Again you claim certainty about the hypothetical while scoffing at others who do so.
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Again you claim certainty about the hypothetical while scoffing at others who do so.
I would suggest you not go back through this race thread if you wish to keep any self esteem. After talking big/talking provocatively pre-race on the basis of qualifying performances, and being involved in a discussion about Rossi getting a tow, a point not raised by any of your "haters", you are now reduced to red herrings post race.
A major reason Stoner retired if you read his book is because he thought many who followed the sport were idiots ignorant of the sport. QED.
You would be surprised how easy they are to notice actually, although admittedly they are far easier once the bikes are in motion on a wet track as the light illuminates the spray very well (it may even have been able to be identified on the warm up lap) , although at the same time there should be checks by both the team and officials at the grid.
Stupid as you may want this to be, but if that scenario happened in Australia and CS did not mention it to the proper people, then he is able to be disciplined under the OHS (Occupational Health and Safety) regulations as all employees have an obligation to report OHS issues that they identify.
So you may consider it a trivial thing but in some work places, that can be an extremely dangerous issue
Jealous much?
Missing him are we?
Whether he quit or retired what difference does it make as he rejected a confirmed 20million US dollars for an extra season and has instead retired to be a young family man and father who still gets paid more than most and has access to bikes the type of which we can only dream.
For me, I am with JPS as CS retired whilst others have threatened to quit the sport unless X happens (and VR is not the only one, but he is a powerful one)
Whilst riiding a bike which wouldn't turn mid corner and on which in all likelihood no -one else, particularly Rossi, would have been in any position to contest the lead in any fashion.
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No, I didn't read Stoner's book. If he quit just because he felt many fans are ignorant, he's an even bigger cry baby than a previously thought which further strengthens my belief that Marquez would have broken his mind, body, and soul.
Trolling much MV - seriously total BS
Stoner left the sport at a time of his choosing, not because Marquiez was on teh way as (and I will put this in capital letters for you) - HONDA OFFERED STONER 20 MILLION US DOLLARS TO RIDE IN THE 2013 SEASON AND HE KNOCKED IT BACK
It was actually Stoner's retirement that made space for Marquez in 2013
Just accept that Stoner left the sport of his own accord as have many riders over the years (Spencer, Lawson, Schwantz to name some aside from those who were forced out early)
he was referring to the criticism Stoner copped as a "moaner" for pretty much the same remark after his crash at Jerez 2011, a crash due to Rossi's error rather than his and an occasion when 5 or 6 marshals attempted to aid Rossi while none helped Stoner. Stoner admittedly was capable of picking up his own bike though.
Yes, just like all the "Rossi Haters" who posted pre-race to accuse Rossi of benefiting from a tow in qualifying. Not.
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You're confused. The Rossi Haters were silent after qualifying because DOVI not Rossi benefited from a tow to get pole position.
If you and Gaz are just waking up, why not start fresh instead of going back replying to old posts that you missed and arguments that have already died down. You're late to the party, start a new one.
Not like there aren't others playing the 'tag team' game.
Perhaps a look in the mirror as well.
Interesting, on numbers many would go with Ago, but on quality and content, together with the development that he bought to the sport as he was an absolute pioneer in a few ways ................ Roberts snr
If you want a defining answer from me, .... it, I go with a totally unbiased opinion (just as many others are unbiased of course) of Doohan purely because he is an Aussie ............ but happily accept Roberts snr
If you choose to post provocatively you shouldn't be overly surprised when you are responded to.
Stoner's point btw was that after a short interegnum following Simoncelli's death that certain element among fandom was back to the usual backbiting within weeks.
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Confirming Stoner is a cry baby. He couldn't take a small element of fans that did or said stupid things. He had thousands of fans supporting him, thousands of fans of his rivals were still respectful to him, but the minority of fans that showed up at races and acted like jackasses made him want to quit? He couldn't take that? What's astonishing is that he lasted in the sport longer than one season if his skin is that thin.
You actually miss quite a good read and as someone who has stated their interest in the sport it is a book that gives a good insight into the sacrifices of riders and families as well as outlining the background of him and his family as well as giving an insight into his loyalty.
What clearly comes across in the book is that he is not driven by money nor the adulation that others desire (he does seemingly want recognition) but that he was there to ride bikes as that is his love.
Seriously, as much as you may dislike him as he does not fit your mould and was a challenger to your icon, have a read with an open mind, you may find it enjoyable and interesting (many non-FFans have in the past)
So now because we live in another part of the world we aren't allowed to comment on old posts ............ is that it?
If so MV then seriously mate, who died and made you the ....... god of all that is high, mighty and right in this joint?
Just because you may not agree with what we have to say (after all, we are 'haters' which btw you seem to be yourself, just of another rider so I assume that is acceptable) does not mean that we have no right to respond to posts. Hey, here is a tip, if you don't like it, don't read it or block us ............ Either way I gather you will be happy.
All the .... spewed out on here, and thats where you draw the line? Seems fairly arbitrary, but okay, I sincerely apologize for making light of a serious subject. My ilk? You quite literally know nothing about me.
You keep trotting that line out. Rossi presented those factual things called "numbers" when he made the accusation. However I fully expect that you'll completely disagree with the empirical data because it doesn't fit your narrative. Ofcourse, there was also the remarks by Lorenzo at the end of the season where he admitted that one countrymen helped another. I assume you'll be brushing that off as well. Doesn't actually matter, and its not worth the time to go back and forth. You read the posts here. If you think there's nothing anti-Rossi being said that falls out of the realm of reality, then that's fine. I disagree. Good day sir.
Have you ever been spat on by fans?
Have you ever had your wife abused by people?
Have you ever been threatened because you were better than someone on a given day?
Have you ever been boo'd for simply doing your job?
Have you ever been boo'd at a charity auction?
All of these have happened because Stoner had the temerity to beat and better consistently a particular rider who had a large fan base.
Did this drive him from the sport ........... nope, but no doubt it contributed to the disillusionment and enjoyment that he once had for the sport (the bigger disillusionment was DORNA and he makes that clear in the book - suggest you read it)
BTW, may I welcome you to the 'hater' side of debate.
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Woo, I detect some anger. :giggle:, you slept through the party and now you're upset we ate all the pizza. Sorry Gaz, next time we'll delay our post race BSing until you're available to join in. You can comment on all the old posts you want. This place wouldn't be the same without your insights.
Oh I'm sure Stoner's book paints him in a very positive light. I would expect nothing less.
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Don't eat Pizza here mate ................ where I live the nearest Pizza joint is 20 or so minutes away, but what you sense is frustration at the insinutation that I have no right bringing up past posts because a day or so had gone past because my post may not suit or be agreeable to you or your posts
BTW you will see I never asked you to delay as it was yourself who stated that we should not involve ourselves , so may I suggest that you speak with yourself
Your hatred if Stoner however is interesting and your condescending retort to the book quite telling as nowhere did I say it painted him in a good light as that is once again your interpretation based on no evidence. As a fact, my opinion is that yes there are parts of the book that are 'touchy feely', but there are others that did leave me a little bewildered as to his interpretation or words and it does not really 'hide' any thoughts (he is harsh in the book where he was harsh in public and so forth)
I have read a few books.autobiographies of riders and will say that I found the CS book less 'self positive' than any other book about Australian riders
Still, ignore it as you have the free right to do and continue reading other more suitable books/stories.
I asked for no apologies, I have a specific philosophical objection to the use/misuse of medical terminology in the context of an Internet forum.
You actually illustrate my point, that what is delusional from one point of view is "fact" from another, and I find it a double standard of breathtaking proportions that you guys get so irate about criticism of Rossi given that any criticism of him is exceeded by orders of magnitude by vilification of other riders by his fans, and by he himself at the end of last season.
And again, what I keep trotting out is that it is ludicrous to accuse someone of not trying hard enough in a race he won, by definition riding fast enough to win without crashing, the essential requirement for winning in this sport as the recent race once again demonstrated.
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Don't eat Pizza here mate ................ where I live the nearest Pizza joint is 20 or so minutes away, but what you sense is frustration at the insinutation that I have no right bringing up past posts because a day or so had gone past because my post may not suit or be agreeable to you or your posts
BTW you will see I never asked you to delay as it was yourself who stated that we should not involve ourselves , so may I suggest that you speak with yourself
Your hatred if Stoner however is interesting and your condescending retort to the book quite telling as nowhere did I say it painted him in a good light as that is once again your interpretation based on no evidence. As a fact, my opinion is that yes there are parts of the book that are 'touchy feely', but there are others that did leave me a little bewildered as to his interpretation or words and it does not really 'hide' any thoughts (he is harsh in the book where he was harsh in public and so forth)
I have read a few books.autobiographies of riders and will say that I found the CS book less 'self positive' than any other book about Australian riders
Still, ignore it as you have the free right to do and continue reading other more suitable books/stories.
I don't hate Stoner. I question his mental toughness, but I certainly don't hate the man. I don't hate any rider, that's why I can enjoy every race whether Rossi wins or not.
