possibly the loudest about how GP will be a fraudulent championship as long as satellites are unable to win. I am thrilled that Jack was able to snap the streak but in no way is this a stride forward or something to cheer for in the big picture. All this shows is that it takes an extraordinary confluence of chaos and misfortune for it to happen.
Not taking anything away from Jack but in no way can this wet/dry/ aborted, abortion be compared to Elias's ride of the ages.
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I'm dubbing .......'s historic race: The Yellow Flag win.
 
Jumkie said:
It's a good thing there is no test tomorrow. I guarantee you if they downed that bottle they'll be Puiging their guts out and hating life in the morning.
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No tests tomorrow, but that weak of mind has been no hoper dude who is afraid of Marquez tests on Thursday
 
JohnnyKnockdown said:
I am the one on this forum who bitched the longest and possibly the loudest about how GP will be a fraudulent championship as long as satellites are unable to win. I am thrilled that Jack was able to snap the streak but in no way is this a stride forward or something to cheer for in the big picture. All this shows is that it takes an extraordinary confluence of chaos and misfortune for it to happen.
Not taking anything away from Jack but in no way can this wet/dry/ aborted, abortion be compared to Elias's ride of the ages.
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Fair enough and fully agree that Miller's victory doesn't come close to what Toni Elias did due to the difference in the conditions they rode in, and with what was at stake for the championship.

With that said, the only time the satellite bikes have a chance to shine anymore is when it is wet weather or mixed conditions because of the way GP is currently conducted. It's a shame because some of the current satellite riders are talented enough that if they were given factory bikes, they would give the factory riders a very tough time. Too bad GP doesn't mandate that chassis/engine, engine maps, and electronics settings used by the factory teams must be given to the satellite bikes. Would really change the dynamic of GP. Though I suspect banning electronics altogether would be an easier way to make this happen.
 
I think Jorge performance today is absolute disgrace for a 'top rider'. Why no one speaking about this? Of course, 40 pages and not even one mention of it. If this was Valentino everyone would be all over this, calling for his replacing 'too old, washed up, scared , finished...'

The funny part, Jorge was fresh out of 'Jorge' excuses. He had 2nd chance before restart to select good tires and set up bike corrrectly. I like how at other races the live feed shows all his lap time, Harris and Burt have orgasm 'ooohh awww look at how consistent, wow..ooohh wow', yet today they show nothing. I wonder why? His best lap was 2-3 seconds slower than leaders and most laps were 5-7 seconds slower than satellite bikes. I am sorry, this is joke for this top level. Yamaha should just hand the bike over to Nakasuga to ride for anything other than dry, sunny conditions, at least he has some balls in the wet.
 
paparazzo said:
I think Jorge performance today is absolute disgrace for a 'top rider'. Why no one speaking about this? Of course, 40 pages and not even one mention of it. If this was Valentino everyone would be all over this, calling for his replacing 'too old, washed up, scared , finished...'



The funny part, Jorge was fresh out of 'Jorge' excuses. He had 2nd chance before restart to select good tires and set up bike corrrectly. I like how at other races the live feed shows all his lap time, Harris and Burt have orgasm 'ooohh awww look at how consistent, wow..ooohh wow', yet today they show nothing. I wonder why? His best lap was 2-3 seconds slower than leaders and most laps were 5-7 seconds slower than satellite bikes. I am sorry, this is joke for this top level. Yamaha should just hand the bike over to Nakasuga to ride for anything other than dry, sunny conditions, at least he has some balls in the wet.
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As normal with George, no excuses, just laid it out. Road for ...., admitted to riding for .....


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paparazzo said:
I think Jorge performance today is absolute disgrace for a 'top rider'. Why no one speaking about this? Of course, 40 pages and not even one mention of it. If this was Valentino everyone would be all over this, calling for his replacing 'too old, washed up, scared , finished...'

The funny part, Jorge was fresh out of 'Jorge' excuses. He had 2nd chance before restart to select good tires and set up bike corrrectly. I like how at other races the live feed shows all his lap time, Harris and Burt have orgasm 'ooohh awww look at how consistent, wow..ooohh wow', yet today they show nothing. I wonder why? His best lap was 2-3 seconds slower than leaders and most laps were 5-7 seconds slower than satellite bikes. I am sorry, this is joke for this top level. Yamaha should just hand the bike over to Nakasuga to ride for anything other than dry, sunny conditions, at least he has some balls in the wet.

You guys now seem to be reduced to arguing against what you would like those you oppose to have said rather than anything they actually say btw. There has been little or no criticism of VR got actually crashing out of the race, because everyone knows these things happen in such conditions.
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He is hopeless now in damp conditions, but not bad in full wet conditions.

As I said earlier in this thread, Assen is the place where he crashed and broke his clavicle 3 years ago, possibly the reason he is not a 6 time world champion as we speak.

Given he remarkably raced the same week he fractured that clavicle and had it plated, his courage being questioned on an Internet forum is rather ludicrous, and he managed a title win last year and to improve his position relative to your boy this weekend despite his understandable trepidation about the track.

It is a series run under whatever conditions prevail, and if he wins by being better in the dry he wins, just as Rossi would have deserved full credit for winning the title last year by his performances in an unusual number of wet races had that eventuated.
 
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Jorge said:

“It's not that I was just going quiet. I was pushing in braking, pushing in acceleration and pushing in the middle of the corner. But the bike was giving me warnings in all the areas,” he said."

It's hard to imagine that on a factory M1, felt he was pushing the limits but fell all the back to last place and then some. IMO, he's hitting a mental limit at Assen. He was not performing well in the dry practice sessions and when it rained he mentally checked out. He got hurt before at Assen and it really seems to have had a huge impact on him.
 

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