Assen 2016

moto vudu said:

JPS,

Marquez would've broken Stoner for good if he didn't quit. Seriously, Stoner wouldn't even show his face back at the paddock once Marquez got through with him. Stoner never liked close racing and having to battle it out, Marquez would've drove him mad and sent him packing to never be seen again.

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Finally, I've been waiting for your red herring since you have nothing else left to argue since you've been proven wrong multiple times.

You should make like a good little boy and head outside while the adults engage in real discussion.

JPSLotus said:

Finally, I've been waiting for your red herring since you have nothing else left to argue since you've been proven wrong multiple times.

You should make like a good little boy and head outside while the adults engage in real discussion.

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You haven't proven anyone wrong, but I do feel we're on the same page. You agree that Stoner would not have been able to handle Marquez. Stoner chose to exit the sport at exactly the right time, otherwise the way he'd be remembered would be drastically different. Marquez would've taken it to him like nothing he had ever experienced.

moto vudu said:

You haven't proven anyone wrong, but I do feel we're on the same page. You agree that Stoner would not have been able to handle Marquez. Stoner chose to exit the sport at exactly the right time, otherwise the way he'd be remembered would be drastically different. Marquez would've taken it to him like nothing he had ever experienced.

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I never said anything about agreeing or disagreeing.

You've reached Daniboy levels of stupidity right now.

Frankly this contention of yours is you trying to win points on something since you were already proven wrong about longevity being a sign of greatness. It's not.

Shut the .... up and take your beating like a man.

michaelm said:

Your post referred to Rossi- (rather than Yamaha-) induced schizophrenia, and you fairly clearly are unfamiliar with what characterises that psychiatric condition in any case, hence you were probably unwise to bandy it about.

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So because I cheer for riders on Yamaha (any rider on yamaha), that someone precludes me from mentioning the names of specific riders, on a MotoGP forum? Haha, that makes absolutely zero sense, good work pal !

As far as the joke, you clearly lack a sense of humor so I'm not sure how to respond. But since you mention it, severe cases are characterized by the person seeing or hearing things that are not real. After reading many of the anti-Rossi posts, I see no fault in my medical diagnosis.

moto vudu said:

He quit. He quit on himself and hit quit on his fans. He robbed you of a chance to get to see him compete against Marquez. Now all you have left is to make excuses for him. Can't be one of the great ones without longevity. Rossi still adding chapters to his story, even if you hate him you can't get deny that he still tests his skills vs the best in the world. Stoner is irrelevant, he is a brand ambassador for Ducati. Maybe they'll put him in a commercial for the Panigale, but perhaps he's not even relevant or marketable enough for that.

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Oh please. Give it a ....... rest. This lame line of reasoning was trotted out endless times when Stoner retired and it's so transparently empty as a retort. Stoner finished out his contract after achieving his goals (Not yours). Stoner doesn't exist to make his fans happy, anymore than Rossi does. It's only that boppers delude themselves that Rossi came into this world to be adored by his minions and that he in turn bestows upon them beneficence and grace; that Rossi is every fan's best friend and that he looks down upon you every night before bedtime and thinks good thoughts about each and every one of you before he turns off the light. He doesn't even know you exist and couldn't care less if you lived or died. Rossi cares about one thing only; Rossi.

And the idea that longevity is necessary ingredient for relevance, is a bopper invented meme. Schwantz only won one championship and he's still revered by every racer who knows the name. Same goes for Barry Sheene.

Boppers always confuse quantity for quality. A common mistake. You all know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

"I try to restart but unfortunately the guys don't help me a lot!" VR



Oh, this should be good. Rossi blaming the hard working volunteer marshals at the track. It's their fault he crashed and didn't score points. They're toying with his championship. I'm sure Rossi fans will call him a moaning whiner, because Rossi fans are not the double standard type. (See Jerez 11).

JPSLotus said:

I never said anything about agreeing or disagreeing.

You've reached Daniboy levels of stupidity right now.

Frankly this contention of yours is you trying to win points on something since you were already proven wrong about longevity being a sign of greatness. It's not.

Shut the .... up and take your beating like a man.

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You tried to refute longevity being required by using a racer that only left the sport because he was paralyzed. Rainey would have continued racing if he didn't get injured. Even Spies, with a body that was completely failing him, struggled to come to grips with the situation and make that decision to hang it up.

Stoner stands alone, he exited the sport prematurely. But he isn't stupid, he knew who was joining the premier class.

Keshav said:

Oh please. Give it a ....... rest. This lame line of reasoning was trotted out endless times when Stoner retired and it's so transparently empty as a retort. Stoner finished out his contract after achieving his goals (Not yours). Stoner doesn't exist to make his fans happy, anymore than Rossi does. It's only that boppers delude themselves that Rossi came into this world to be adored by his minions and that he in turn bestows upon them beneficence and grace; that Rossi is every fan's best friend and that he looks down upon you every night before bedtime and thinks good thoughts about each and every one of you before he turns off the light. He doesn't even know you exist and couldn't care less if you lived or died. Rossi cares about one thing only; Rossi.

And the idea that longevity is necessary ingredient for relevance, is a bopper invented meme. Schwantz only won one championship and he's still revered by every racer who knows the name. Same goes for Barry Sheene.

Boppers always confuse quantity for quality. A common mistake. You all know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

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I'm having an A to B conversation with JPS. C your way out.

moto vudu said:

You tried to refute longevity being required by using a racer that only left the sport because he was paralyzed. Rainey would have continued racing if he didn't get injured. Even Spies, with a body that was completely failing him, struggled to come to grips with the situation and make that decision to hang it up.

Stoner stands alone, he exited the sport prematurely. But he isn't stupid, he knew who was joining the premier class.

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King Kenny only rode for 6 seasons in 500cc.

No one disputes how great he was.

Again longevity is not a requisite to greatness in motorcycle racing.

Shut the .... up.

Keshav said:

I was watching full race coverage with no commercials and their were no interviews with riders during the brief lull between the red flag and the restart. I'll assume you were watching Sky TV or something like that - and even so, there's no way in such a short time while riders were taking fluids and discussing set-up and tire options for leg two, that they got access to every single garage and interviewed every single rider from the grid to get a 100% unanimous agreement from all the riders.

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No they didn't but Scott, Eugene and Danilo were all interviewed on bt sport and all 3 said it was not safe to continue, as two of those were in podium positions I think it is safe to assume the rest were in agreement.

JPSLotus said:

King Kenny only rode for 6 seasons in 500cc.

No one disputes how great he was.

Again longevity is not a requisite to greatness in motorcycle racing.

Shut the .... up.

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If Marquez quit after this season, where would you rank him? Above Stoner? Below Stoner but above Rossi?

moto vudu said:

If Marquez quit after this season, where would you rank him? Above Stoner? Below Stoner but above Rossi?

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Again, stop trying to steer the conversation somewhere that would allow you to try and claim you won an argument. I'm not playing your ........ games.

JPSLotus said:

Again, stop trying to steer the conversation somewhere that would allow you to try and claim you won an argument. I'm not playing your ........ games.

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You're not playing the game because you see exactly where it ends. Stoner can be called great, but he isn't ranked above anyone that achieved more titles and competed at the top longer than he did.

Jumkie said:

"I try to restart but unfortunately the guys don't help me a lot!" VR

Oh, this should be good. Rossi blaming the hard working volunteer marshals at the track. It's their fault he crashed and didn't score points. They're toying with his championship. I'm sure Rossi fans will call him a moaning whiner, because Rossi fans are not the double standard type. (See Jerez 11).

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Here is what he said with the full picture and not the 'theorist' version.

The bike switched off. It has a safety system to prevent the engine from being ruined. Then the race marshals didn’t help me, but I was in a bit of a dangerous spot and they were right. In any case, it wouldn’t have changed much. I would have finished with very few points.

moto vudu said:

JPS,

Marquez would've broken Stoner for good if he didn't quit. Seriously, Stoner wouldn't even show his face back at the paddock once Marquez got through with him. Stoner never liked close racing and having to battle it out, Marquez would've drove him mad and sent him packing to never be seen again.

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Stoner never liked close racing? Really? Did you ever see him in his 250 days? Ever watch him trade paint with Rossi at PI? I mean really... what the .... planet are you on?

You sure are certain when it comes to fantasies that cannot be proven or disproven. Tell me, who would have won in a duel at the OK Corral; Dracula or Jesus? Please regale us with your expert analysis.

moto vudu said:

You're not playing the game because you see exactly where it ends. Stoner can be called great, but he isn't ranked above anyone that achieved more titles and competed at the top longer than he did.

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You're an ..... as I have already stated multiple times. Staking out a position and then when I refuse to bite, you are claiming victory by saying I know "exactly where it ends" as a way of attempting to infer that would be my position.

This is more commonly known as the straw man.

Your original ........ claim about longevity was disproven, so like a good Rossi bopper, you went searching for something else by directing the conversation to Stoner so you could attempt to claim you somehow maintained the upper hand in all of this. So you came up with another ........ claim as evidenced with your one-sided "argument" where I didn't bite, but you kept pretending like you were having an argument with me which you weren't.

"I try to restart but unfortunately the guys don't help me a lot!" VR

Was Rossi miss quoted?

http://m.crash.net/motogp/news/231677/1/valentino-rossi-a-stupid-mistake.html#SqQSU4lI4wV6WKtu.99

Jumkie said:

"I try to restart but unfortunately the guys don't help me a lot!" VR

Was Rossi miss quoted?

MotoGP Netherlands: Valentino Rossi: ?A stupid mistake? | MotoGP 0

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I guess he spoke to a few different journo's hence the slight difference in quotes.

moto vudu said:

Stoner stands alone, he exited the sport prematurely.

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No he doesn't...Eddie Lawson and Freddie Spencer both left the sport of their own volition for differing reasons. In fact there are several riders that also spring to mind who in spite of their undeniable talent walked out of the paddock amid a range of personal circumstances and in some cases to confront inner demons. It doesn't necessarily make them weak, perhaps it was the braver or harder option - but the right thing to do. Infinitely sadder are those riders in the past that have circulated season after season depriving younger struggling riders of seats, on the basis of their passport, sponsor and in the interest of their pension pot.

Could you all take the tiresome Rossi/Stoner ..... elsewhere - preferably a PM war? - or start another thread, I'll willingly contribute myself although it's been done to death on both sides. I'm just as prone to derail threads, but this is the race thread - and this weekend offered much to talk about.

The flagging of the race was terrible timing, but with Marquez and Crutchlow closing and visibility almost zero, given the standing water it was heading for catastrophe. Amazing though when Redding found two seconds in one lap on the leaders. Bewildered as to why, prior to this, Hernandez was allowed out on his second bike on the same tyre. Should have called it a day after the flag but awarded full not half points.

Barry, in respect of your question as to whether Ducati manufacture Jet Skis...the answer is yes, the GP14.2

Daniboy said:

I guess he spoke to a few different journo's hence the slight difference in quotes.

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Or he realized what a .... he sounded like blaming the marshals for losing points, and back pedaled walking back his take, so as not to tarnish his Yellow shiny glow.

The thing is they did help him. So he's blaming them for something he dreamed up in his mind. Wouldn't be the first time that's happened.