Assen 2016

JPSLotus · Jun 26, 2016

Arrabbiata1 said:
No he doesn't...Eddie Lawson and Freddie Spencer both left the sport of their own volition for differing reasons. In fact there are several riders that also spring to mind who in spite of their undeniable talent walked out of the paddock amid a range of personal circumstances and in some cases to confront inner demons. It doesn't necessarily make them weak, perhaps it was the braver or harder option - but the right thing to do. Infinitely sadder are those riders in the past that have circulated season after season depriving younger struggling riders of seats, on the basis of their passport, sponsor and in the interest of their pension pot.

Could you all take the tiresome Rossi/Stoner ..... elsewhere - preferably a PM war? - or start another thread, I'll willingly contribute myself although it's been done to death on both sides. I'm just as prone to derail threads, but this is the race thread - and this weekend offered much to talk about.

The flagging of the race was terrible timing, but with Marquez and Crutchlow closing and visibility almost zero, given the standing water it was heading for catastrophe. Amazing though when Redding found two seconds in one lap on the leaders. Bewildered as to why, prior to this, Hernandez was allowed out on his second bike on the same tyre. Should have called it a day after the flag but awarded full not half points.

Barry, in respect of your question as to whether Ducati manufacture Jet Skis...the answer is yes, the GP14.2

Whoa, I don't want any PM's being sent to me...c'mon man.

danski · Jun 26, 2016

Jumkie said:
Or he realized what a .... he sounded like blaming the marshals for losing points, and back pedaled walking back his take so as not to tarnish his Yellow shiny glow.

The thing is they did help him. So he's blaming them for something he dreamed up in his mind. Wouldn't be the first time that's happened.

I know, the engine was still running as they started to lift it up and it stopped then, main thing is he was as usual honest about his mistake .

#22 · Jun 26, 2016

So thoroughly thrilled for Miller, it was great to see a Satellite bike win again though for a long time I thought it was going to be Yonny who did it. I would have laughed had the first Ducati win since 2010 come from their 4th tier team!

Dovi and Rossi threw a win away.

moto vudu · Jun 26, 2016

Keshav said:
Stoner never liked close racing? Really? Did you ever see him in his 250 days? Ever watch him trade paint with Rossi at PI? I mean really... what the .... planet are you on?

You sure are certain when it comes to fantasies that cannot be proven or disproven. Tell me, who would have won in a duel at the OK Corral; Dracula or Jesus? Please regale us with your expert analysis.

No, I did not watch Stoner in his 250 days. Stoner never liked trading paint with Rossi.

JPSLotus said:
You're an ..... as I have already stated multiple times. Staking out a position and then when I refuse to bite, you are claiming victory by saying I know "exactly where it ends" as a way of attempting to infer that would be my position.

This is more commonly known as the straw man.

Your original ........ claim about longevity was disproven, so like a good Rossi bopper, you went searching for something else by directing the conversation to Stoner so you could attempt to claim you somehow maintained the upper hand in all of this. So you came up with another ........ claim as evidenced with your one-sided "argument" where I didn't bite, but you kept pretending like you were having an argument with me which you weren't.

Once again, the claim about longevity was never disproven. Are there any 1-time world champions you rank above Stoner?

Jumkie · Jun 26, 2016

Daniboy said:
I know, the engine was still running as they started to lift it up and it stopped then, main thing is he was as usual honest about his mistake .

You sound like Rossi, backpedalling and deflecting from lodging foot in mouth. You didn’t realize I had actually quoted him when you made your "theorist" quip.

Honest about his mistake? He blamed the ....... marshals for not helping him get a few points from the race he threw away. When you own a mistake you don't blame anyone else for any part of the consequence.

moto vudu · Jun 26, 2016

Jumkie said:
You sound like Rossi, backpedalling and deflecting from lodging foot in mouth. You didn’t realize I had actually quoted him when you made your "theorist" quip.

Honest about his mistake? He blamed the ....... marshals for not helping him get a few points from the race he threw away. When you own a mistake you don't blame anyone else for any part of the consequence.

Reading his entire comment, he doesn't sound mad at or really pointing much of a finger at the marshal. He said he couldn't get the bike restarted because he didn't have help from the marshal, but then said it really didn't matter because he wouldn't have been able to recover much points anyway.

You skimmed his comments, fixated on the bit about the marshal, then exaggerated it to support your "Rossi is despicable" viewpoint.

JPSLotus · Jun 26, 2016

moto vudu said:
No, I did not watch Stoner in his 250 days. Stoner never liked trading paint with Rossi.

Once again, the claim about longevity was never disproven. Are there any 1-time world champions you rank above Stoner?

Oh so we're now moving the goalposts because you were wrong and can't admit it?

lol .... off already .....

danski · Jun 26, 2016

Jumkie said:
You sound like Rossi, backpedalling and deflecting from lodging foot in mouth. You didn’t realize I had actually quoted him when you made your "theorist" quip.

Honest about his mistake? He blamed the ....... marshals for not helping him get a few points from the race he threw away. When you own a mistake you don't blame anyone else for any part of the consequence.

What part of the truth don't you like? For that is what I wrote and for some bizarre reason you twist and turn it till it fits .

moto vudu · Jun 26, 2016

JPSLotus said:
Oh so we're now moving the goalposts because you were wrong and can't admit it?

lol .... off already .....

You're not refuting anything. It's just "blah blah blah, ...., ...., ...." Yet, you're something claiming a victory and saying I wont admit I was wrong.

danski · Jun 26, 2016

Ah forget it, the JPS and Jumkie show is in town, we're getting tag teamed here lol

moto vudu · Jun 26, 2016

JPS and Jums always have their spirits lifted when Rossi gets a DNF. Recall that for the past 2 weeks Jums has pretty much been missing in action. Rossi won at Catalunya so Jums didn't want to play with us anymore. Once he saw Rossi hit the ground, he couldn't wait to get back to this forum. Had Rossi won, we either still wouldn't be hearing from Jums, or he'd be further pushing his conspiracy that Race Direction tried to steer the race toward a Rossi win.

Jumkie · Jun 26, 2016

“When you lose a race like this is a shame. I try to restart but unfortunately the guys don't help me a lot!" Valentino Rossi
Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/231677/1/valentino-rossi-a-stupid-mistake.html#IcbAtYTtk28x88JF.99

You simply found another quote where Rossi backpedalled (though even the PR quote you posted still blames the marshals) and decided that's the quote you'd go with. Rossi can simply teak his words and his naive gullible fans are satisfied.

Content Warning: Look ....... (.)(.)

NJIRK · Jun 26, 2016

I was at Assen this weekend.

Got a autograph of marquez. Really happy with that. There was a pitwalk on thursday. It was a bit dissapointing since the riders that did do autographs and pictures only did it for a few minutes while it was sheduled to take 1,5 hours. Rossi had a lot of people waiting for his pits to get a picture or a autograph. But he never went to them. Only waved at them for 5 seconds.

Still a bit of cheering going on when lorenzo crashed in fp3 and marquez his crash in qualifying. Also a guy giving lorenzo the finger when he went passed after a practise had ended. Made me a bit angry.

Shame about the weather on saturday and making the moto2 race shorter and the motogp race a little chaotic. But the results have been really suprising which was nice.

Nice result from Laverty too

JPSLotus · Jun 26, 2016

moto vudu said:
You're not refuting anything. It's just "blah blah blah, ...., ...., ...." Yet, you're something claiming a victory and saying I wont admit I was wrong.

I already did. Not my fault you can't seem to remember the stupid .... you type.

BTW Arrab already told you your claim that Stoner was the only one who ever left the sport prematurely was wrong. No real surprise you don't know what you're talking about. Your original contention though was quite clear.

Let me show you your post, in particular the bolded portion is what's relevant.

moto vudu said:
He quit. He quit on himself and hit quit on his fans. He robbed you of a chance to get to see him compete against Marquez. Now all you have left is to make excuses for him. Can't be one of the great ones without longevity. Rossi still adding chapters to his story, even if you hate him you can't get deny that he still tests his skills vs the best in the world. Stoner is irrelevant, he is a brand ambassador for Ducati. Maybe they'll put him in a commercial for the Panigale, but perhaps he's not even relevant or marketable enough for that.

King Kenny, Wayne Rainey, and others have disproven this dumb ....... notion you have that you can't be one of the greats without longevity. King Kenny redefined GP racing when he showed up in 1978 and won 3 titles in 6 seasons. He is an absolute legend, and he had a shorter premier class career than Stoner did.

Your belief was made quite clear.

I refuted it by showing evidence to the contrary that longevity is not essential to greatness.

You now act like no such thing happened.

Typical bopper, dumber than .....

danski · Jun 26, 2016

Jumkie said:
“When you lose a race like this is a shame. I try to restart but unfortunately the guys don't help me a lot!" Valentino Rossi
Read more at MotoGP News - MotoGP Netherlands: Valentino Rossi: ?A stupid mistake?

You simply found another quote where Rossi backpedalled (though even the PR quote you posted still blames the marshals) and decided that's the quote you'd go with. Rossi can simply teak his words and his naive gullible fans are satisfied.

Content Warning: Look ....... (.)(.)

here's one where the marshals are not even mentioned
Assen MotoGP: Valentino Rossi laments 'stupid' crash while leading - MotoGP - Autosport

moto vudu · Jun 26, 2016

JPS,

Who is more widely considered to be the greatest GP rider of all time? King Kenny or Giacomo Agostini?

insert random profanity here to help make it seem like i'm making a really good point

Arrabbiata1 · Jun 26, 2016

moto vudu said:
Who is more widely considered to be the greatest GP rider of all time? King Kenny or Giacomo Agostini?

Depends who you ask. Those in the know will analyse the context as opposed to titles alone and consider in such factors as natural talent, comparative advantage, paradigm shifts and competition. General consensus usually goes with neither. Informed opinion usually goes with Hailwood.

On the other hand those that know .... all about the history of the sport tend to be the ones prone to bleating 'GOAT' every other sentence.

Jumkie · Jun 26, 2016

Daniboy said:
here's one where the marshals are not even mentioned
Assen MotoGP: Valentino Rossi laments 'stupid' crash while leading - MotoGP - Autosport

Hahaha, Jesus, you're advancing my point. Yellow journalism helping omit Rossi's accusations already.

You read that and thought, oh here Rossi doesn't even mention the marshals, again not realizing the subtle affect by design by the author to omit any ugly comments by Rossi. No wonder they can get away with it so easily when you got the overwhelming fan typical of yourself buying the spin.

danski · Jun 26, 2016

Jumkie said:
Hahaha, Jesus, you're advancing my point. Yellow journalism helping omit Rossi's accusations already.

You read that and thought, oh here Rossi doesn't even mention the marshals, again not realizing the subtle affect by design by the author to omit any ugly comments by Rossi. No wonder they can get away with it so easily when you got the overwhelming fan typical of yourself buying the spin.

No no no, you are advancing your own point by assuming what people think regardless of any base in truth.

BarryMachine · Jun 26, 2016

moto vudu said:
Are there any 1-time world champions you rank above Stoner?

No but Stoner ranks above rossi .... so that makes your point stupid.

Indeed on that poll we had here Stoner ranked above all other legends ......

Even rossi claimed Stoner was the best rider.

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